expert007
join:2006-01-10
Buffalo, NY | Fios or Fois
"fiber optic internet speeds"
That's one hell of a sleazy way to advertise. |
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questionable
join:2005-10-18
Phoenix, AZ | DOCSIS 3.0???
Please, I doubt Cox will deploy that in Phoenix why should they? Most areas get a max of 7 anyways and even that is pushing it more like 3-5. |
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freeze
Magic Murder Bag
Premium
join:2001-05-13
Columbus, OH
 ·RoadRunner Cable
|  reply to expert007
Re: Fios or Fois
said by expert007  :"fiber optic internet speeds" That's one hell of a sleazy way to advertise. That's clever. More than I care to admit. |
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WiseOldNerd
De gustibus non est disputandum
Premium
join:2001-11-25
Phoenix, AZ
·Cox HSI
 ·Qwest.net
·Charter Pipeline
1 edit | Incompetence Executives Spout BS
Qwest senior management are arrogant, incompetent buffoons hiding away in their sumptuous offices in Denver without a clue as to what is happening in the rest of their so called customer area. I would not own Qwest stock if they gave it to me and when I can pry the copper connected phone from my spouses hand they are gone. Enough bullsh*t Qwest get off the pot and rebuild your cruddy infrastructure with all the stolen USF funds.
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO
| IF web browsing is all you do on the net
IF web browsing is all you do on the net, then he is probably right. There is very little difference between 10Mbps and 100Mbps when you are browsing "normal" web pages (yes I have used both). There is just not enough data being transferred on a typical web page to see the difference. 10Mbps is 1.25MBs and 100Mbps is 12.5MBps, so if you are transferring less than 5MB(?) most people will not see any difference.
Now move up to 400MB(or larger) files, then you are talking five minutes versus 30 seconds. That people will notice. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | reply to expert007
Re: Fios or Fois
ATT advertises it that way. So why not Qwest? ATT uses:
Fiber Optic Internet and Speeds, Fiber Optic TV and Fiber Optic phone service. and they're using DSL. |
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tubbynet
reminds me of the danse russe
Premium
join:2008-01-16
Chandler, AZ
·Cox HSI
 ·Callcentric
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·FrontierNet Intern..
| reply to questionable
Re: DOCSIS 3.0???
i've heard rumours that cox will be deploying d3 to the phoenix area, but only in 28/2 (maybe 2.5) speed tiers. there is no need for them to ramp up and do the 50meg plan in phoenix, so we're going to stay lacking. there is no need to push high speeds, why do it? |
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Hpower
Roflmao
join:2000-06-08
Glendale, CA
·Charter Pipeline
2 edits | Fail
lol @ 896kbps upload "fiber optic internet speeds" Common, get with the news today. I gave up on ADSL long time ago. Cable is just dominating the broadband world now with docsis 3.0. ADSL = dead.
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
·Comcast
·Qwest.net
·magicjack.com
·BeeCreek Communica..
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| reply to hottboiinnc
Re: Fios or Fois
True, but AT&T's fiber is less than a mile from your home (less than 3k feet in most cases). Qwest's is 6k feet or more.
No, I'm not standing up for AT&T. They're not fiber optic either. It's just that fiber is closer to the home with them than with Qwest. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | reply to tubbynet
Re: DOCSIS 3.0???
$140 for a 50/5 tier, what's why. If they can offer 50 Mbps speeds they don't have to do ANYTHING to their network until Qwest gets bought by someone else, and they can rake in the customers who want 5 Mbps uploads. |
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Vesentac
join:2002-05-10
Chantilly, VA | Iceberg hit!
The real problem is Qwest has no money to do the infrastructure changes they need to compete. I say 1-2 more years before they go bankrupt in the current state of the economy. |
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Omega
Displaced Ohioan
Premium
join:2002-07-30
Cheyenne, WY
clubs: 
·Bresnan Online
·Verizon Wireless B..
·Comcast
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to Hpower
Re: Fail
When I first moved to Cheyenne, which is serviced by Quester, I went to one of their Kiosks at the mall. I asked how fast of speed I could get with them. They replied with 1.5mbps. I literally laughed at them and said "that's it?"
Meanwhile the cable provider here offers 8mbit and 16mbit packages. |
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rcdailey
Dragoonfly
Premium
join:2005-03-29
Rialto, CA
| reply to Vesentac
Re: Iceberg hit!
said by Vesentac :The real problem is Qwest has no money to do the infrastructure changes they need to compete. I say 1-2 more years before they go bankrupt in the current state of the economy. Since Qwest was already in trouble before the meltdown in the mortgage, insurance, and banking sectors, how does this really change anything? Laws require some sort of phone service to the rural areas, but it doesn't have to be modern. I remember party lines. Everyone on the line could listen in. There were different rings for each customer. We have that now, with distinctive ringing, but it was more fun when the phone had a crank on the side to turn a magneto and generate a ring. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
·Comcast
·Qwest.net
·magicjack.com
·BeeCreek Communica..
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| Qwest = joke
In Golden, CO (mere minutes from Denver) there's no ADSL2+. Some people get 7 Mbps, some get 5 Mbps, some get 3, some get 1.5. 896k up. Subtract 15% for ATM overhead and you've got real speeds...during nonpeak hours. The twon is full of college students so if Qwest rolled out decent-speed internet people would buy it, instead of using Comcast. As it stands, nearly everyone uses Comcast.
Note to Qwest: the people who are willing to pay you more per month for internet access CAN tell the difference between 716k (896k * .85) and 2M upload speeds. They can also tell the difference between "7 Mbit" and true 8 Mbit service from Comcast. Heck, they'll even pay more for the 8 Mbit service because it has 2 Mit upload speeds.
Problem is, in order to upgrade upload speeds beyond 1 Mbps, Qwest has to switch to VDSL or fiber. They ditched VDSL just a bit ago, and they certainly aren't going to go to fiber. So looks like they're screwed, especially since their DSL pricing is pretty darned high when you're not getting full 7-meg speeds. |
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| Paying the price of incumbency....
Years and years ago, Qworst joined most ILECs in choosing ADSL, because it gave them a "broadband" offering that they believed would not cannibalize their "Hi-Cap Private Line" business (as those Neanderthals called DS-1 & DS-3 at the time.)
This merely became a text book example of the aphorism that "If you don't eat your own lunch, someone else will." The ILECs now see competition for symmetric broadband, but it's not their own offering--it's competition from others.
Enjoy your bed, Qworst. You made it.
calvoiper
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kdwycha
join:2003-01-30
Riverview, FL | hah...fiber optic internet speeds :P
*Fiber optics exists from the Neighborhood Terminal to the Internet. Higher speeds not available in all areas.
...love the fine print but there is no * after "Fiber Optic Internet Speeds" |
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CCTVTech
Premium
join:2003-04-23
Phoenix, AZ
clubs:
·Integra Telecom
·Cox HSI
·Qwest.net
 ·GoDaddy Hosting
| Signs
When they are working in the neighborhoods here in Phoenix they are putting out A-frame signs behind the trucks saying fiber optic broadband coming to your area soon or something like that. 
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dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
| reply to iansltx
Re: Fios or Fois
said by iansltx :True, but AT&T's fiber is less than a mile from your home (less than 3k feet in most cases). Qwest's is 6k feet or more. No, I'm not standing up for AT&T. They're not fiber optic either. It's just that fiber is closer to the home with them than with Qwest. Uhh... wouldn't that depend on the home and location of the particular node? I doubt that AT&T has a FTTN node within 3kft of every home any more than Qwest does. Certainly there are going to be quite a few homes within 3kft or 6kft to a Qwest FTTN DSLAM- they don't go and intentionally locate them at least 6kft from the nearest potential customer.
Besides, the difference between 3kft and 6kft isn't very significant until you're looking at speeds around 18M. At 10-12M, 6kft would be plenty close. |
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dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
| reply to iansltx
Re: Qwest = joke
said by iansltx :Problem is, in order to upgrade upload speeds beyond 1 Mbps, Qwest has to switch to VDSL or fiber. They ditched VDSL just a bit ago, and they certainly aren't going to go to fiber. They've been working on VDSL2 for some time now, with hints that it'll be ready for deployment in the near future. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
·Comcast
·Qwest.net
·magicjack.com
·BeeCreek Communica..
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| reply to dynodb
Re: Fios or Fois
It's not the download that I'm focused on, its the upload. ADSL2+ tops out at 1Mbps. AT&T profiles customers at 25/2 for their VDSL product, and broadband packages are up to 1.5 Mbps on the upload side.
As for the Qwest side of things, you are correct that there are plenty of homes within 3k feet of a DSLAM. However with AT&T VDSL MOST homes are under 3k feet away due to the technological limits of VDSL. There are a few homes at 5k feet, but on average people are much closer to an AT&T U-Verse fridge than to Qwest's FTTN equipment.
Again, upload is my big deal and cable's too...unless you're comparing cable with fiber. VDSL gets better upload speeds than ADSL2+ and that's what Qwest is lacking even in their "next generation" areas. At 20 Mbps, they're right in saying that download is "just fine" for most people...provided Qwest actually provisioned their systems to deliver advertised speeds. |
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