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Comments on news posted 2009-05-29 17:20:38: In a filing, (pdf) the DOJ Solicitor General on Friday urged the Supreme Court not to hear a case in which the entertainment industry has sued Cablevision for use of a network DVR (or RS-DVR). ..



mod_wastrel
iamwhatiam

join:2008-03-28
kudos:1

Wow...

"Common sense would dictate that a recording is a recording, whether made on a set-top box or in a cable head-end,"

...or a DVD or a hard drive? ...sounds almost like "fair use", huh?


mwf

join:2000-11-26
Granite Quarry, NC

Love by TIVO

I'll watch the commercials, as long as I can choose when I watch the show.



SHABAZZ

join:2008-07-13
Seattle, WA

1 recommendation

Not me, I want my recordings commercial free!


bgraham

join:2001-03-15
Smithtown, NY
Reviews:
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I think it depends,

I think it's my right to record TV on my DVR and play it back for myself no matter where the actual bits and bytes are and if I choose to rent a DVR from Cablevision or buy my own then thats nothing to do with the TV companies.

But now, if Cablevision makes money by charging me for the recordings that I make if I use their head end system, then I can see where the TV companies have an argument.


fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3
reply to mod_wastrel

Re: Wow...

I think the content owners are idiots in this case. The network DVR isn't necessarily a bad thing.. and, I'm glad there is, right now, no need for Cablevision to work with the providers or we'd have SOOOO many restrictions on the content, it's not even funny.

The bottom line is the content providers (CPs) are not being violated. It's not like Cablevision is recording the content and re-distributing it on a wide basis. The end user has to have selected to record it before the show starts as with the DVR today. They are not making this content available OnDemand.. it's one to one content recording/capture. The providers are, once again, grasping for straws like they did with the Beta, the VHS, Laser Disc, and DVD.

The ONLY thing I don't like about the network DVR is I'm afraid the quality of the recording and the latency of the system will be horrible. On the plus side, if the power goes out, the show still records.. since it's "network based" instead of box based, there's no more watching your programs walk out the door if a box goes bad, and maybe the EAS alert issue goes away too. Also, it SHOULD cut back on the cost of having to have multiple DVRs in the house saving money.

I'm not too worried, either, as with the new boxes from 3rd parties on the horizon, there will still be an option of network based, and box based DVRs.



SLD
Premium
join:2002-04-17
San Francisco, CA
reply to mwf

Re: Love by TIVO

Commercials = someone else watching.



calvoiper

join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA

What about duplication?

Curious--does the box at the head-end actually store multiple copies of the same content for multiple users? If it "combines" those versions, there might be a different legal interpretation than if it actually segments out each users separate copy....

calvoiper
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RARPSL

join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
reply to bgraham

Re: I think it depends,

said by bgraham:

But now, if Cablevision makes money by charging me for the recordings that I make if I use their head end system, then I can see where the TV companies have an argument.
The fee they are going to charge is the same as the STB DVR Rental fee so they are actually charging for it just like the STB DVR which is apparently acceptable to the Media Mafia Types. I see nothing that makes them charging for the service unacceptable since, as I note, they are charging now for my doing it with their STB DVR.

The only money they make vs. the STB DVR is the savings for not purchasing the STB DVR. The savings from the lack of the STB are offset to some extent by the cost of purchasing the Drives to store the shows (including the extra space due to the need to record multiple copies to make the Media Types Happy in lieu of only one copy and feeding it on demand as is done with VOD shows) and the equipment to run the system. Given the cost of the STB, I expect that this system would


dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4
reply to SLD

Re: Love by TIVO

said by SLD:

Commercials = someone else watching.
like the ones tivo records for you without your permission[infomercials]
theres also ads on tivo now.
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Uncle Paul

join:2003-02-04
USA
kudos:1

Any time I've ever ventured down into the TIVO suggested recordings, I've never seen an infomercial.

There are banner ads on the menu screens (Just like Comcast).


disc

join:2005-12-31
Raleigh, NC

wonder why the DOJ even cares

Is this a matter of public policy? Or do the cablecos have well-placed friends.


33358088
Premium
join:2008-09-23
kudos:2

1 recommendation

I want my vcr days back and all the nonsense to end

I want my vcr days back and all the nonsense to end.
thinka bout it they are changing hte rules JUST BECAUSE OF NEW TECH they MISSED IT LAST TIME BUT NOT NOW
well SCREW THEM



l2jn4 ljalkd

@swbell.net
reply to calvoiper

Re: What about duplication?

said by calvoiper:

Curious--does the box at the head-end actually store multiple copies of the same content for multiple users? If it "combines" those versions, there might be a different legal interpretation than if it actually segments out each users separate copy....

calvoiper
The Cablevision ruling requires an individual copy for each subscriber. This solution isn't going to be any cheaper than putting DVR in each house, but is easier to manage and add as a service to exisitng subscribers.


randomanomnum543

@charter.com
reply to RARPSL

Re: I think it depends,

They will also save boatloads of cash on the shipping of said boxes to and from the factory because of the abnormally high failure rate of the DVR boxes. Not to mention the prices of receiving phone calls for when the boxes go bad, the cost of sending out a tech.. etc.


Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to calvoiper

Re: What about duplication?

I dont know too much about the infrastructure of the cable system, but if the Head End serves an area and the ads for that area would be the same regardless, I think it should be allowed to be recorded 1 time.


floydb1982

join:2004-08-25
Kent, WA

What difference does it make

What difference does it make weather you are able to use a DVR top box on your TV recording your favorite show or recording the same only at the cable's end? It doesn't matter which way you go either way you're still going to be able to block out those annoying TV ads.



jtudor
Xm 60's On 6 Freak
Premium,MVM
join:2002-12-07
Morganton, NC

Set Top Box?

How does it totally eliminate the set top box? You still have to have some sort of box for live viewing and to control the "network" DVR don't you? Perhaps it's a smaller box but it's still an STB.
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DGLewis

join:2006-03-10
Freehold, NJ
reply to l2jn4 ljalkd

Re: What about duplication?

A honkin' big RAID server farm has a significantly lower cost per bit for storage than does a million individual DVR set-top boxes.

Plus, you can sell a customer DVR without having to ship them a new box, and as others have pointed out, all the maintenance and repair is centralized at the headend, dramatically lowering OpEx.

They can also upsell additional storage space, getting the revenue that's currently going to E-SATA disk manufacturers (and growing the market, because even something as simple as buying an E-SATA disk and plugging it into the back of the STB isn't as simple as having a pop-up on the screen that says, "Your storage space is 90% full. Please delete some recordings, or press to purchase additional storage space.")



JoeOnSunset
Doublethink Is Doubleplus Ungood.
Premium
join:2002-11-25
Ormond Beach, FL

Yeah but can't they just use a file system that is intelligent enough to write exactly duplicated data only once, and store a pointer record so that it appears as 500 copies of the same file? I've read a couple articles about file systems doing this now.

As long as that is handled on low enough a level, I imagine they could get away with it.



Jim Kirk
Premium
join:2005-12-09

Why would they even bother? I'm sure they could just record everything 24/7. No need for duplicate anything.


hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
reply to 33358088

Re: I want my vcr days back and all the nonsense to end

You can have your VCR and use that. Just make sure you can find the tapes for them.