sirwoogie
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...we can believe in. |
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pnh102
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Private industries that can provide assist the government in national security matters need some kind of cover from lawsuits or else they won't be bothered to cooperate with the government when their help is needed.
Has the EFF or anyone actually proved that our rights were abused or are they still just blowing smoke?
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Matt
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Re: Change
said by sirwoogie  :...we can believe in. Oh, never seen that one before. You're clever! 
While this pisses me off to no end, if you thought every single thing in Washington was going to change, you (not you specifically) are a fool. A lot has changed and a lot already is changing, but unfortunately this didn't and I hope the EFF is able to win this battle.
Psst, the judge who dismissed it was appointed by Bushie the 1st: »www.fjc.gov/servlet/tGetInfo?jid=2483 |
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expert007
join:2006-01-10
Buffalo, NY | Yeah, I'm not happy about this one (understatement), but I'm looking at the bigger picture. Which is undoubtedly changing for the better. I haven't taken an in-depth look at these cases yet, but I really believe that this was just plain wrong. |
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TKJunkMail
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said by pnh102 :Private industries that can provide assist the government in national security matters need some kind of cover from lawsuits or else they won't be bothered to cooperate with the government when their help is needed. No harm was done to any US citizens. The EFF & ACLU are on a witch hunt and are just looking to punish monetarily AT&T & Verizon in order to earn fees for their organizations. Call it the "Full employment for class action lawyers" lawsuit.
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cafields
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no ones, as you say, blowing smoke. I decided not to vote for obama, after hillary dropped out, then obama voted to give full immunity to the telecoms for illegal wiretapping, before that at two or more of his BS speeches, he said he would never give immunity to the telecoms for illegal wiretapping. |
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IanR
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1 edit | Let me understand the legal ruling here.
Seemingly it's OK to break the law so long as it's in national security interest.
Surely that's an oxymoron?
So in this court's mind who has the authority to decide whether it's in the national security interests? Since this ruling has now allowed the bypassing of Federal Judges, who could/should have been asked for warrants. So that legal authority has now been assumed by some faceless entity?
What legal nonsense is this? A Judge has ruled that Federal Judges are an inappropriate authority to make quick rulings on warrants!!!!! |
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woody7
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Name change, but still the same 
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mlundin
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said by TKJunkMail :No harm was done to any US citizens. BULLSHIT. Harm is done to EVERY US citizen EVERY time a right is violated. How many rights are you willing to give away before you don't have any left? My answer is none, and so I have been harmed. |
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major marco
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Re: Let me understand the legal ruling here.
said by IanR :Seemingly it's OK to break the law so long as it's in national security interest. Let me break it down for you. Telecom immunity = Certain persons, including the non-carbon kind that are incorporated in the Caymans so they don't have to pay U.S. taxes - are above the law.
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jester121
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Re: Change
said by Matt : A lot has changed and a lot already is changing Other than even more government spending and waste, I haven't seen much change. |
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lordofwhee
join:2007-10-21
Everett, WA | reply to IanR
Re: Let me understand the legal ruling here.
Remember, when the .gov does it, it's not illegal.
I guess we just elected Richard Nixon three times in a row... |
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MTU
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Face it, big-brother has been listening and recording everything for decades. Unfortunately, the agencies (NSA, FBI, CIA) have not shared info until post disaster. The inevitable 'next attack' no doubt influences recent decisions. Politicians fear the 'blame' game and thus, continue ignoring and bending the law. Our intelligence agencies depend on listening-in to all communications as assets on-the-ground have limited success with the bad-guy's organizations, and are expensive. Thus, the vacuum-cleaner approach. What's really bad is that this 'casualness' to following the law and constitution is becoming SOP. |
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pnh102
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said by mlundin : Harm is done to EVERY US citizen EVERY time a right is violated. How has harm been done to you personally?
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nasadude
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| said by pnh102 :How has harm been done to you personally? are you actually curious about how he was personally harmed, or do you just not care about the constitution? |
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Matt
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Re: Change
said by jester121 :said by Matt : A lot has changed and a lot already is changing Other than even more government spending and waste, I haven't seen much change. You see what you want to see. If you don't want to see any, you won't. If you look at the educational, scientific, economic, and worldwide perception changes that have taken place already, you might have a different perspective. |
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said by pnh102 :Has the EFF or anyone actually proved that our rights were abused or are they still just blowing smoke? Congress voted for telecom immunity BECAUSE IT HAPPENED. There would be no need for telecom immunity if EFF just made it up.
EFF is 100% right here. The US Gov't exceeded its rights under the Constitution, infringing on the rights of the people guaranteed in the Constitution. To provide immunity, the government can't simply make unconstitutional law and call it "good," it has to change the constitution itself.
Was I harmed individually? No, but since when is that a criteria? We The People were harmed, collectively, by a government which exceeded its bounds.
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lesopp
join:2001-06-27
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Would that apply to the rights of 401k holders whose 401k's included bonds with GM & Chrysler? Savings and investment plans further decimated by Obama contrary to standing US law, essentially denying due process and equal protection to the evil investors in order to payback the UAW.
Clearly a violation of their due process and equal protection rights.
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Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. |
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Noah Vail
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Re: Change
said by expert007 :Yeah, I'm not happy about this one (understatement), but I'm looking at the bigger picture. Translated:I'm not going to make the same stink over it that I would if it were Bush we're talking about.
The severity of the crime depends on who's committing it, after all.
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en102
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Valencia, CA | reply to Matt
Things have changed.. some for the better, some for the worse. |
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