sanantonio
@rr.com | haha
uverse is a joke. at&t thinks they are saving but will pay in the long run (eventually deploying ftth and losing customers to competition)
at least verizon is doing it right. |
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brianiscool
join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL |  heh
I am happy with my cable internet. When U-verse comes here I will probably be on my cable providers 50Mbs plan. |
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tthnow
join:2006-06-07
Oakland, CA | ATT is a joke. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | They can't slow to much
whne they got the statewide franchising passed in my state they agrred to a deal to deploy uverse to a set amount of homes within a specific period of time. I expect them to keep their end of the deal. |
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Neyland
join:2003-02-04
USA
| said by BF69  :whne they got the statewide franchising passed in my state they agrred to a deal to deploy uverse to a set amount of homes within a specific period of time. I expect them to keep their end of the deal. Didn't I read somewhere that ATT had made deals with states many years ago to deploy fiber to the home in this huge broadband expansion... |
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Mike_
join:2003-06-24
Fort Lauderdale, FL
| reply to BF69
I'm glad it didn't slow them here in S. Florida. Official launch still set for July twenty something I believe. They just finished installing Cross box and Vrads here along with the power to it.
Reason being is I still plan to try it out and compare (to Comcast) and even if it's not as good, at least it will bring actual competition to possibly of course benefit consumers via price.
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If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Unless you know what you're doing. |
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pfschim
join:2001-08-30
Livermore, CA
| UVerse works fine for me
I know that these boards can get to be almost like equivalent of religious discussions (arguments), but really, I have had the UVerse triple play for 6 months now (U450, Max18 and one Voice line) and other than a few initial issues, I am a happy camper.
We are in the range of 1500-2500 ft from the POP and get 17/1.4 internet, clean HD video signal (one set) and the voice works fine (usual VoIP kind of service).
I know that other providers, particularly cable and FTTH based providers are rolling out 25, 50 and even 100meg internet services, but honestly, other than torrents and a few very narrowly used high bandwidth things, I'm not really sure that all this local bandwidth really matters much.
I went from 6/1 DSL to Max18 with the speeds listed above, and frankly didn't get any amazing improvement in my actual user experience of the web. In other words, it was fine at 6/1 and its fine at 18/1.4.
anyway, just my 2 cents |
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truckjrt
@wamltd.com | ATT
With the rumors that ATT might buy DirecTV what will happen to U-verse if they do that? Will they just pipe in Directv programming over U-Verse? Abandon U-Verse altogether? |
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Time
Premium
join:2003-07-05 | reply to tthnow
Re: heh
said by tthnow :ATT is a joke. I'll gladly trade you Embarq for AT&T. |
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gigahurtz
Premium
join:2001-10-20
Palm Coast, FL
clubs:
 ·Earthlink Cable Mo..
 ·VoicePulse
| reply to pfschim
Re: UVerse works fine for me
said by pfschim :I know that these boards can get to be almost like equivalent of religious discussions (arguments), but really, I have had the UVerse triple play for 6 months now (U450, Max18 and one Voice line) and other than a few initial issues, I am a happy camper. We are in the range of 1500-2500 ft from the POP and get 17/1.4 internet, clean HD video signal (one set) and the voice works fine (usual VoIP kind of service). I know that other providers, particularly cable and FTTH based providers are rolling out 25, 50 and even 100meg internet services, but honestly, other than torrents and a few very narrowly used high bandwidth things, I'm not really sure that all this local bandwidth really matters much. I went from 6/1 DSL to Max18 with the speeds listed above, and frankly didn't get any amazing improvement in my actual user experience of the web. In other words, it was fine at 6/1 and its fine at 18/1.4. anyway, just my 2 cents Interesting. I'm hoping for U-Verse in my area by August.
Why not downgrade from the 18/1.5 package since you really aren't noticing a difference? |
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pfschim
join:2001-08-30
Livermore, CA
| good question, actually been thinking about doing just that.
But, the original justification of going with UVerse was that the total bill for the triple play was less than the combined bills for the three other services (AT&T DSL, Comcast Voice, Dish Network for TV) that it replaced.
Amazingly, it worked out just as it was supposed to. I now pay 80% of what I used to pay for these services and, arguably get more from at least two of the services (internet and TV).
If I wanted to save some money by dropping the internet speeds to 10/1, I could, and would probably be just as happy with the overall web experience I get. I may wait until my youngest is out of the house though, he is a non-trivial user of the web in particular  |
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defduane
join:2005-11-13 | At&t vdsl
So what is at&t going to do in 2 years when they can't compete. Go back and install an fttp network? Seems like they shouldn't put too much effort into vdsl solution. |
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Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
Premium
join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
| reply to sanantonio
Re: haha
I'd rather have U-Verse 12M/1.5M Max tier and the U200 package than Time Warner any day. More channels for a lower price and a much more reliable Internet connection.
At least from what my experience has been with both companies.
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"The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot)
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nishiko
@comcast.net
|  I've been waiting for months...
I live in Pleasant Hill, CA, and finally, after about 3 months from when the actual VRAD was initially placed, I finally found out yesterday it was finally available. I've been checking it every week. I was so excited yesterday. I ordered the service today.
I've been pretty happy with Comcast... some issues here and there, but overall pretty good. Where they really fall down is in their TV and DVR pricing compared to UVerse, and that is the only big thing that made me switch. Hopefully they get more competitive in the TV space, and then UVerse will have little to nothing on them. |
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jester121
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Don't forget your neighborhood union...
With a strike looming T probably doesn't want to start digging holes in neighborhoods? |
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jkeelsnc
join:2008-08-22
Boone, NC
| Uverse, etc
It seems to be that U-verse is a reasonable compromise. Considering that much of AT&T's territory would require them to bury fiber if they tried to push fiber beyond main access streets into subdivisions it occured to me the other day that building a VRAD to within roughly 1/2 mile of their customers makes sense. In the last 30+ years it has been popular to bury utilities in new communities. The downside is that its very difficult and too expensive to upgrade the copper lines in such places. For now, I can see why U-verse is actually pretty brilliant given that they are able to offer 18mpbs internet, 2 HD streams, and voice service over the cheapest, thinnest, crappiest wires that were possible to use for phone service 30-50 years ago to begin with (ie, they were barely adequate for voice service).
Eventually, they will have to at least bring Fiber to the curb (on the street) so that VDSL would be able to deliver 100mpbs to virtually ever home. But given the difficulty of trenching people's yards and tearing up (expensive!) sidewalks in more recent subdivisions to run fiber I don't blame them for not running fiber that close right away.
I have 1.5mpbs and it is "adequate". I had 6mpbs from AT&T for a while and I rarely was ever able to use ALL of THAT bandwidth. Very few websites, servers, etc allow downloading faster than about 1.5mpbs anyway with the exception being some file downloads and perhaps P2P traffic. Although, some video can use at least 3mpbs down (though I had that for a while and it was adequate even for ABC's HD streams).
Sometimes, I think that people just want to do outdo each other for bragging rights. Such as comparing the engines in their cars or P$&!& size etc.
The cable companies have an advantage for sure. The only area where I wish I sometimes had much greater bandwidth is on the upstream. I'd gladly take 6mpbs if I had 2mpbs upstream vs having 15 mpbs and only having 1mpbs upstream.
Having said all this. I think that as AT&T sets up their VRAD's for new VDSL service that perhaps they should take their previous DSLAM equipment and move it further out into areas that do not have DSL available at all (such as rural areas). After all, that equipment was expensive and there are still many that would be glad to have regular ADSL in a suburban, exurban or even rural environment that cannot even get broadband service now. |
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cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
| reply to defduane
Re: At&t vdsl
well depends it all depends. i'd like to see FTTH being deployed over FTTN+VDSL. if FTTN+VDSL enables them to offer more speed, sooner, and to more people (and QUESTIONABLY cheaper), is FTTN+VDSL all that bad? even for consumers?
we won't really know if the FTTN deployment was a 'wise' decision not for a long time. conclusions drawn now are likely to be heavily biased. |
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kd6cae
P2p Shouldn't Be A Crime
join:2001-08-27
Lancaster, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
 ·DSL EXTREME
| Just curious how long...
Just curious how long it took to roll out the now very common ADSL and cable networks that are common today? I know for me I first got ADSL in August 2001, and here I still use the same ADSL technology 7 years later.
FIOS began deployment in I believe 2004, yet now FIOS is available in my city, but only to new developments, which is probably less than 1 percent of the city. There is a demand for faster broadband, especially upstream, so when will FIOS/Uverse be as common as ADSL is today? |
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heat84
join:2004-03-11
Fort Lauderdale, FL | reply to Mike_
Re: They can't slow to much
Where exactly do you live? I'm off University between Commercial and McNab. |
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esframe
@sbcglobal.net
| U450
I've had U verse (U450, 1.5 DSL, no VOIP) for 4 months, so far so good, however I’m 800 ft from the VRAD and in new 22 gauge, buried with the gas line, copper cable. It seems to me trying to compete with cable upgrades means pushing fiber and placing both vrad and x-box much closer to customers. This will be a problem since most vrad’s have been placed on an existing right of way where a x-box already existed. Closer boxes may have to be placed between homes exacting a big price for the easement. More of them and even closer for FTTC.
Directional boring of fiber limits some tearing up of yards, but not by much. Clearly, this is where VZ’s fios, as the article said, future proofs the broadband system, although does not pass as many customers as U-verse, in the same allotted time. |
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