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Chicago, IL | I've said it before... ...if there are two options, AT&T will always choose one that A) screws the customer and B) shoots itself in the foot. Always.
This company can't make a good decision to save it's life. Were it not for life support earned by lobbyists, it would and should have died long ago.
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join:2001-03-21
Smyrna, GA | Re: I've said it before... Anyone expected anything better from them? This is from a company that for years wouldn't give you DSL without a phone because they said it was "technically impossible".
The same company that is rolling out U-Verse to compete with FIOS and cable offerings. Where will U-Verse be in three years compared to all other offerings?
Seriously. ATT is just getting further and further behind the times. | |
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Mechanicsville, VA | Re: I've said it before... said by cahiatt:Anyone expected anything better from them? This is from a company that for years wouldn't give you DSL without a phone because they said it was "technically impossible". The same company that is rolling out U-Verse to compete with FIOS and cable offerings. Where will U-Verse be in three years compared to all other offerings? Seriously. ATT is just getting further and further behind the times. Can you supply some locations where AT&T and Verizon FIOS are in competition?? Last time I checked, there wasn't a single area where they both provided service. | |
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| The iPhone is cool and all (I have the first-gen) but AT&T would have to do a LOT to get me to switch over:
1) Reintroduce the old iPhone plans (200 messages, data for $20 per month)
2) Get 3G in my hometown
3) Fix their network for better reliability
Okay, maybe that isn't a TON of stuff but still more than AT&T will do before the next iPhone model comes out.
For now I'm sticking with my Touch pro on Sprint and my unlocked 8GB orginal iPhone on T-mobile, AT&T or maybe Five Star Wireless (local carrier). | |
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Although they DID get an exclusivity contract for the damn phone in the first place. Seems like a good decision to me. | |
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join:2000-05-11 | Re: I've said it before... Nobody else would take it. VZW told Apple to go pound sand. | |
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kudos:1 | No comment Just wanted to be the first whiny, crybaby on not getting to upgrade to the new iPhone without paying an arm and a leg! 
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join:2007-02-19
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| Re: No comment Gotta love the apparent $400 subsidy that AT&T is putting on the iPhone...oh wait, it's probably a $400 ripoff charge. You know that extra $10 they added onto the data plan? That translates into $240 over the course of a contract. There's your added subsidy.
I'll be out of my Spring contract soon. If Verizon gets the iphone (as seems somewhat likely at this point) then I'll probably pay top dollar for an unlocked one to put on Sprint. My plan is too good to go elsewhere  | |
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| Re: No comment said by iansltx:Gotta love the apparent $400 subsidy that AT&T is putting on the iPhone...oh wait, it's probably a $400 ripoff charge. You know that extra $10 they added onto the data plan? That translates into $240 over the course of a contract. There's your added subsidy. I'll be out of my Spring contract soon. If Verizon gets the iphone (as seems somewhat likely at this point) then I'll probably pay top dollar for an unlocked one to put on Sprint. My plan is too good to go elsewhere Since when can you put a Verizon phone on Sprint's network?
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join:2007-02-19
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kudos:2 | Re: No comment It's a lot easer than putting an AT&T phone on Sprint's network
Both are CDMA. Hackers *will* find a way. | |
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join:2000-05-11 | Re: No comment Good luck with that. The hardware does not support the frequencies Sprint uses. | |
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join:2007-02-19
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kudos:2 | Re: No comment That's why it'd need new hardware. Though I'm testing out a local carrier's GSM network and it's by far the best cellular service around. If they'd only get data working on my test SIM... | |
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join:2006-01-29
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kudos:7 | said by Gbcue:Since when can you put a Verizon phone on Sprint's network? Forever. Sprint and Verizon both use CDMA and there isn't any difference in their phones. The only difference is a carrier code programmed into the phone so a Sprint phone won't "roam" on a Verizon network, and visa versa. There are tools out there to change this programming code and make one work on the other's network. This was a big deal when the Treo came out on Verizon but Sprint lagged to introduce it on their network. People unlocked it and were using it on the Sprint network. Google "bitpim" and "QPST", that will get you started on how it's done. Not real easy, but doable. After a while, Sprint caught on and wouldn't let those phones on their network. Each carrier gets a list of serial numbers (IMEI) from the manufactures and put it in their system. Sometimes problems and/or mistakes happen, that's why some people were able to do it. | |
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
1 edit | I suspect that Verizon or any other US carrier won't get an iPhone until they deploy a new wireless chipset based on LTE.
Why?
Current chipset = GSM (850/900/1800/1900) + UMTS/HSDPA (850/1900/2100) , covers the vast majority of the planet on GSM, and 3G in more urban areas.
T-Mobile - GSM coverage, 3G coverage is on AWS band, not on current chipset
Verizon Wireless - CDMA 1x/EVDO, LTE next year - not on current chipset
Sprint - CDMA 1x/EVDO/WiMAX - not on current chipset
I would 'suspect/expect' that when an LTE supported chipset exists, there would be:
GSM (850/900/1800/1900) + UMTS (850/1900/2100) + LTE (700)
and a separate chip 'just' for the CDMA folks
CDMA 1x (850/1900) + EVDO (850/1900) + LTE (700)
at least for the 'Americas'.
On a global scale, CDMA 1x/EVDO count for less than 15% with a technology end in sight (i.e. move to LTE).
It is similar to having Sprint deploy a Palm Pre on Nextel.
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2 edits | Re: No comment said by en102:GSM (850/900/1800/1900) + UMTS (850/ 1700/1900/2100) + LTE (700) You forgot one. Then WiFi @ 2.4Ghz, and GPS.
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join:2001-01-26
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1 edit | Re: No comment There's no carrier requirement to run voice/data on WiFi. GPS is receive only. We'll also see if Apple decides to use any of the AWS bands in the US, or similar bands overseas.
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
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| Taking all that into account, Verizon has 82M subscribers at this point. Despite the defections to the iPhone. This is a HUGE number and a nice market for Apple to tap. Might be able to get 5M of those to turn iPhone, for $2B of revenue or more. Not a small number.
With relations with AT&T strained, Apple just might do the R&D and slap a CDMA radio in an iphone for Verizon, provided Verizon doesn't neuter the phone like they did with the Touch pro.
AT&T probably has a lot of exclusive runway left but Apple seems to be getting fed up with AT&T's "oh noes, this will break our network" attitude re: tethering, data-intensive apps and MMS. Despite Sprint's lousy customer service (which is improving) they haven't seemed to have a problem with kicking out data-centric devices on their own 3G network...and Verizon isn't too bad itself. | |
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GSM + HSPA + LTE + CDMA/EVDO
Usually the phone manufacturer can choose what bands to support in the hardware so Apple could come out with a phone that does
GSM (850/900/1800/1900) + HSPA (850/1900/2100) + LTE (700) + CDMA 1x (850/1900) + EVDO (850/1900)
which doesn't seem that wacky given the fact of how multiband phones are becoming more prevalent by the day. That radio band configuration would work quite well all the way into 2015 anywhere in the world. | |
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join:2001-09-30
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kudos:8 | Re: No comment That would drink energy like no tomorrow. | |
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All those bands and standards would never been used simultaneously. While on Verizon only CDMA/EVDO + LTE would be used, while on AT&T only HSPA + LTE would be used. The unused parts can be completely turned off and consume zero power. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: iPhone buyers are not the brightest bulbs in the string. At the time the Nokia N95 was far superior to the First Gen Iphone. Its was 3G , had GPS, and had 3 Meg camera. Along with other better things. I just think the Iphones are for people who think there intellectually superior , but aren't. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: iPhone buyers are not the brightest bulbs in the string. said by DaveDude:At the time the Nokia N95 was far superior to the First Gen Iphone. Its was 3G , had GPS, and had 3 Meg camera. Along with other better things. I just think the Iphones are for people who think there intellectually superior , but aren't. Ouch. I want an iPhone because I like the overall design of it, the app store, plus the 3G, GPS, 3mg camera, video recording, google maps, etc etc.
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| Re: iPhone buyers are not the brightest bulbs in the string. said by Rob:said by DaveDude:At the time the Nokia N95 was far superior to the First Gen Iphone. Its was 3G , had GPS, and had 3 Meg camera. Along with other better things. I just think the Iphones are for people who think there intellectually superior , but aren't. Ouch. I want an iPhone because I like the overall design of it, the app store, plus the 3G, GPS, 3mg camera, video recording, google maps, etc etc. The N95 Does all that ,except the apple stuff, and its been out for almost 3 years.
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| Re: iPhone buyers are not the brightest bulbs in the string. said by DaveDude:said by Rob:said by DaveDude:At the time the Nokia N95 was far superior to the First Gen Iphone. Its was 3G , had GPS, and had 3 Meg camera. Along with other better things. I just think the Iphones are for people who think there intellectually superior , but aren't. Ouch. I want an iPhone because I like the overall design of it, the app store, plus the 3G, GPS, 3mg camera, video recording, google maps, etc etc. The N95 Does all that ,except the apple stuff, and its been out for almost 3 years. A lot of Windows Mobile phones have had those functions for quite some time. The iPhone is just now catching up function-wise.
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| Re: iPhone buyers are not the brightest bulbs in the string. I've got two reasons to get the iPhone over any other smartphone out there:
1) Battery life (the iPhone's doesn't suck, all other smartphones I've tried do)
2) Application support (50k+ vs. a much smaller amount, plus if you jailbreak you get maybe another few hundred...Palm oS had this kind of support in the good old days but it's fading fast)
There's no doubt that the other guys in the field are making good products (my Touch Pro is great and my future Touch Pro2 will be even greater I think). However when you've got 40m devices using the same smartphone operating system, an what you develop could be promoted to the point that you're raking in the dough, which platform are you going to develop for?
I wish Android or Windws Mobile could do a 3-minute video showing "there's an app for that on us too" to answer Apple's selection. However I don't think they can do it.
the iPhone 3Gs wasn't that huge of an upgrade, so Palm Pre fanatics are still probably satisfied with their purchase. For the people who don't think Apple should release an iPhone every year, why? Two years ago HTC released the Mogul, last year it released th Touch Pro, this year it's releasing the Tuch Pro2. I could provide other phone life cycle examples... | |
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| Re: iPhone buyers are not the brightest bulbs in the string. said by iansltx:I wish Android or Windws Mobile could do a 3-minute video showing "there's an app for that on us too" to answer Apple's selection. However I don't think they can do it. Android will lose out on number of apps in their marketplace, so they can't compete on size only. But so what if there are 50k apps when 45k of them are cheap knock off clones of other apps, novelty apps, or very niche applications.
Many of the popular apps have similar functioning apps for Android. You also have to remember that Android currently still has only a single phone available and hasn't done the marketing that Apple has done. Additional Android phones are coming later this year to multiple carriers so the number and quality of apps will expand. | |
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join:2007-02-19
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| Re: iPhone buyers are not the brightest bulbs in the string. Lookiing forward to seeing that happen, but even with the knockoffs etc. I'd say that closer to 50% of the iPhone's application selection are worthwhile. Out of that, maybe 50% are niche apps, but that still leaves more applications than the other platforms, possibly combined, for people to use.
There's also the marketing machine. People on oter platforms have to hunt for good apps. n the iPhone, there's one store, and they'll promote some apps on TV. Big win for developers and users.
Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather Android be the leader here, but it isn't. Android will come to Sprint, iphone won't. But the fact remains that the iphone OS is now the most heavily developed mobile OS out there, and people will make buying decisions based on that. | |
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said by iansltx:I've got two reasons to get the iPhone over any other smartphone out there: 1) Battery life (the iPhone's doesn't suck, all other smartphones I've tried do) 2) Application support (50k+ vs. a much smaller amount, plus if you jailbreak you get maybe another few hundred...Palm oS had this kind of support in the good old days but it's fading fast) 1) My HTC Fuze lasts about 6 hours without needing a charge. That's with 3G on.
2) »forum.xda-developers.com/forumdi···hp?f=260 I'm sure in that 500 pages of apps you can find something you like. 
said by iansltx:There's no doubt that the other guys in the field are making good products (my Touch Pro is great and my future Touch Pro2 will be even greater I think). However when you've got 40m devices using the same smartphone operating system, an what you develop could be promoted to the point that you're raking in the dough, which platform are you going to develop for? First off lets clarify some facts because it seems you are sugar coating the truth. According to wikipedia:
Windows Mobile: quote:
Some current estimates suggest that 80% of the 50 million Windows Mobile devices made have been built by one contract manufacturing group, HTC, which makes handsets as for several major companies under their brands, as well as under its own brand.
Apple: quote:
The company sold 3.8 million iPhone 3G units in the second quarter of fiscal 2009, ending March 2009, totaling 21.4 million iPhones sold to date.
To answer your question: Windows Mobile.
If you wanted to be technical we can add in iPod Touch, but I can't find any sales numbers for that. Can someone pull those up?
said by iansltx:I wish Android or Windws Mobile could do a 3-minute video showing "there's an app for that on us too" to answer Apple's selection. However I don't think they can do it. Name an application that the iPhone that you think that the WM platform doesn't have, I am sure someone here can pull it up for you. Please don't say the "I am rich" app either.
said by iansltx:the iPhone 3Gs wasn't that huge of an upgrade, so Palm Pre fanatics are still probably satisfied with their purchase. For the people who don't think Apple should release an iPhone every year, why? Two years ago HTC released the Mogul, last year it released th Touch Pro, this year it's releasing the Tuch Pro2. I could provide other phone life cycle examples... This is a fallacy but I don't which one...I will point out why. You are saying that the iPhone 3Gs isn't that big of an upgrade that got release in a year but yet you claim that the other device manufactures do the same thing. Thing is, the new device that the other manufactures release is usually a new design, and new hardware instead of just a new OS. I went from my AT&T Tilt to the HTC Fuze and let me tell you they are radically different, and it is a good comparison because the Tilt is like the Fuze's little brother (according to wikipedia).
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1 edit | said by Rob:said by DaveDude:At the time the Nokia N95 was far superior to the First Gen Iphone. Its was 3G , had GPS, and had 3 Meg camera. Along with other better things. I just think the Iphones are for people who think there intellectually superior , but aren't. Ouch. I want an iPhone because I like the overall design of it, the app store, plus the 3G, GPS, 3mg camera, video recording, google maps, etc etc. Let's see:
3g at 7.2mbps won't be any faster than their 3.6mbps 3g was on last year's iphone because ATT's network will still be overloaded. Not that the 7.2mbps 3g is anything special anyways. Most 3g smartphones have been selling 7.2mbps HSPA standard for years. iPhone is just catching up.
GPS won't be free. It's from TomTom (EDIT: thanks jvanbrecht) so you'll likely be charged at least $99. Chances are, knowing the iphone crowd, they'll get charged even more, and pay more for what everyone else gets for less. GPS navigation is available on all smartphones (except for the iphone - until now) and even most dumbphones nowadays. iPhone is just catching up.
3mp camera? Instead of the now-standard 5mp or 8mp? Sounds smart. iPhone is just catching up.
Video recording? Again, every smartphone and dumbphone with a camera has had this for years. iPhone is just catching up.
Google Maps? Yet again, every smartphone and dumbphone can get this. yay iphone.
Don't believe it? Check out:
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www.htc.com
www.nokia.com
www.blackberry.com
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1 edit | Re: iPhone buyers are not the brightest bulbs in the string. Maybe my post came off wrong. I'm not saying that other phones aren't good. I'm just saying that I like the iPhone.
And GPS is built in. I don't need the TomTom app. I'm happy with Google Maps that's included. So there is no additional cost for GPS usage. | |
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The biggest draw to the iphone is its overall UI and ease of use. Yes you can skin a symbion and Winmo phone, but its a pain. | |
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Johnson City, TN | said by tiger72:said by Rob:said by DaveDude:At the time the Nokia N95 was far superior to the First Gen Iphone. Its was 3G , had GPS, and had 3 Meg camera. Along with other better things. I just think the Iphones are for people who think there intellectually superior , but aren't. Ouch. I want an iPhone because I like the overall design of it, the app store, plus the 3G, GPS, 3mg camera, video recording, google maps, etc etc. Don't believe it? Check out: www.sonyericsson.com www.htc.com www.nokia.com www.blackberry.com All of which are shaking in their boots about the iPhone. Numbers dont lie.
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| Re: iPhone buyers are not the brightest bulbs in the string. said by Chillin:All of which are shaking in their boots about the iPhone. Numbers dont lie. Count how many of those companies advertise during primetime.
Then count how many iPhone commercials you see in the same amount of time.
Hype and advertising are why the iPhone is successful.
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Johnson City, TN | Re: iPhone buyers are not the brightest bulbs in the string. said by tiger72:said by Chillin:All of which are shaking in their boots about the iPhone. Numbers dont lie. Count how many of those companies advertise during primetime. Then count how many iPhone commercials you see in the same amount of time. Hype and advertising are why the iPhone is successful. Ya so your making the argument that Blackberry doesn't advertise? I see one of those about as much as you see a iPhone commercial. At least in my market I do.
Many other companies dont advertise as much because per dollar spent on advertising vs return is not worth it, they cant sell that many because not nearly as many people want it.
Ive never bought a product based on a TV commercial that I can remember anyway. So thats not the only reason those products cant touch the iPhone in sales.
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If they were "intellectually superior," they wouldn't be paying double or so for a data plan for that thing.
If under contract, why would they even think they are entitled to a new phone at the low price? Nobody else is regardless of phone. | |
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Sorry, I'm an iPhone user, lol. | |
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kudos:2 | said by Mr Matt:  Apple and AT&T keep sticking it to iPhone buyers by rendering product obsolete in milliseconds. What exactly makes the current product obsolete...or even the 1st gen product for that matter? | |
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| said by Mr Matt: Apple and AT&T keep sticking it to iPhone buyers by rendering product obsolete in milliseconds. How long before the next generation of iPhone is introduced? About 12 months, I'd hazard to guess. 
What I find interesting about your observation is that a lot of die-hard iPhone zealots (mostly 3G owners) are complaining that the 3GS isn't different enough from the current 3G to warrant an upgrade. They're pissed because Apple should have dropped a huge megaton on the industry, and this isn't it. The impression I get is that these people really want to have their devices rendered moot by a quantum leap in technology each year. (So they can buy it and keep boasting about it, I guess.)
Me, I held onto my first-gen iPhone last year because I didn't find the 3G anywhere near worth the upgrade. I also don't have any need for MMS or tethering, so AT&T's ball-dropping, while ridiculously embarrassing for them and for U.S.-based telecom as a whole, doesn't affect me. I'll probably get an iPhone 3GS after the initial tests & teardowns come out, and give my old iPhone to my wife. They're just good devices for us.
Disclaimer: I'm not a Mac zealot and the iPhone is, in fact, the first piece of Apple technology I've ever owned (excepting a 2nd-gen iPod which I thought was horrible). But as a user interface designer, I appreciate the iPhone experience and prefer the device largely on that basis.
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kudos:1 | Re: iPhone buyers are not the brightest bulbs in the string. Same here, 1st gen iphone user and this is the first Apple product I owned outside of an ipod.
The phone does just about everything I could want from it in a way that's intuitive and easy to use. There is a reason why it reset the standard and Blackberry, Palm and a dozen others are following Apple's lead.
I enjoyed my 1st gen iphone the last two years and while I don't think the 3GS is a major step up from the 3G, I'm considering it.
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(2) Coming out with new products every year or so that have new features is the only way to stay in front of the market and gain market share. Otherwise they'd be conceding to Palm, Google, etc. Don't attack Apple for innovating. It's silly. | |
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BTW, I'm NOT whining about not getting upgrades. As far as I'm concerned, I'm entitled to exactly what was in the box the day I bought it and nothing more (than an occasional FW upgrade for bugs)
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I bought the Iphone 3g one year ago because I wanted a portable psp, mp3 player, video player, and 3g internet service. If I bought today I probably would buy a palm pre.
Or maybe I'd buy any of the number of LG, Samsung, Plam smartphones made in the past year or two... While the iphone has only had 3 versions. | |
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| Re: iPhone buyers are not the brightest bulbs in the string. said by Uncle Paul:said by David:said by Uncle Paul:Bull I've yet to see anything that Microsoft does... or doesn't do that won't bring people to the table to complain. You need to talk to my sister about "Windows Vista" then. I am sure she would be more than happy to visit your table and complain plenty. Thank you for proving my point. Well true I proved your point but you also proved mine. Had this been a M$ phone everyone would have just "accepted" it. Why is it apple gets all the attention when they screw their own customers? Yet everyone expects it of microsoft?
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| | | | | | | | Re: iPhone buyers are not the brightest bulbs in the string. said by David:Well true I proved your point but you also proved mine. Had this been a M$ phone everyone would have just "accepted" it. Why is it apple gets all the attention when they screw their own customers? Yet everyone expects it of microsoft? I don't get it. No, as with anything Microsoft, had this been a Microsoft phone everyone would have complained. It doesn't matter what Microsoft does, someone will complain about it. Microsoft could cure cancer and someone would complain about it.
Some people can't even abbreviate Microsoft to MS without using a $. Not really sure why that is. I don't see folks using Ci$co or O$X. Both Cisco and Apple both are for profit companies. They all charge for software upgrades... maybe it's just not cool. | |
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kudos:4 | Maybe they should add another AT&T logo... So they will have two blue balls....
This is f'ing retarded. AT&T dropped the ball big time on this one. We have been waiting long enough on this... | |
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| GbcueAlmost P.E.Premium
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| Re: Maybe they should add another AT&T logo... said by ptrowski:We have been waiting long enough on this... You know you can get another phone (probably ANY other GSM phone in the world) and get MMS support.
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| Re: Maybe they should add another AT&T logo... said by Gbcue:said by ptrowski:We have been waiting long enough on this... You know you can get another phone (probably ANY other GSM phone in the world) and get MMS support. No way! Holy smokes I never knew that! 
I had a Blackberry Curve prior to the iPhone and had an Touch. So I figured I would get the 3G to consolidate. I would send an email MMS on the iPhone, and it works. It would be nice to send an MMS message, something that I was expecting to be able to do when 3.0 was released.
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As for AT&T, maybe they are actually testing the new services to make sure the network is capable of handing them before just releasing them to the public. - Of course, if they did that, then the network would bog down, and be slow and everyone would be complaining that AT&T sucks because their network wasn't ready to handle the added data. -- I guess AT&T will never win, no matter what they do. | |
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| | | Re: Upgrades said by Jmartz:I don't know why current customers with iPhones are upset that they can't upgrade immediately to the new 3GS. Why on earth would they sell subsidized equipment to someone who just got subsidized equipment? I've had my Samsung Blackjack II for nearly 14 months and I was just finally told I could upgrade and get discounted pricing. -- I had to wait, so should current iPhone users. Yes, AT&T pays Apple money to subsidize customers purchase of new iPhones. They get that money back by locking the customer in to a 2 yr contract. If they let every customer get ANOTHER subsidized iPhone before the contract is up they actually lose money on the deal. I know that doesn't concern the typical Apple iPhone fanatic, but it is basic business economics.
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| | | | Re: Upgrades Yeah, I don't understand why people don't get this. Of course, these same people feel they are entitled in every way, do not understand basic economics and wonder why the government doesn't just pay them not to work the job they never had. | |
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Pittsburgh, PA | ...and why it's confusing is because they offered a Gen 1 -> Gen 2 iPhone upgrade on the really cheap. | |
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| Re: Upgrades Because you paid full prce for the original iPhone. the (nlocked, 8GB, first-gen) iphone sitting six inches from me right now cost me $400 + tax. No subsidy. If the new iPhones had that same price point...what right now is 1-year upgrade pricing interestingy enough...then I'd have a 3G and might be getting a 3Gs. But I'm sure AT&T is paying big bucks for the iPhone exlcusive so that's not gonna happen.
Heck, nobody else in the US has 3G anyway. I think I'll go down to the local wireles provider and see what their prepaid unlimited service and do; they have a weekly one so it'll only cost me $15 I think. | |
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|  Vamp9190Premium
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kudos:1 | Yeah I hear you and agree. My wife & I have AT&T with a family plan and 2 phones. She got a BB Curve 8310 new (upgrade price) and I got her old Moto Razr. Now after another year, the Moto was eligible for upgrade, so she got me a BB Bold 9000 (sweet). Her Curve is eligible for upgrade in a few months, Sept-2009.
I am thinking about getting her an iphone, but she is not a huge power user, so probably the 8 or 16gb 2nd gen 3G.....although with upgrade pricing may go with a 3GS.
Except how hard is it to type texts on the iphone? She is so used to the BB keys and you can realll crank out messages with it.
Oh, one other thing that bothers me.....the media & news. They report that Apple just dropped the iphone to $99! Yeah, but what they DON'T say is that you only get that price if you are a new customer or have reached upgrade eligibility as a current customer. | |
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| Concession? Meanwhile, there's also a lot of grumbling from iPhone 3G owners who are (for some reason) confused as to why they don't get the new subsidized iPhone 3GS prices while still under contract. And the Mac community is complaining about this? This is how Apple works! How many versions or the ipod are there? I've never seen a discount to upgrade toa new one. Sell your old and upgrade....
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| tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
join:2001-03-28
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kudos:1 | Re: Yawn Correct.
It's nothing new to charge in-contract users a higher price. They're subsidized because of the contract, idiots. | |
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18 | Tethering? "if you're willing to pay $70 for an "unlimited" (read: 5GB) broadband and tethering bundle."
You mean, on top of the existing extortion... er uh, plan?
5GB? On a laptop?
What, just for email? Won't the iPhone do email itself?
Damn! I have GOT to get me one of these! 
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But on the subject of early upgrades, I have no sympathy whatsoever for the people who want that. I'd love to hear their rationale as to why they should get that kind of treatment when no one else does. Because they're iPhone owners? PLEASE! What about BlackBerry owners, Fuze owners, BlackJack owners, etc.? These folks pay just as much for data as iPhone users, and some of them paid significantly more for their devices, yet they don't get any special treatment. If you want a new iPhone but are under contract, do what folks with other phones do: either wait it out or pay full price and sell your old device on eBay. | |
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| Re: Contracts and upgrades its because AT&T set the bar last time when they let first gen iPhone users do that. So now all the 3G'ers think that hey i bought this one i should get the same treatment like u did when the 3G on came out for 1gen owners. Thats All. AT&T is to blame for this, had they not made the exception last year, no one would be crying about it for this one. | |
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| Re: Contracts and upgrades eBay FTW!
No, seriously, ith sales tax my new phone would've cost the same, after a hefty rebate, as what I got it for on eBay. Plus, no new contract.
Side note: the 3560 was really an awesome phone. Though mine, sitting on AT&T wireless rather than Cingy (used on BeyondWireless prepaid, remember them?), didn't have the web browser enabled. Had a friend with one back when the local carrier was TDMA (they've since moved to CDMA, been bought and overbuilt their network with GSM, which all new customers now use). Hot stuff, though everyone was looking over the fence at Sprint with their camera phones | |
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| Re: Contracts and upgrades yep. I may actually have a Nokia 6010 (3595 with a different faceplate) around here still. Or might have sold it, not sure. At any rate, it was easily unlocked and put on T-Mobile (got it from a person who had Cingular and upgraded their phone). Not the most compact phone, but it sure would pull a signal. Sorta like its CDMA equivalent (or as close to it as you could get), the 6015/16/19.
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | $70 for tethering? Yikes, that's more expensive than Verizon's Data Plan + $15 tethering charge. I wonder if they are charging a $40 premium for tethering over the $30 iPhone data plan to discourage iPhone users from purchasing it? I would like to tether, but I don't do it nearly often enough to pay a $40 premium. $15 yes, but $40? Hell no. | |
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join:2001-06-17
Plymouth, MA | At&t Rip off Does this company not realize as soon as the Iphone is available to other cell carriers their customers will jump ship in a heart beat, Why do they ( A&TT ) screw with their customers so much? I just don't get it. | |
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Lake Forest, IL | Re: At&t Rip off said by hsdguy:Does this company not realize as soon as the Iphone is available to other cell carriers their customers will jump ship in a heart beat, Why do they ( A&TT ) screw with their customers so much? I just don't get it. I have an iPhone now and know I will be switching if/when it becomes available on another carrier. I actually forgot HOW bad at&t was (at least here north of Chicago) when I signed up for the iphone. I might actually just switch to something else on another carrier when my time is up. | |
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Verizon's quality in customer support has been declining over the past year, and I'm at the point where I'm tired of wounded phones and poor selection. | |
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But in THIS country, they all charge a $15 or $30 a month premium for it. Double whammy. Same service, same 5Gig limit, two different prices, depending on plan level.There are third-party tethering applications that allow you to tether over your phone data connection via ActiveSync or other conduit, but of course, those "violate" your Terms Of Service (as if anybody cares). | |
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Colorado Springs, CO | Re: Tethering ripoff They do that because you cant really use the limit on a normal plan through a phone. WAP and ringtones really dont use that much bandwidth.
not defending it, I think either plan is a ripoff.. data is cheap.
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join:2001-10-20
Palm Coast, FL | No MMS ... No MMS is what really irks me. I understand the upgrade issues and wouldn't expect an exception to be made for an upgrade after only a year or less. I do, however, expect AT&T to have their system ready for MMS when it becomes available on the iPhone. AT&T has dropped the ball several times throughout this whole "relationship" with Apple and AT&T and it's getting ridiculous. I have been with Bellsouth Mobility/Cingular/AT&T Wireless since 1999 and I have about had it with this. | |
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Antonlm
join:2004-09-15
Birmingham, AL | Maybe a little off topic... But anyone else having trouble sending a pic to another phones email addr? I have been getting an error using the Iphone to send pics to other ATT phones. It says that mms email has been restricted. I have done this numerous times, any idea on what has changed or is it just me? | |
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| | ATT Im hoping that Apple will get the iphone out to other carrier's in the next year. I think that ATT sucks pretty much. Apple with this new $99 iphone is trying to appeal to a different audience that still doesn't have an iphone and after this I think they're going to have to open it up to other options in order to keep moving the number of units that they want to move, after all, theres only so many damn ATT users who are going to buy an iphone. | |
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join:2007-01-22
Kensington, MD | AT&T: Here's your fix for MMS AT&T has to manually remove all the "Opt Out MMS codes" on each account
update customer c set c.OptOutMMS=0 where c.phonetype='iPhone' and c.OptOutMMS=1
Of course, you would have to modify the above code to fit your schema.
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| | In chicago Everyone that I know who use att and the Iphone hates it, calls drop most of the time when you are inside a building. Not with my T-mobile
Also their 3G speeds are a joke. You have to be in a park with nothing around you to get the (What they call 3G speeds of around a 56k Modem)
When one of my buddies called Att and complained about the poor service, the rep said they are installing additional antennas in the area. Two months after, with no improvement of the service he calls again and they tell him the same thing, that they are installing additional antennas.
ATT used to be a company that I really liked, but when they made the move sell the Iphone on their network I think it put a bigger strain on the company then they anticipated. Just now att also acknowledged that they were not ready for the roll out of the 3G speeds when the Iphone hit the market, as soon as I heard that I ran the other way from this company. | |
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| GbcueAlmost P.E.Premium
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| Re: In chicago said by Martindziad:Everyone that I know who use att and the Iphone hates it, calls drop most of the time when you are inside a building. Not with my T-mobile Also their 3G speeds are a joke. You have to be in a park with nothing around you to get the (What they call 3G speeds of around a 56k Modem) When one of my buddies called Att and complained about the poor service, the rep said they are installing additional antennas in the area. Two months after, with no improvement of the service he calls again and they tell him the same thing, that they are installing additional antennas. ATT used to be a company that I really liked, but when they made the move sell the Iphone on their network I think it put a bigger strain on the company then they anticipated. Just now att also acknowledged that they were not ready for the roll out of the 3G speeds when the Iphone hit the market, as soon as I heard that I ran the other way from this company. That's an interesting story. I have T-Mobile and I routinely out speed test those on 3G while I'm on an EDGE Blackberry...
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IMHO that is not a fair comparison. BB's backhaul to a BIS (or BES) which compressing the data stream to artificially inflate the speed. I guess ATEOTD its not that bad since time is finite and people don't want to wait. | |
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Palm Coast, FL | Re: FYI said by megatron266:There are a few things that aren't right here. Lets remember the first gen and 3G iPhones didn't come with the MMS capability directly from APPLE. Which is why the new OS is going to have it. I don't hear grief about APPLE on that. Give them a little break people. They have 73 million customers and most of you on here complain how much they suck on your areas yet when they take a few things nice and slow to minimize any issues you throw a fit. LOL To add to this, removal of MMS codes. This is obviously not true. I used to work for the death star many moons ago and if they want to remove something in the masses all they do are account sweeps. There is nothing manual about it. "Computer...Target all accounts with iPhone plans and blah blah blah..." Opt Outs are only added when a customer asks for it. The iPhone accounts didn't have it automatically. Last time I called up a buddy of mine any Opt Out feature is not offered up front. To be extremely honest i don't understand the tethering thing. I mean I know what it is and how it works but it is useless to the common customer. I drive (no distractions please) to work and at work i WORK. I don't have time to be tethering anything. I go home I have my DSL. At the airport I have the HSI from the airport. At a hotel room I have the HSI from the hotel (if free). If the hotel is not free I go to any McDonald's, Starbucks out there and connect for free. At my moms, sisters or friends house I connect to their HSI free. SEE MY POINT? If your job is mainly on the road then I see where you would need it but it is not a replacement for actual HSI. Why would you substitute HSI for a service that is proven to be much slower no matter what carrier you're with? If I feel the need to surf the net I use my smartphone and use it. The speed on there is enough to look at all the porn and email I want since I only use it in small increments of time. These are just my 2 cents and I know there will be at least one person to respond to my post with a smart remark so I'll leave it at that. Good luck! I agree with most of what you have said except the MMS. While I don't understand why MMS was left out in the first place, I'm sure there was some reasoning behind it. The fact that AT&T needs time to "prepare" for MMS on the iPhone tells me they are not managing their network correctly and efficiently. They took the contract of the iPhone and they have had two+ years to prepare for this feature as well as the overall strain on their "network" from iPhone users.
They have poorly managed this time and will lose ALOT of customers when their contract with the iPhone expires. | |
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join:2003-07-05
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| Re: FYI Yeah, you must know something that AT&T doesn't.
They should fire Randall Stephenson and hire you, it sounds like you know more about AT&T's network than AT&T does.
Considering they've likely been focusing on expanding 3G coverage and improving network performance, I'm sure MMS was in the back of their minds, but why would they prepare when it was Apple who they were waiting on?
As far as all of these complainers in regards to 3G speeds - you had a bad experience, that doesn't mean we all do. I average 1100 down/200 up on my iPhone. You all are making the assumption that given the number of iPhone users, that Sprint or Verizon's networks would likely be able to handle it. | |
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join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH | MMS Problem with globally changing all of the iphone users' messaging plan to a normal (MMS) messaging plan would be the impact of people who have NOT upgraded to 3.0 - they would no longer receive anything when an MMS arrives. To me, it makes sense they wait a month or two, thus insuring a majority of users are on 3.0 and then minimizing complaints.
For tethering, before we all get in an uproar who exactly stated it was going to cost $70? At any rate, it's common for tethering plans to be expensive, in order to not cannibalize the lucrative card business. Those who are "in the know" and willing to work outside of TOS know there are many workarounds. This goes for the iphone and many others. | |
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