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Comments on news posted 2009-06-11 15:22:48: While the entertainment industry dreams of booting heavy P2P users from ISP networks (ignoring the fact these are potential customers), ISPs don't want the extra cost of playing content babysitter. ..

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~$70 A Month

Who would pay that much?

If I was to pay $70 a month for unlimited content, there better be no bandwidth caps.

No cable TV of course... Who wants to double pay.
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 $80 for Unlimited Content?

I'd pay $80 for a fast connection and access to unlimited content. I wouldn't care what kind of crap laden DRM they used either if I could access the service across all my devices and stream the content.


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No thanks...

I'd go without Internet access entirely if my only option for it were to pay extortion for "content" I don't want.


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 Free is the only price that most want to pay

Keep working on inexpensive, high-quality ways to deliver the content they're looking for, suggests the study.
But that has been shown not to work. People used to free don't want to pay for anything - no matter how low the cost.

Cheap music is now available in many places(iTunes, Amazon, WalMart, etc) that can be ported to multiple devices. And if you just want to listen live for free, services like Pandora exist. But that HAS NOT stopped the wholesale pirating - Why is that? Because it can be copied without charge from the pirate sites.
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I just think they are going about it , all the wrong way. Why dont they just charge for a license. Similar to microsoft. So if you copy a movie and dont have a license, the movie wont play. Although its the same as drm. This way the business model, makes people think. I have what i want, i just have to pay. If the down loader doesnt pay, then in a month or so, they get a letter requesting a license. If they dont pay, then they have a bigger problem..

But i agree with the Pirates on this, develop a workable business model, rather then fine people. For example. netflix , hulu ,etc. There is a ton of stuff available free, but not available legit. The media corps need to make the entire catalog available, with a subscription.
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Keep working on inexpensive, high-quality ways to deliver the content they're looking for, suggests the study.
But that has been shown not to work. People used to free don't want to pay for anything - no matter how low the cost.
Says who? Oh, right....
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shame...

The entertainment industry should pay attention to the broken Newspaper model in the context of people that want content will circumvent the normal channels to get it, legally or not. In keeping with the same business model, the entertainment industry will render themselves irrelevant.
I think that most people are willing to pay extra for their own desired entertainment rather than a flat fee for entertainment they don't want.
While I don't download content that I don't pay for nor do I think others should, I think the entertainment industry's tactics have been deplorable and absolutely non-productive.
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Re: $80 for Unlimited Content?

said by Matt See Profile :

I'd pay $80 for a fast connection and access to unlimited content. I wouldn't care what kind of crap laden DRM they used either if I could access the service across all my devices and stream the content.
I would sign up in a heart beat IF AND ONLY IF
- It wasn't just a hulu clone where hulu may not have all the episodes to all the shows, which when you tease someone with a little appetizer they would want more...
- It's commercial free, no if and or buts, if it's not commercial free than it's not worth it.
- I can pause, rewind and fast-forward
- I wasn't required to install software to watch, however, optional software could provide additional features (such as a favorite's list and a "queue list" ect)
If the **AA could come up with a system that I just described, piracy would plummet and the artists would get their money. It's a win-win. Even if it's DRM, fine, bring DRM in its ugliest form, otherwise you would only be encouraging piracy.

I wonder if we can get the **AA up on charges of encouraging piracy because the more they talk about the systems used the pirate content the more it will get used.

I honestly think if such a system existed, and they had ALL shows I ever watched and new ones, I would probably pay up to $100/month (assuming this included broadband internet). Now think about that, $100/month*1000 users = $$$$....
But, since the **AA is so greedy and want's as much money as possible now I will never see my dream come true .


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Re: Free is the only price that most want to pay

oh man he is so right I've never bought anything I downloaded and said to myself "oh man I love this CD I should go buy it"

/sarcasm
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Re: ~$70 A Month

quote:
If I was to pay $70 a month for unlimited content, there better be no bandwidth caps.
On that, at least, I think we all can agree.


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Re: Free is the only price that most want to pay

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oh man he is so right I've never bought anything I downloaded and said to myself "oh man I love this CD I should go buy it"

/sarcasm
sarcasm? so you buy everything you downloaded? or am i the one who is kept in the dark?
/clueless pirate


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oh man he is so right I've never bought anything I downloaded and said to myself "oh man I love this CD I should go buy it"

/sarcasm
That problem is what about the stuff you downloaded and DIDN'T go buy?


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If I was to pay $70 a month for unlimited content, there better be no bandwidth caps.
On that, at least, I think we all can agree.
i can only say that those who buy the most dvd and cd are the biggest sucker on this planet
we wonder why they ain't have money to spend on things they need the most

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said by Gbcue See Profile :

Who would pay that much?

If I was to pay $70 a month for unlimited content, there better be no bandwidth caps.

No cable TV of course... Who wants to double pay.
I already pay that for internet access, i get all my media from the internet via newsgroups/bit torrent/hulu so case solved.

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Re: Free is the only price that most want to pay

Seriously, if you're taking something for free via an unauthorized means that normally costs $10 and all of a sudden you had an opportunity to obtain that free thing through authorized channels for $1 or the option to continue obtaining it for free through the unauthorized means, would you really pay the $1?


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Re: shame...

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The entertainment industry should pay attention to the broken Newspaper model in the context of people that want content will circumvent the normal channels to get it, legally or not. In keeping with the same business model, the entertainment industry will render themselves irrelevant.
I think that most people are willing to pay extra for their own desired entertainment rather than a flat fee for entertainment they don't want.
While I don't download content that I don't pay for nor do I think others should, I think the entertainment industry's tactics have been deplorable and absolutely non-productive.
they have too much free time on their hand and what ever make the most profits or bring them the most money they do and do it all in the name of fighting filesharers
they would love to sue your grandmother or your child for extra money... they don't care about morality or fair use rights
extort, threats, extort, threats... its the name of the game
if we can find a way to bankrupt these greedy movie industry they wouldn't have a leg to stand on
i don't care about movies or music
i just want to share for the fun of it
most of them suck so bad their not even worth my time anymore... 99 percent of it is worthless.
i need to make money too... a waste of time
only kids and teenager has the leisure time to do this

why don't i watch movies or listen to music anymore?
i have better things to do
i prefer to read a lot..
good for me? you betcha

like any drug addiction such as coffee, beer, cigarette
its what keep them in business
just imagine no one smoking, drinking or buying their crap anymore... they would go out of business wouldn't they? but who cares? not our problems. good for everyone too.


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Re: Free is the only price that most want to pay

said by openbox9 See Profile :

Seriously, if you're taking something for free via an unauthorized means that normally costs $10 and all of a sudden you had an opportunity to obtain that free thing through authorized channels for $1 or the option to continue obtaining it for free through the unauthorized means, would you really pay the $1?
I do . . .


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It depends on how easy it would be to give you the 1$...

A) Can I go to every convenience store and get "refills" for my media card?

Or

B) I have to have a credit card, and/or a paypal account and give out a whole bunch of personal information just to buy an MP3, I may not care about in a week?

If it's A, you have a working business model. If it's B then piracy goes on.

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Re: $80 for Unlimited Content?

Interesting how a couple of people have now mentioned their willingness to accept DRM if it's "done right". A year ago the overwhelming argument would've been "hell no to DRM" and "I refuse to buy/download DRM-laden material". Maybe the pirates are winning battles but the content owners are winning the war?

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Re: Free is the only price that most want to pay

So you stopped infringing on copyrighted works because you found a place to purchase the content cheaper? Example(s) please.
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