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Comments on news posted 2009-06-12 13:22:47: Each time there's a concerted effort by ISPs to throttle cap or filter P2P users you'll note a subsequent push in solutions aimed at making P2P users "anonymous." With the exception of some VPNs, most of these solutions are little more than snake oil. ..


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Nice Concept

This is a nice concept, but I doubt the speeds will be much better than Tor. Certainly not fast enough to satisfy the P2P crowd.

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Re: Nice Concept

The solution is to stop using inferior methods of downloading what essentially is illegal content.

If you're going to go illegal, do it right.

Usenet + Newzbin + SSL

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Re: Nice Concept

indeed.
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What is Nezbin and SSL?

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What is Nezbin and SSL?
Nothing to worry about, nothing to see here, move along!
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haha, nice one for all the torrenters out there!

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yep, I detest your kind.

"Don't show 'em! Don't show 'em!"

Might as educate so your channel doesn't get killed cuz this goon goes around asking the wrong people the wrong questions ala **AA's, lol.

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What is Nezbin and SSL?
Newsgroups with SSL encryption. To learn more about newsgroups, go here: »www.slyck.com/Newsgroups_Guide If this interests you and you want to get a good news server, I VERY HIGHLY recommend this: »Sign up at Astraweb now to pay $11/month for LIFE!

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said by drew:

The solution is to stop using inferior methods of downloading what essentially is illegal content.

If you're going to go illegal, do it right.

Usenet + Newzbin + SSL
Or + a VPN

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quote:
... not going after the criminal element or the fringes.

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Overloaded?

"Hello! BitBlinder has received quite a lot of attention lately and we need to keep the rate at which new people join the network sane. If too many people join it at the same time, there is a chance it will become unstable or slow for our current users. If you leave your email address with us, we'll send you an invitation as soon as possible so you can try it out too."

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said by Kfedka:

"Hello! BitBlinder has received quite a lot of attention lately and we need to keep the rate at which new people join the network sane. If too many people join it at the same time, there is a chance it will become unstable or slow for our current users. If you leave your email address with us, we'll send you an invitation as soon as possible so you can try it out too."
rofl. meh.

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"give you back your online freedom."

And people wonder why our world is collapsing, when people think theft is a freedom.
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said by Metatron2008:

And people wonder why our world is collapsing, when people think theft is a freedom.
Is it also collapsing when people don't know the legal difference between "theft" and "copyright infringement?"

Metatron2008
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And people wonder why our world is collapsing, when people think theft is a freedom.
Is it also collapsing when people don't know the legal difference between "theft" and "copyright infringement?"
The same 'legal difference' that alot of judges also argue as theft and copyright infringement?
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said by Metatron2008:

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said by Metatron2008:

And people wonder why our world is collapsing, when people think theft is a freedom.
Is it also collapsing when people don't know the legal difference between "theft" and "copyright infringement?"
The same 'legal difference' that alot of judges also argue as theft and copyright infringement?
Name a case. You brought the claim, now show a case where P2P use brought the criminal charge of theft and not the civil charge of copyright infringement.

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said by Metatron2008:

And people wonder why our world is collapsing, when people think theft is a freedom.
And people wonder why our world is collapsing, when people think sharing an artistic expression is theft.

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And people wonder why our world is collapsing, when people think theft is a freedom.
And people wonder why our world is collapsing, when people think sharing an artistic expression is theft.
You were not given permission to share it. That would be like me sharing your money or your car to the world.

If you weren't given permission, you aren't entitled to it.

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You were not given permission to share it.
LMAO. If I bought XYZ product then I can share it with whomever I desire. Except for you. I'd charge you for the privilege.

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You were not given permission to share it.
LMAO. If I bought XYZ product then I can share it with whomever I desire. Except for you. I'd charge you for the privilege.
Yes, I always find that people like you act childish when presented with facts.

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said by Metatron2008:

people like you act childish when presented with facts.
We're still waiting for the names and/or cases of those judges that think that copyright infringement and theft are the same thing. Until then, I'd take it easy on accusing others of having a hard time with the word, "facts."

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people like you act childish when presented with facts.
We're still waiting for the names and/or cases of those judges that think that copyright infringement and theft are the same thing. Until then, I'd take it easy on accusing others of having a hard time with the word, "facts."
It can take awhile to find some things on the internet. Do you understand anything about real life, or does that need to be explained as well?

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said by Metatron2008:
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people like you act childish when presented with facts.
We're still waiting for the names and/or cases of those judges that think that copyright infringement and theft are the same thing. Until then, I'd take it easy on accusing others of having a hard time with the word, "facts."
It can take awhile to find some things on the internet. Do you understand anything about real life, or does that need to be explained as well?
Well, when one usually states something as fact they should have the supporting material ready, not chastise the crowd that is challenging them.

So next time, don't get off the porch if you are not ready to run with the big dogs.

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Re: "give you back your online freedom."

I prefer "Sh!t or get off the pot", but it's all the same in the end.

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I prefer "Sh!t or get off the pot", but it's all the same in the end.

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said by Metatron2008:

It can take awhile to find some things on the internet.
Yeah, when it doesn't exist it takes forever.

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So it's been a while. Have you found anything yet?

Or are you just blowing smoke...

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said by Metatron2008:

You were not given permission to share it.
LMAO. If I bought XYZ product then I can share it with whomever I desire. Except for you. I'd charge you for the privilege.
You bought the right to listen to the music, not the rights to the music itself nor the rights to distribute it. There is a notable difference.

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said by Matt3:

You bought the right to listen to the music, not the rights to the music itself nor the rights to distribute it. There is a notable difference.
Funny, but sharing in the sense where I can play a CD in my vehicle and not have to deafen my riders so as not to commit the theft that you and others like you believe it to be, is not the same as distribution. But thanks for chiming in. I'll make a note that you're paying attention to this particular discussion as I'm waiting for the pertinent case citations from Metatron2008 See Profile that decided that the civil charge of copyright infringement was the same as criminal theft.

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said by Matt3:

You bought the right to listen to the music, not the rights to the music itself nor the rights to distribute it. There is a notable difference.
Funny, but sharing in the sense where I can play a CD in my vehicle and not have to deafen my riders so as not to commit the theft that you and others like you believe it to be, is not the same as distribution. But thanks for chiming in. I'll make a note that you're paying attention to this particular discussion as I'm waiting for the pertinent case citations from Metatron2008 See Profile that decided that the civil charge of copyright infringement was the same as criminal theft.
As much as you might try to rationalize it, there is such a thing as fair use. Not what YOU consider fair use, but what the owner of the rights considers fair use. If you don't like it, don't buy it. That however does not give you the right to download a copy of the music for free or provide a copy of the music to others for free.

As to the issue of theft/infringement, you're splitting hairs and trying to get technical to rationalize your actions. The bottom line is that when you take something that doesn't belong to you, it is theft. If it allows you to sleep better at night because in the strictest legal definition of the word, it's infringement rather than theft, that's great.

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As much as you might try to rationalize it, there is such a thing as fair use. Not what YOU consider fair use, but what the owner of the rights considers fair use. If you don't like it, don't buy it. That however does not give you the right to download a copy of the music for free
With respect, always, I think you may need to research Fair Use.

The owners of rights don't get any say in it. This is by design. If the owners give permission, then that's a license. Fair Use, on the other hand, is a legal way to use content without permission or payment, but its purposes are limited.

With Fair Use, it's the public's ability to use and distribute without any permission -- or even over the right holder's objection.

This certainly may include the right to download a copy for free, again depending on the use. For example, I used Fair Use when I legally copied and distributed this video: »"We interrupt this program..." to remind you to hate FIOS

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said by Matt3:

You bought the right to listen to the music, not the rights to the music itself nor the rights to distribute it. There is a notable difference.
Funny, but sharing in the sense where I can play a CD in my vehicle and not have to deafen my riders so as not to commit the theft that you and others like you believe it to be, is not the same as distribution. But thanks for chiming in. I'll make a note that you're paying attention to this particular discussion as I'm waiting for the pertinent case citations from Metatron2008 See Profile that decided that the civil charge of copyright infringement was the same as criminal theft.
Sharing is as old as the wheel, when VCR and audio tapes were lent/copied and nobody got their panties twisted in a bunch.
That was because back then there was no infrastructure for rapid coping and uploading to the internet (that to some people defeats the purpose of buying it).

That sharing of the "old VCR tape" still exist today and no one has a problem with it.
The "no no" thing to do is making a copy of the disc you purchased (or downloaded) and giving to all you riders in the car telling them that they don't need to buy the disc because there is a easier way to get it.

The real disturbing issue is that most of the people chose to download content instead of buying it.

And is actually faster and easier that going to a BM store to purchase it, you could do it at 3AM and will not cost you a cent (maybe the blank CDR/DVDR).

I blame this on human greed the moranity of the content executives in not keeping up with the digital age(they choose to kill Napster instead of buying it an adapt the business model).
Don´t feel misunderstood I know that being from Socialist Republic of California makes you feel that you are entitle to every thing for free, preferably paid with state funding.

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when VCR and audio tapes were lent/copied and nobody got their panties twisted in a bunch.
Oh, but you're mistaken. It was nothing less than a first-class Hollywood Hissy Fit!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._of_America_v._Universal_City_Studios,_Inc.
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You were not given permission to share it.
LMAO. If I bought XYZ product then I can share it with whomever I desire. Except for you. I'd charge you for the privilege.
You bought the right to listen to the music, not the rights to the music itself nor the rights to distribute it. There is a notable difference.



Not entirely true. I can sell my previously purchased pre-recorded music CDs, cassettes and Vinyl records. The recording industry tried to block such sales and they lost.

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said by Metatron2008:

You were not given permission to share it. That would be like me sharing your money or your car to the world.

If you weren't given permission, you aren't entitled to it.
I wrote this lyric this morning:

"How can they 'spect me to be cool and professional?
Its as hot as a Republican in a Confessional!"


(I know, it sucks.)

Now, if someone reads that -- guess what -- it's still mine. I still have it. If someone sends that to someone else, I still have it, too. And so on.

If you "share" my money or car, I'm out THAT money or car (at least until you return it). If you share my song, I've lost nothing. That's why copyright infringement is different than theft.

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Ford doesn't give me permission to share my car, but I still let people barrow it. The Fed doesn't give me permission to let people barrow my money, but I still lend money.

Am I entitled to give permission to let people barrow things I own? Copyright infringement is not theft, that is why it is a civil case not a criminal case. Does that make it right to do? No.

But I do think old business models are to blame just as much as people who infringe on copyright. RIAA and the MPAA want to keep their own models alive as long as they can. But the world is changing faster then they can adapt, if they are even trying to adapt at all.

But back to the point about permission to share it, your own argument pointed out that no one gives you permission, yet you are free to do it with both items you claimed without being brought to court. You can share your money and car with the world without ever worrying about someone taking you to court, because yes you are entitled to share what you own.

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If I take your food, you no longer have any food. If I copy your food, you still have food. The difference is notable. English definition of theft is to take something away from you, so you dont have it any more. It is very spesific.

To those that compare copying with stealing, and immaterial works with property - think about the very word "culture".

Culture is something that is shared. Our language, the names we use - someone created the words that we now use, but they are not - and should not be - someones property. That negates the very concept of culture. Our children build upon and add to what the generation that came before already made. Now that copyright is lifetime + 70 years, atleast 4 generations has to pass before the works can be used to create - and by then, most of it is useless because noone knows the names of the people that are referred to, they wont even recognize the cars or mobile phones that are used.

How relevant is a 100 year old newsreel to anyone but a historian?

Filesharing is the tip of the Copyright wars, and the players are not pirates vs creators, its copyright vs copyleft.

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You mean a copy of my car or a copy of my money right?

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While I know that you know the difference, your statement makes it appear that you don't know the difference between sharing one's own artistic creation and sharing someone else's artistic creation, thereby claiming it as one's own by so doing.

Regardless of legal terminology, such behavior is theft--theft of someone else's right to decide how their "art" is used and distributed. I believe whole-heartedly in fair use both for CDs/music and DVDs/movies. If I buy, for example, a movie on DVD, then I own the DVD, and I own a license to view the movie in any way, shape, and form that I want to (fair use)--though "the law" says fair use does not apply to DVDs in the same way that it applies to CDs (the last time I checked anyway), so bad law... bad. That license, however, does not give me the right to "share" the movie with anyone else such that one or more copies are created for someone else's personal use. There's "sharing", and then there's "sharing". Sharing what belongs to someone else is no less theft just because there's some legal terminology that differentiates between the two. A person either knows that something he/she is doing is wrong, or he/she doesn't. Awareness or the lack thereof does not alter the reality of the situation.

People who steal as a matter of course are going to steal regardless of things like DRM. DRM is pointless and worthless, just as are many of the laws related to copyright. People who believe in fair use believe in respecting "copyright", pitifully stupid laws not withstanding; such people do not steal.

The RIAA sucks. Sadly, the MPAA has not learned the lessons that they should have from the RIAA's behavior. Treat people like criminals, and that's basically what you'll get. Respect your customers, and they'll tend to respect you. It's not too late for them to learn that lesson... I hope.

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couple points:

1-since when is our world collapsing? i suppose this goes along with 'the world is ending soon', which has been perpetuatued for centuries.

2-since when is copyright infringement the same as the theft of a material good?

3-even scarier, since when did the world revolve around the entertainment industry. that must be why the world is collapse, the entertainment industry is having trouble charging outrageous prices for crap.

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There is not enough money out there for us commoners to pay for it because greed has run amok in the world. The super rich stole all of our golden eggs. Thank goodness for BitRobinHood!
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Don't bother arguing about honesty or ethics on this site. We're outnumbered by the scum. But yes, the "give you back your online freedom" line is obviously BS.

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Wait for it.....

5 4 3 2..till someone claims P2P is bad..o ..to late.

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More mumblings from theives.

It's always amazing to see the great technical lengths thieves with a broken moral compass will go to to circumvent detection and justify their actions.

I'll be pedantic if you want and assert that it is blatant theft so save you're time trying to convince those with a sense of morality that it's infringement which is somehow less heinous.

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Court confirms downloading is not a crime?

Apparently the RIAA hired a company named MediaSentry to find unauthorized distributors of copyrighted material. MediaSentry would download a copy of the material and record the IP of the machine providing the material. This information was turned over to the RIAA who would then take the owner of the IP to court.

It seems the defendant in the case was trying to say that MediaSentry's actions were illegal and get that evidence thrown out of court. The judge did not agree with that argument.

»copyrightsandcampaigns.b ··· spot.com
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And MediaSentry did not violate the Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986 because "MediaSentry was clearly a party to the electronic communication with Defendant" and "MediaSentry did not intercept the communications for the purpose of committing a crime or tort."
I'm no lawyer, but it seems the judge has stated that MediaSentry committed no crimes (or tort) by downloading the file as evidence against the defendant.

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Civil cases don't have a 5th.

You can't hide information in a civil trial.

Of all the crap theives do to give themselves excuses, nobody can give good reason why they would need to hide their own actions from humanity.

Esp. if this was a civil case like all of you say, which you are btw, already making it a felony by hiding information.
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End Argument

I am going to post the most logical, irrefutable argument here.

Is file sharing illegal. Sure. Is it wrong? Absolutely. Is it bad for anybody? Nope.

Here's why. If you look at sales of games/music/movies, they have actually gone UP along with P2P use. How can that be? Easy. Word of mouth - the ultimate advertising tool.

I wont lie. I download everything I can. I constantly look for movies from axxo, fxm, fxm, etc so i can watch it for free. But what happens after I watch/play/listen to whatever it is I download? I tell EVERYBODY about it. Most of my friends dont have the patience to learn how to use BitTorrent, so they go and buy/rent the game/movie/album/whatever.

I think the only people this hurts are those who try to sell crap and want to make a ton of money off of it.

How many times have you bought an album because you like one song, and discover the album sucks. Or how many times does a movie preview show the only funny parts in the entire movie and the rest of it blows? Or a game, with a recent example of Prototype. This game was ridiculously hyped up, and supposed to crush inFamous. Well as it turns out, game sucks, and inFamous is 100x better in every way.

I think P2P puts more pressure on these people to create something more polished and stop trying to sell fakes.

Look at it this way. Everyone downloaded The Dark Knight, or the new Star Trek movie. Their sales were insane. Did P2P really hurt them whatsoever? "Taken" was released in DVD quality MONTHS before the THEATRE release (I watched the movie back in November), and it was a great movie. So I told everyone they need to see it when it comes out.

And my final argument is simple. Why am I going to download DRM-ridden crap when I can generally get higher quality stuff, without the junk, for free. Numerous game have been released that the DRM would actually corrupt the OS, or crash the game, when I can jump on BitTorrent and get a better running version that doesnt require me to have a disc in the drive to run.

There's a reason a service like Steam is so successful. It's not because its tougher to pirate those games. But because it provides a service where I can download my games from any computer I log into, and it even keeps settings for my games.

In the end, if they spent this money to come up with innovative ideas rather than fight P2P, this would be a happier world.

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Def agree with you.

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Or a game, with a recent example of Prototype. This game was ridiculously hyped up, and supposed to crush inFamous. Well as it turns out, game sucks, and inFamous is 100x better in every way.
You obviously didn't play Prototype, it was actually a very good game and the general public seems to agree. Sure, inFAMOUS had better graphics, but Prototype was a WAY better sandbox experience - the hype was almost spot on. In the end, both were great games.

»www.metacritic.com/games ··· rototype

»www.metacritic.com/games ··· infamous

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these threads go round and round

The peoples arguments in this thread go round and round.round and round.. sing with me now

»kids.niehs.nih.gov/lyric ··· eels.htm

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Crime of the Century???

My first reactions is: Yes freedom and privacy from Corporate and Government Snooping (If that were even a possibility).
But I simply cannot understand the hundreds of complaints about illegal download and copyright infringement [Here and elsewhere].
Who are all you people? You cannot ALL be artists, software developers or content creators.
As an ordinary user, I don't really give a damn one way or the other: I'll pay if I have to pay and I won't if I don't have to. But it's no huge moral dilemma to me vs. all the other ills of the world.
Could it be that these millions of irate anti-piracy posts we see everywhere are really the product of some Corporate propaganda machine?
Excuse me while I adjust my tinfoil hat

Rocky67
Pencil Neck Geek
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join:2005-01-13
Orange, CA

Rocky67

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Re: Crime of the Century???

I'm shocked, shocked to learn that astroturfers and paid corporate shills post in these discussions.
Pete_648
join:2001-12-20
KingstonON

Pete_648

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Re: Crime of the Century???

we better remove all those photocopying machines in the libraries, because when I photocopie a page out of that book, I am stealing.

Courts Ruled in Canada several years ago that File sharing was no different then photocopy machines in Libraries,

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someone correct me if this has been over turned.