vpoko
Premium
join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA | It'll be a slow process
But it's got to get going, we WILL run out of IPv4 addresses real soon. |
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yolarry
join:2007-12-29
Creston, WV | Cool
Gotta keep our internet going and going like the energizer bunny. |
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jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA | Router Upgrades?
Will this have any impact on existing IPv4 home routers? Would an IPv6 capable router be required for your home network, or is this change backward compatible with existing equipment? |
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rahlquist
Redeye
join:2001-10-30
Villa Rica, GA | You gotta say
no matter how much you hate comcast this is very welcome and good news. |
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alphapointe
Premium,MVM
join:2002-02-10
Columbia, MO
clubs: | reply to jmn1207
Re: Router Upgrades?
They'll at least have to replace and/or update CPE devices (modems, etc) to allow for ipv6 WAN addresses. I'm sure you can have IPv4 on the LAN side if necessary. |
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mcnet
join:2005-12-19
Cary, IL
| Dual-stack IPv4/IPv6
CPE/cable modem should pass thru IPv6 traffic just fine, it's the router/firewall that needs dual stack support during this transition period. hope to be able to switch to native dual-stack mode soon.
linksys/netgear/dlink/2wire (consumer) routers don't do IPv6 with normal code that i'm aware of. but newer corporate cisco routers and firewalls support dual-stack mode, as well as some of the open source openwrt type projects. |
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whfsdude
Premium
join:2003-04-05
Washington, DC
| said by mcnet  :linksys/netgear/dlink/2wire (consumer) routers don't do IPv6 with normal code that i'm aware of. but newer corporate cisco routers and firewalls support dual-stack mode, as well as some of the open source openwrt type projects. Most of the new linksys routers actually act establish a 6to4 tunnel and pass it through for v6 connectivity.
If they see native v6, they'll pass it.
That said, since there is no NAT in v6, someone needs to release a v4 router that has a SPI firewall/ACL that supports v6. But it can be done easily and it's not a technical issue. I'm sure we'll see some stuff pretty soon. |
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MichaelWacey
OwlSaver
Premium
join:2005-01-30
Berwyn, PA
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Comcast
| This would almost make me switch from FiOS
Hopefully, we will see something from Verizon on IPv6 support soon.
It will be interesting to see how they roll this out. Some possible scenarios:
-Switch by areas and require IPv6 routers in all homes. IPv6 to IPv4 is done by Comcast Edge routers. Not very likely.
-Switch by region and support both IPv6 and IPv4. To use IPv6, you will need an IPv6 router. IPv6 to IPv4 would be done on Comcast routers based on where service is available.
However they do it, I would be happy if I could use IPv6 on my router and all my computers. But, then again does the XBOX, the WII, or the IPod Touch support IPv6? This could be complicated. |
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
| It will be a hack at first
I doubt customers will be using ipv6, however new CPE would be provided that does IPv4 to IPv6 NAT addressing. I'm sure that's how it's going to start, otherwise imagine asking the customer to ping their default gateway.
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jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to MichaelWacey
Re: This would almost make me switch from FiOS
I see a potential market for an inexpensive and efficient translation device to be used as an interim fix until the update progress to IPv6 matures. My next home router is probably going cost me $300 or more, and I probably will want to continue using a switch for my living room to minimize the number of cables being run. My wallet hates technology.  |
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SLD
Premium
join:2002-04-17
2 edits | Am I?
Am I the only one who hates IPv6? A "higher version number" isn't always better. Good luck memorizing the IPs you manage, and much equipment functions poorly under this scheme. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | reply to mcnet
Re: Dual-stack IPv4/IPv6
Unless you're using a low-end router with only 2 MB of flash, DD-WRT supports IPv6. |
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modifiy
join:2001-04-13
Minneapolis, MN | reply to vpoko
Re: It'll be a slow process
No we wont. NAT has saved us from getting close to running out. 40% of IPv4 is still unused. We have a while before we even get close. |
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thrillhaus
Premium
join:2003-12-26
Tucson, AZ
clubs:
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Re: Am I?
You may hate it, but there's nothing you can do about that. There are simply not enough IPv4 addresses available.
Not sure why you refer to IPv6 as a scheme... boiled down, it's just a longer address. 32 bits -> 64 bits
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| reply to alphapointe
Re: Router Upgrades?
said by alphapointe :They'll at least have to replace and/or update CPE devices (modems, etc) to allow for ipv6 WAN addresses. I'm sure you can have IPv4 on the LAN side if necessary. DOCSIS3 Modems come with IPv6 support. As for DOCSIS2 Modems, there is DOCSIS2 IPv6 support if the Cable Company pushes the Microcode to the Modem - See the info at »www.cablemodem.com/specification···s20.html. |
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SLD
Premium
join:2002-04-17
2 edits | reply to thrillhaus
Re: Am I?
scheme: "a plan, design, or program of action to be followed".
Close enough. |
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| reply to thrillhaus
said by thrillhaus :You may hate it, but there's nothing you can do about that. There are simply not enough IPv4 addresses available. Not sure why you refer to IPv6 as a scheme... boiled down, it's just a longer address. 32 bits -> 64 bits It is 128 bits not 64 although the 64 bit figure is correct for routing. The 2nd 64 bits is the device number. Right now you get a single 32 bit IPv4 address. With IPv6 you get a single 64 bit IPv6 NETWORK address and the low 64 bits are used to select your devices (like currently occurs with a home LAN Router where you have a local 192.168.x/24 address assigned to up to 253 devices plus the Router). |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| reply to modifiy
Re: It'll be a slow process
we could reclaim a ton of IPv4 if a few select groups would give up their multiple unused blocks. dont some if the big corporations and Universities have a few million unused IPs that they gained the blocks for back when the net was being built and will never use.
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NickD
Premium
join:2000-11-17
Princeton Junction, NJ
clubs: | We all know those Concast techs' reputation
Wonder how many houses they'll set fire to replacing every cable modem. |
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modifiy
join:2001-04-13
Minneapolis, MN
 ·Qwest.net
·Comcast
| reply to SLD
Re: Am I?
I'm with you on that. I've worked with it for a little while now and it's a large change from v4. I wish they would have just added an octet or two. Heck just adding 1 octet gives us 1 trillion addresses. We still have about 40% unused space in ipv4 and that's only 4 billion addresses.
There are also some privacy concerns since your mac address is used in the IPv6 address. It can potentially make it very easy to track your system from across the internet. I believe they have some way of letting that change in some IPv6 compatible OSes (windows vista and 7 do this I believe). |
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