S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL | The tactics are getting old....
"We'll sue you unless you do this" is extortion. I've seen gang members get indicted under RICO laws for less.
Yeah...I'll go out and buy a CD [/sarcasm]
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NOVA_Guy
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| Music industry doing evil things-- where's the surprise?
Yet another story about a run-away greedy industry acting like thugs and ultimately pushing things through to hurt innocent people. Where's the story here?
Disappointment, yes. Surprise and shock, no.
This is part of why I haven't bought any new CDs in years. I refuse to help an industry who hurts innocent citizens with its profits. There's just something wrong it-- kind of like if the US were to start sending humanitarian aid and WMDs directly to Bin Laden.
What's next-- will our music industry in the US start asking the Obama administration for hand-outs from the Porkulus Package because of all the money its "losing" to piracy? As Congressman Jim Trafficant used to say, "Beam me up!"
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hayabusa3303
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clubs: | Dear riaa
If you are wanting to shut down the internet good luck with that. |
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woody7
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join:2000-10-13
Torrance, CA | hmmm.....
Call me old fashioned, bu if there isn't a law requiring them to do so, isn't threatening them if they don't some kind of extortion? 
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OFF TOPIC - Trafficant
said by NOVA_Guy  :As Congressman Jim Trafficant used to say, "Beam me up!" I miss him. Sure, it was gimmicky, but when he went on a rant, everyone listened!
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
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Re: hmmm.....
Oh you and your laws, everyone know the music thugs industry is above the law when it come to stopping priates. |
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yock
TFTC
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join:2000-11-21
Fairfield, OH
| Lawsuits aren't about legal requirements
It makes for good reading, but the fact of the matter is whether or not there is a law dictating this is immaterial to a civil lawsuit. The recording industry association in Ireland doesn't need a criminal indictment to pursue monetary damages, they only must demonstrate that a reasonable duty due to the copyright holder was breached. If they can convince a jury (or whatever Ireland uses) that ISPs should be protecting copyright, then they can collect damages.
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old_wiz_60
join:2005-06-03
Bedford, MA | reply to S_engineer
Re: The tactics are getting old....
Gang members don't pay the legislators for immunity, that's why they get sued under RICO. |
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backness
join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2
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Re: Lawsuits aren't about legal requirements
I'm no lawyer but...
...why should one part tell another party what to do with their private property?
Would this not be the equivalent the Telcom telling Sony to open up all of its catalogues for free? They can say what they want but unless they can prove that the carrieir is complicit (i.e. conspiring to distibute) then they have a snowballs chance in hell of getting this through.
Its the eqivalent of the postal service being held accountable for drug trafficking because drugs are sent in the mail. |
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yock
TFTC
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| No, because the third-party has no standing with respect to the copyright. What is being asserted here is that the ISPs are allowing copyright infringement to occur on their networks, and are thus complicit in those acts of infringement. Say what you will about the validity of such claims, but the copyright holder is within their rights to assert that they are owed a duty to any entity that handles their product. They just have to prove it in court.
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vpoko
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Jamaica Plain, MA | Does Ireland have any shield laws like the US does for ISP's? |
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yock
TFTC
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Fairfield, OH | No idea, but this seems to suggest that they do not. |
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jmn1207
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Can the RIAA sue themselves for being complicit in acts of copyright infringement? Afterall, their product is far too easily copied/recorded in the present format being distributed. They are not taking adequate steps to lock down their own product, and therefore should be held liable for such infringements. Suing themselves seems no sillier than any of their other actions in this battle over piracy. |
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Bit
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1 edit | Should have loser pays in every country
That would stop this abuse of process. When the RIAA has to pay court costs plus damages for dragging a company into court they will stop. But so long as they can abuse the justice system here and abroad they will continue.
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yock
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Re: Lawsuits aren't about legal requirements
Ans I suppose it's not the homeowner's fault that you robbed them considering they left their front door unlocked?
Give me a break...
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GlobalMind
Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
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| reply to yock
said by yock :No idea, but this seems to suggest that they do not. Not that it much matters. They'd try to sue anyway just to pose a threat to the ISP.
The real fact still remains if there is no law requiring ISPs to implement the filters then there is no requirement, regardless of the copyright holders position.
Thus the need to take it up in court, and obviously the one ISP doesn't think they'd win, so they cave and settle.
Meanwhile the others have grown a pair and stood up to the industry's threats. Of course now that one has agreed, it puts the others in a position to have to do the same, so glad they're standing ground.
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GlobalMind
Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
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said by yock :Ans I suppose it's not the homeowner's fault that you robbed them considering they left their front door unlocked? Give me a break... I believe there was an EU reg being discussed whereby a company whos data is compromised might be liable for such a breach.
Fun stuff.
And, jmn1207, trying to "lock down" their product won't help. In fact it'll likely make piracy worse. DRM doesn't work, we've seen it over & over.
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yock
TFTC
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join:2000-11-21
Fairfield, OH
| A company that retains private customer information does have a duty to protect it at any cost. If they cannot protect it, they shouldnt' retain it. The difference here is that the stolen information doesn't belong to them, but their customers. A company that doesn't protect their proprietary information isn't absolving a thief of their criminal act. The criminal still took something they knew didn't belong to them.
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Mad Mac
join:2003-03-10
Moorpark, CA | reply to Bit
Re: Should have loser pays in every country
I wonder what those ever-benevolent souls, Paul David Hewson and Robert Frederick Zenon Geldof, will have to say about the activities of the government of their native land in regard to this matter? I'll let you know when I hear anything..... |
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jkeelsnc
join:2008-08-22
Boone, NC
| MPAA, RIAA, etc
Well, none of this surprises me. They always waste our tax money trying to litigate nonsense. I think the answer is that they should be told off and further more if the had ANY BUSINESS ACUMEN they would be working to spend their money to come up with a viable online business model that is responsive to customer needs. Instead they kick and whine like babies and waste time in courts.
Well, these morons need to get back to the board room and figure out how to restructure their business to adapt to the new world of technology and the internet. Hopefully, the door doesn't hit them in the A$$ on the way out. |
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