chronoss2009
join:2008-09-23 | ya ok google
blah blah blah
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dlewis23
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There really isn't anything that wrong with the way the internet works at the moment, if you really want to "speed things up" you have to improve the browser and get people to update from IE6. |
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wifi4milez
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| said by dlewis23  :There really isn't anything that wrong with the way the internet works at the moment, if you really want to "speed things up" you have to improve the browser and get people to update from IE6. Google does have their own browser (called Chrome), and they claim its much faster than IE. |
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Smith6612
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Re: ya ok google
Google already has their own global network. They just won't sell it to anyone since it's used for their servers only to link up with backbone providers and ISPs such as Level3.
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Re: Improve the Browser First!
said by wifi4milez :said by dlewis23 :There really isn't anything that wrong with the way the internet works at the moment, if you really want to "speed things up" you have to improve the browser and get people to update from IE6. Google does have their own browser (called Chrome), and they claim its much faster than IE. It is for certain things, but the barrier to speed right now is that Javascript can't take advantage of multiple CPU cores, which is a killer. So if you have an AJAX (the J is for Javascript) application running in a browser, it's limited to a single CPU core. AJAX heavy apps will frequently max out a single core of my Q9300 (2.5GHz) quad-core and cause everything else the app is trying to do to have to wait. So the network isn't the bottleneck quite yet.
The move to multiple, but lower clocked, CPU cores is a hinderance to AJAX performance as for ideal AJAX performance, you want as high a clock speed as possible. |
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baineschile
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Sterling Heights, MI | reply to chronoss2009
Re: ya ok google
Google wants unlimtied bandwidth available; just so long they have the advertising rights along those lines. |
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BBBanditRuR
join:2009-06-02
Parachute, CO | reply to Matt
Re: Improve the Browser First!
You hit the nail on the head. With x64 + Dual Cores + a (logically) infinite capacity for processing power in the future, we're seeing programming falling behind the architecture. Javascript is definitely showing it's age. |
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AJAX heavy apps will frequently max out a single core of my Q9300 (2.5GHz) quad-core and cause everything else the app is trying to do to have to wait. True, although at the moment I like that "feature". On my quad core PC, the last thing I want is a single browser window containing some poorly written, buggy advertising code hogging up the whole machine.
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tschmidt
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said by dlewis23 :There really isn't anything that wrong with the way the internet works at the moment, if you really want to "speed things up" you have to improve the browser These are two separate issues.
As Matt posted improving browser performance will improve performance of compute intensive applications but it does nothing to improve the ability of the network to deliver the bits.
Improving delivery speed opens the door to new Internet applications that are not possible at slower speed.
/tom
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Matt
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said by djrobx :AJAX heavy apps will frequently max out a single core of my Q9300 (2.5GHz) quad-core and cause everything else the app is trying to do to have to wait. True, although at the moment I like that "feature". On my quad core PC, the last thing I want is a single browser window containing some poorly written, buggy advertising code hogging up the whole machine. There is that unintentional side benefit, but I don't think that should hold back Javascript from being able to take advantage of multiple cores. There are other ways to fix buggy adverts.
You know, this is a case where I think someone should grab Javascript, standards be damned, fork it, make it multi-core aware and then submit the spec back to the standards body. As it stands right now, there is SPECULATION that Javascript 3 will be able to take advantage of multi-cores, but Javascript 2 hasn't even been widly adopted yet. So who knows how far out on the horizon an efficient, powerful multi-core Javascript version actually is. |
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avd706
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wifi4milez
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said by djrobx :AJAX heavy apps will frequently max out a single core of my Q9300 (2.5GHz) quad-core and cause everything else the app is trying to do to have to wait. True, although at the moment I like that "feature". On my quad core PC, the last thing I want is a single browser window containing some poorly written, buggy advertising code hogging up the whole machine. I disable Javascript for this very reason (well, that and the security issue). If I come to a site that requires Javascript for some functionality, I enable it just for that. Its amazing how much faster my computer "works" implementing this minor tweak.
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avd706
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Union, NJ | while you are reinventing the internet to make it faster
make it more secure too. thanks.
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Matt
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Re: Improve the Browser First!
said by avd706 :this is why chrome runs each tab as a thread Yes, but that still can't speed up an individual AJAX app. That only helps if you're running multiple AJAX applications. |
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avd706
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| said by Matt :said by avd706 :this is why chrome runs each tab as a thread Yes, but that still can't speed up an individual AJAX app. That only helps if you're running multiple AJAX applications. agreed....
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dlewis23
join:2005-04-18
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said by tschmidt :Improving delivery speed opens the door to new Internet applications that are not possible at slower speed. /tom But for the most part now servers are connected at 100 Mbps minimum. And when with people now having 10 Mbps + at home the speed is there. The browser can't render it fast enough to take full advantage of what the connection can give the browser.
Google maps is the perfect example the server can push it, the user can download it, but the browser can't render it fast enough to keep up with the connection. There getting better with Safari 4 and Chrome. But they still aren't fast enough. |
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Exactly, in addition to going to college full time, To pay the bills I do computer support/repair and, you would not believe how many IE6's I have come across. I switch them all to Firefox with all of the plug ins & ad block +
(Actually anything is better then I.E...) |
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avd706
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said by dlewis23 :But for the most part now servers are connected at 100 Mbps minimum. And when with people now having 10 Mbps + at home the speed is there. The browser can't render it fast enough to take full advantage of what the connection can give the browser. Never heard of compression, overhead and latency.
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FastiBook
join:2003-01-08
Newtown, PA | reply to Matt
Flash & java are huge cpu hogs, they need to be refined & not used as widely, especially in ads. Load a page, have computer act like it came from 1992 from cpu lag.
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Matt
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| said by FastiBook :Flash & java are huge cpu hogs, they need to be refined & not used as widely, especially in ads. Load a page, have computer act like it came from 1992 from cpu lag. - A It's not the computer itself that is brought to it's knees, but rather the browser since most older browsers are ALSO not multi-core aware. |
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