Juan Valdez
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Missoula, MT | Good times
Does "the majority" only extend to everyone in the conference room at RIAA headquarters?
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Ontario, CA | Richard Marx
Richard Marx finally released something worth hearing.
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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1 edit |  What a crock
The only reason the jury awarded them that much is because the defendant turned the trial into a complete farce. From what I read of her defense, I can't honestly say I wouldn't have done the same thing to dissuade someone who was so obviously guilty from tying up not only the courts time, but for wasting taxpayer dollars.
Edit to add that I've sat on the jury through a trial where a corporation did the same thing to an individual. It was obvious they were at fault, yet they thought they could bully the defendant into paying a bogus fee. We denied their claim and awarded the defendant a rather large sum of money to penalize the corporation and prevent them from attempting to bully an individual in the future. The difference was he wasn't guilty and she is. |
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ISurfTooMuch
join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL
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Re: Richard Marx
Agreed. I never cared for his music, but I have respect for the fact that he seems to "get it" regarding how the business abuses consumers.
Of course, what is he doing about it? I don't know if he's still releasing albums, but if he is, are they coming from a major label? |
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badtrip
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Albany, CA
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3 edits | Statistics
This group of 12 Minnesotans showed us that, despite the protestations of some pundits who suggest that the digital world should resemble some kind of new wild west, the majority understands and believes that the same laws and rules we follow every day apply online. Not just in theory, but in practice. Another group of 12 people presented with similar questions said the same thing two years ago. That makes a sample size of only 24, but it’s certainly enough to learn from.
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The guy/gal who said this needs to go back and take a high school statistics class. If anyone believes that inference based on the opinions of two juries not chosen by random is a complete idiot in regard to statistics.
As a matter of fact, a course in basic statistics should be required to graduate from high school so people have less of a chance for falling for this bowl of cowshit.
Edit: The guy's name is Joshua Friedlander. I would like his email address so I can send him this link:
»www.stat.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/co···t=SU&c=L
Edit Edit: Wow this guy is a real douche:
After graduating, Josh had the good fortune to combine his great loves of music and law enforcement (as well as micro management of small details) into the director of research at the Recording Industry Association of American... the notorious R.I.A.A. He has not been warmly welcomed on college campuses ever since. Through a few years of hard work, free concerts, lunchtime events with Capital Hill hobnobbers and "staff retreats" involving posh resorts and tennis matches, Josh was promoted to VP of Research.
»www.rebeccaandjosh.net/aboutUs.html |
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winsyrstrife
River City Bounce
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alright then, if the majority (the jurors involved in the recent trials) agree that your legal practices are acceptable, then I can also say that since 1 person (Richard Marx) objects vocally, the majority of musicians/songwriters you claim to represent find your actions reprehensible.
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ISurfTooMuch
join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL | reply to badtrip
Re: Statistics
Oh, they probably understand this just fine. It's called spin. If you repeat the same talking points enough, maybe someone will believe them.
I really have no idea why this is even news. |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey | There needs to be a boycott
There needs to be serious boycott of the industry. But youth culture, and the mtvers, wouldnt do it for the little discomfort it proposes. I havent bought cd since 2002, and i think everyone else should do the same. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
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Re: Richard Marx
said by ISurfTooMuch  :Agreed. I never cared for his music, but I have respect for the fact that he seems to "get it" regarding how the business abuses consumers. Of course, what is he doing about it? I don't know if he's still releasing albums, but if he is, are they coming from a major label Not only that he certainly accepts those royalty checks from the RIAA. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
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Re: There needs to be a boycott
said by DaveNJ :There needs to be serious boycott of the industry. they already do by illegally downloading songs for the last decade or so hence why we have stupid as trials like this. |
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ISurfTooMuch
join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL
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Hard to know how many would or wouldn't, but it can't hurt to try. Of course, the first thing you need to figure out is why you want to boycott them. Is it for going after file sharers, producing crappy albums, taking advantage of musicians, or all of the above? |
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badtrip
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1 edit | reply to DaveNJ
said by DaveNJ :There needs to be serious boycott of the industry. But youth culture, and the mtvers, wouldnt do it for the little discomfort it proposes. I havent bought cd since 2002, and i think everyone else should do the same. I haven't bought a RIAA CD since Napster. Keep in mind, I never actually installed Napster on my computer but when I'd go to lan parties (hehe before broadband), all these folks would have Napster and tons of music on shared drives. That's precisely when my musical taste shifted from "classic rock" and corporate rock to more independent music like ska and punk.
Hmm, now that I think about it, there may be a correlation between P2P music sharing and RIAA loss in sales. Except not the correlation they'd like you to believe... |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
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Re: There needs to be a boycott
said by ISurfTooMuch :Hard to know how many would or wouldn't, but it can't hurt to try. Of course, the first thing you need to figure out is why you want to boycott them. Is it for going after file sharers, producing crappy albums, taking advantage of musicians, or all of the above? "taking advantage of musicians"
I think the muscians can take care of themselves. Why boycott on that premise? Anyone that boycots or illegally downloads based on that is either a liar or stupid.
besides they are hardly taken advantage of. How many MILLIONS of dollars do they get upfront? How many MILLIONS are spent producing an album with no guarantee it will sell? Funny when a label asks for some of it's expenses back they are somehow fucking over artists. |
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ISurfTooMuch
join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL
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It may also have something to do with the rise of broadband Internet access. Before then, many people discovered music on the radio, and, way back when there were still good stations, that worked decently well. But now, with stations all playing extremely tight formats with little local control over playlists, radio is a virtual wasteland. But the Internet has allowed many people to learn about music they wouldn't have heard of otherwise, either through P2P or Web sites. |
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Eat Me
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Re: Richard Marx
said by BF69 :said by ISurfTooMuch :Agreed. I never cared for his music, but I have respect for the fact that he seems to "get it" regarding how the business abuses consumers. Of course, what is he doing about it? I don't know if he's still releasing albums, but if he is, are they coming from a major label Not only that he certainly accepts those royalty checks from the RIAA. Well the man has to eat. |
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ninjatutle
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join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA
1 edit |  She fought the law....
I guess the law won. I hope she gets thrown out in the streets. |
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binded
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some one should hack there networks and put there dirty lil secrets out on the intetnet for all to see |
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Jason Levine
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join:2001-07-13
USA
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Re: There needs to be a boycott
Anyone who thinks they are boycotting the industry by illegally downloading/sharing songs is not boycotting the industry. All boycotters should *stop* sharing the recording industry's songs and stop illegally downloading them. Either you boycott their stuff and don't buy/download anything from them, or you aren't boycotting them.
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Jason Levine
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Most bands don't get millions up front. But of the money that does get upfront, the recording industry structures things so that the bands wind up in debt to the recording industry. Read "The Problem With Music" by Steve Albini for more information: »www.negativland.com/albini.html
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