Pizz
Hi
join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY
 ·Verizon Online DSL
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| It's because
The entire Candian Cable ISP industry, just does whatever it feels like doing. There's hardly any sort of competition up north, and the customers suffer. I'm all for ISPs to try and make money, but you should always been an opt-out of these type of services.
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backness
join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2 | Lets not forget that we pay heavily for this wonderful disservice.
As do the content creators. Why should Rogers get a free ride on my pipes? |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
·Optimum Online
| https
If more sites switched to https, then deep packet inspection and code injection would become moot. What is also scary is that the ISP's could actually alter the contents of a website to present misinformation. It might be extreme but I could imagine an ISP someday filtering negative comments about them from various websites such as this one and injecting only happy messages.
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·RoadRunner Cable
 ·BroadVoice
| reply to backness
Re: It's because
said by backness  :Lets not forget that we pay heavily for this wonderful disservice. As do the content creators. Why should Rogers get a free ride on my pipes? This only happens to Rogers subscribers while they are using their home connection. So the 'pipes' already belong to Rogers, and they are simply using them to notify you of various things. You wont be at a friends house using Vidoetron and see these 'notices', this is only happening on their network.
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ | And you can block their msgs using FF & adblock plus
Use Firefox browser with the AdBlock Plus addon and you can block their msgs if they are annoying. |
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backness
join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2
| reply to wifi4milez
Re: It's because
Acutally,
The person who is PAYING the BILL is Provisioning the service. I.E. the Content Creator and the Content Reciever. This means that Rogers is using my rented communication channel to pass on THIER corporate proaganda.
So yes I would say they are sending out this data at the expense of the consumer and the originator of the content |
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r81984
Fair and Balanced
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join:2001-11-14
St John'S, NL
·magicjack.com
·Cox HSI
·Insight Communicat..
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to Pizz
said by Pizz :The entire Candian Cable ISP industry, just does whatever it feels like doing. There's hardly any sort of competition up north, and the customers suffer. I'm all for ISPs to try and make money, but you should always been an opt-out of these type of services. We do not have competition in the US either.
If we do not do something now with laws to prevent this type of crap then the US will become just like Canada.
ISPs that have video and phone services will limit their internet connections to protect those services and they will do anything to make more money if we do not stop them now.
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SuperWISP
join:2007-04-17
Laramie, WY
| No need for "deep packet inspection"
Eeeek! Oh, noooooo! The e-vile bogeyman of "deep packet inspection" emerges from the swamp once again!
Folks, let's get real. First of all, there's no such thing as "deep packet inspection." Packets have no depth; they're one-dimensional strings of bits. And no one is "inspecting" the packets; a machine is gathering statistics on them.
Finally, insertion of information in a Web browser window can be done with a simple transparent Web cache. And it's no more obtrusive than the ads which Juno (for example) used to put in your browser window. Only in this case, the messages aren't ads but useful information about your service! Absolutely nothing wrong with that. |
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zalternate
join:2007-02-22
BC
·TELUS
| HAcking
What Rogers is doing is a form of Hacking. Others go to jail if caught.
Rogers on the other hand, just gives a bigger tip to their multiple seats that they own in the government of Canada.
Censorship runs rapid in Canada. So carriers like Rogers could easily remove content on Iran or North Korea. Or even stories about how Rogers is hacking conten
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clickie
join:2005-05-22
Monroe, MI
| reply to SuperWISP
Re: No need for "deep packet inspection"
"Useful" is a pretty vague term, don't you think? Usually these things start out only as "informational" and then rapidly descend into outright channels for paid advertising.
No one should be changing the content in any respect of any web site they do not own. Period. |
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El Quintron
Could you spare a consulting gig?
join:2008-04-28
Etobicoke, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Acanac
| reply to SuperWISP
Sorry bud, but I don't want "useful information" from my ISP. Myself and other concerned Canadians, (who have legitimate concerns about this issue) don't feel this type of obstruction should be permitted.
I don't care if they're doing it via proxy, or DPI...
The ISP is getting paid to provide internet nothing else. It shouldn't be interfearing with website's business models or my mine.
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NetAdmin
CCNA
join:2008-05-22
| reply to SuperWISP
said by SuperWISP :Folks, let's get real. First of all, there's no such thing as "deep packet inspection." Packets have no depth; they're one-dimensional strings of bits. And no one is "inspecting" the packets; a machine is gathering statistics on them. Wow, someone doesn't seem to know what he is talking about. Deep packet inspection refers to examine the content of the payload field of an IP packet as opposed to the traditional examination of the source, destination, port and protocol fields.
And the "inspection" in DPI has nothing to do with people looking at the data.
Sheesh.
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El Quintron
Could you spare a consulting gig?
join:2008-04-28
Etobicoke, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Acanac
| said by NetAdmin :Wow, someone doesn't seem to know what he is talking about. The problem is he does know what he's talking about, it's called spin and it's something he accuses everybody else but himself of doing.
Some business owners on these boards seem to think their responsibilities include snooping into the private business of their clients, and making sure their clients don't access materials that they find morally offensive either.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to backness
Re: It's because
What does your "lease" state regarding what the network owner can and can't do on your rented connection? |
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backness
join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2
| Well lets see,
If I rent a house I have rights, If I subscribe to a phone I have rights,
Why would I have none with Robbers? The issue is, that once you "lease/Rent" something to someone you lose the "right" to do whatever you like with it. So why should the network message sent at my expense (60$) month save Rogers the money for a stamp and the overhead of delivering the message? This is especially true when they clamp down on the network with silly over charges and Usage Based Billing.
Why should broadband be different? |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| The lease for your house states what you can/can't do as well as the responsibilities and rights of your landlord. The contract that you sign with a phone dictates your service rights as well as the network owner's rights and responsibilities. So, what does your broadband connection rental agreement state? |
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funchords
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join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
·Skype
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: And you can block their msgs using FF & adblock plus
said by TKJunkMail :Use Firefox browser with the AdBlock Plus addon and you can block their msgs if they are annoying. If you don't use the Internet, you can block their messages, too.
What's the point?
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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| said by funchords :said by TKJunkMail :Use Firefox browser with the AdBlock Plus addon and you can block their msgs if they are annoying. If you don't use the Internet, you can block their messages, too. What's the point? The point is to not be annoyed. And not using the internet at all isn't a good option. What was the point of your post? None that I can see.
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
·Verizon FIOS
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·RoadRunner Cable
·BroadVoice
| reply to backness
Re: It's because
said by backness :Well lets see, If I rent a house I have rights, If I subscribe to a phone I have rights, Why would I have none with Robbers? The issue is, that once you "lease/Rent" something to someone you lose the "right" to do whatever you like with it. Your above statement is very misguided. When you rent a car/house you are given rights above and beyond a bystander on the street. HOWEVER, as that property doesnt actually belong to you the rights you have are FAR different than a person who actually owns the asset.
If you think renting a house is the same as owning, try telling your landlord they cant enter the premises to fix a broken water line (or something like that). You will quickly find yourself on the corner searching through the classified ads for a new place!
Along those same lines, go rent a car from your local Hertz (or whatever equivalent you have in Canada). Then remove the rear seats, put 20 inch rims on it, paint it red, and try to return it.
You see, renting something gives you very little actually rights in the eyes of the law. Your rights are limited by the TOS that comes with every agreement you sign, and in 99.999999999% of cases it favors the asset owner (in this case the telco).
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funchords
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join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
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| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: And you can block their msgs using FF & adblock plus
said by TKJunkMail : What was the point of your post? None that I can see. My point is that I shouldn't have to combat the improper behavior of my ISP. It should just stay out of my way. I shouldn't have to change anything.
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