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The sooner we realize that we are moving to a global economy and the money is no longer in manufacturing, the better off we'll be. This is why we need investment in math and science, we're never again going to be able to compete in the manufacturing sector like we did post-WWII. It's time to move on. |
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Could this really be done using ONLY American made products?
This just goes to show how F-ing stupid these people really are. Even American flags are made in China...
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Tell that to China who is pushing "Buy China" in their own stimulus plans.
It seems that the US is the only one worried about participating in the "global" economy. Everyone else is looking out for their own best interests and if it fits the "global" equation so be it and if it doesn't, so be it.
We will never "compete" with the slave wages, zero environmental regulations, lower taxes and near-zero regulatory burden companies face overseas. The 'big sucking sound' is the reality of the global economy bitch slapping the US into 3rd world status. -- POKE 65495,1 |
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and cheaper. I mean, that's why these companies are in other countries. Because it's so much cheaper for them to be there.
I don't support rewarding their shortsightedness by opening up stimulus to them just because "global economy" blah blah blah. They made their choice on where to locate factories and now they have to live with the consequences. |
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1 edit | Which is why "stimulus" is horsecrap
There is nothing stimulating about these pork bills. It is paybacks to public employee unions and giveaways to foreign companies who make the products going into these projects. Joe Taxpayer ain't gettin' nothin' but the bill.
Meanwhile we have quadrupled out deficit spending and will double the national debt within a decade with the result being debt service costs that will bankrupt us.
We were told if we passed this insane pork spending, unemployment would be halted at below 9%. Now we are at 9.4% quickly heading toward 10%.
Our problems were caused by excessive debt and over-leveraging. Doing more of the same isn't going to fix it. ALL it will result in is INSANE debt and hyper inflation.
You want the rest of the nation is total fiscal collapse like Kauleefournya...keep spending asswipes. -- POKE 65495,1 |
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Hard to do that when that is exactly what is getting cut from state budgets, higher college tution fees, not to mention we don't make anything now a days. We import everything from kids toys to software engineers. What was the blazing road to the future is now a fading memory of the past. |
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| reply to Matt Well, you should be happy. The cap-and-trade bill should be the coup-de-grace to American manufacturing. Also electrical power generation. I'm not sure what good math and science will do, perhaps we can export engineers to countries which still can make things? |
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Exactly. The whole point of "stimulus" is to stimulate the US economy and help AMERICAN workers. Not a SINGLE penny should find its way overseas.
The second that dollar leaves it is gone. In the US it is cycled through our system over and over (trickle down actually works) and every time a dollar changes hands, the government gets a cut in taxes. It doesn't take too many exchanges for the government to get their money "back", this engine fueled by the value of labor exerted by workers.
And if the WTO wants to bitch that our government is finally taking the side of the American worker, we should leave the WTO. -- POKE 65495,1 |
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said by Bit :Tell that to China who is pushing "Buy China" in their own stimulus plans. It seems that the US is the only one worried about participating in the "global" economy. Everyone else is looking out for their own best interests and if it fits the "global" equation so be it and if it doesn't, so be it. We will never "compete" with the slave wages, zero environmental regulations, lower taxes and near-zero regulatory burden companies face overseas. The 'big sucking sound' is the reality of the global economy bitch slapping the US into 3rd world status. Whenever there is a paradigm shift in the GDP of a country, there is a period of recession as the new model really gets rolling. China can do whatever they want and I don't blame them for pushing "Buy China." How many times have I been called unpatriotic for not buying an American made car because I wanted something reliable? The fact is, we do it too.
So, let China keep their low-wage manufacturing while we create high-paying science and technology jobs. They can continue to make products that are, as Apple puts it, "Designed in California, Made in China" That arrangement works out rather well for us. |
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| reply to Matt I agree completely.
People NEED to realize that DESIGN and MANUFACTURE are 2 mostly independent tasks. The 'nothing is made in america' excuse is pretty lame as to why you can't design stuff. Take a look around, there are companies out that design products within one country and then mass produce it in other(s)
When it comes to a global economy and global competition, people have to options: adapt and compete or cry. |
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| reply to Matt said by Matt :So, let China keep their low-wage manufacturing while we create high-paying science and technology jobs. They can continue to make products that are, as Apple puts it, "Designed in California, Made in China" That arrangement works out rather well for us. Works out just fine, as long as they don't cut us off.
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| reply to Matt What high paying science and technology jobs? Thanks to H1b even work done in the US is done at substandard wages because what jobs aren't outsourced, we bring in immigrants to depress our wages.
You have NO economy without a large manufacturing base, period. It is manufacturing, not design, that drives an economy. -- POKE 65495,1 |
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said by Bit :There is nothing stimulating about these pork bills. It is paybacks to public employee unions and giveaways to foreign companies who make the products going into these projects. Joe Taxpayer ain't gettin' nothin' but the bill. Meanwhile we have quadrupled out deficit spending and will double the national debt within a decade with the result being debt service costs that will bankrupt us. We were told if we passed this insane pork spending, unemployment would be halted at below 9%. Now we are at 9.4% quickly heading toward 10%. Our problems were caused by excessive debt and over-leveraging. Doing more of the same isn't going to fix it. ALL it will result in is INSANE debt and hyper inflation. You want the rest of the nation is total fiscal collapse like Kauleefournya...keep spending asswipes. I agree completely with what you said, but I think its already too late. The crushing amount of debt this country is in is almost impossible to fathom. -- "Don't steal. The government hates competition." Beyond AM. Beyond FM. XM |
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The third option is to no encourage policy that makes it easier to conduct business outside the US and encourage policy that makes it easier to manufacture in the US.
Instead of FLOGGING US manufacturers with endless taxes and job killing regulation, how about we ease those burdens so they can put more people to work.
A design only economy is not sustainable. There simply aren't enough design jobs. Ongoing manufacturing is what sustains an economy. Supply a man a fish and you have a fishing job for life. Teach the man to fish and you are unemployed as soon as you are done teaching. -- POKE 65495,1 |
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| reply to russotto said by russotto : I'm not sure what good math and science will do, perhaps we can export engineers to countries which still can make things? Beautiful theory except that the U.S. is the only country on the planet that allows anything that washes up on its shores/sneaks over its borders to stay there and finance it indefinitely on the taxpayers dime. Any other country has stringent education and age criteria that be must met in order to emmigrate or you get tossed on your ass back to your country of origin. And rightfully so...the rest of the world has realized that a parasite is a parasite and won't subsidize. Except the U.S. We finance all parasites because the corporations want cheap labor.  -- The Toll
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1 edit | reply to Matt said by Matt :The sooner we realize that we are moving to a global economy and the money is no longer in manufacturing, the better off we'll be. You can't have a major economy without manufacturing...you can't even have a middlel class without manufacturing. Without manufacturing we become a service sector nation, with wages that compete on a global scale, or to be specific, Chinese wages. Those that push a global economy can only look at themselves when taxes go through the roof for subsidies for Americans to have homes, healthcare, and services. The Chinese have been subsidizing thier own manufacturing through manipulation of the yuan, lowering the value of the dollar in China. Asian Steel Companies have flooded the market with cheaper low grade steel killing the US steel manufacturers. And you want to apease these same countries by saying "we're moving on"? The Chinese have actively been in a trade war with the US for over a decade......and typical of US policy, we won't act until it's too late. -- BF69~~~Please stop suffocating gerbils! |
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