fcisler
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join:2004-06-14
Riverhead, NY
| just crazy....
Everyone gets government money, yet the average joe struggles.
They take a fantastic idea - "Hey, what broadband options can i get in zipcode XXXXX" - and award it to "front" of large corporations.
So as long as AT&T serves ONE customer in that ZIP are they covered? Did they ever come up with criteria for the mapping?
Oh wait...we still consider what, 200kb? broadband.
What a shame./// |
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
 ·Comcast Workplace
·Comcast
2 edits | its called Hope and Change (you hope that the change you see isn't real)
and its got accountability and transparency
(so accountable that they will count every dollar they take, just won't tell anyone about)
(so transparant that you won't even see whats coming, till you hit the window) |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
·Comcast
| And this was supposed to be different?
I think we should just have the execs over at Time Warner tell us what we need. Then I could just unplug immediately rather than watch this dog and pony show from the gov't. for a couple of years.
Actually, this would be an interesting senior project for someone with a network administration major. This wouldn't be too hard to map. Using these clowns is insulting to the tax payers....which there are increasingly less of!
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
 ·North State Commun..
|  Mapping
Has anyone looked at the Connected Nation maps? They aren't as bad nor as dire as this guy says. Sure the OTHER maps are better, but the Connected Nation maps are very similar to the other maps, they just don't differentiate Cable or DSL. So, while I feel accuracy is very important, the sky is certainly not falling. Let's worry about getting broadband to those "white" areas on the Connected Nation map and then we can tackle what type it is. |
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ropeguru
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join:2001-01-25
Bridgeport, WV
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1 edit | said by Matt  :Has anyone looked at the Connected Nation maps? They aren't as bad nor as dire as this guy says. Sure the OTHER maps are better, but the Connected Nation maps are very similar to the other maps, they just don't differentiate Cable or DSL. So, while I feel accuracy is very important, the sky is certainly not falling. Let's worry about getting broadband to those "white" areas on the Connected Nation map and then we can tackle what type it is. But as stated, how do we verify the data is accurate and true? Given the way the things are setup there will be no accountability and no way to ensure that what they are telling us is the truth.
Sure, give me $350 million dollars and all your dreams will come true. Trust me!! |
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jay_rm
join:2002-04-12
Netville
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·ViaTalk
| Ugh
..taken from legislation sponsored by Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) Say no more. Another on-the-take senator from our presidents home state(-of-corruption).
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| reply to Matt
Re: Mapping
said by Matt :Has anyone looked at the Connected Nation maps? They aren't as bad nor as dire as this guy says. Sure the OTHER maps are better, but the Connected Nation maps are very similar to the other maps, they just don't differentiate Cable or DSL. So, while I feel accuracy is very important, the sky is certainly not falling. Let's worry about getting broadband to those "white" areas on the Connected Nation map and then we can tackle what type it is. you miss the point entirely - the purpose of connected nation is to ENSURE accurate mapping data IS NOT AVAILABLE.
sure, they put out what looks like reasonable maps, but who's to know? they make sure the data is proprietary so it can't be verified because you can't see the raw data.
why are they doing this? because they don't want people to see how many "holes" there are in the U.S. broadband map. If the true state of broadband competition in the U.S. (little to no competition) were known, the FCC, BY LAW, would be obligated to take significant measures.
hide the facts and you can make up your own story. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| reply to ropeguru
said by ropeguru :said by Matt :Has anyone looked at the Connected Nation maps? They aren't as bad nor as dire as this guy says. Sure the OTHER maps are better, but the Connected Nation maps are very similar to the other maps, they just don't differentiate Cable or DSL. So, while I feel accuracy is very important, the sky is certainly not falling. Let's worry about getting broadband to those "white" areas on the Connected Nation map and then we can tackle what type it is. But as stated, how do we verify the data is accurate and true? Given the way the things are setup there will be no accountability and no way to ensure that what they are telling us is the truth. Sure, give me $350 million dollars and all your dreams will come true. Trust me!! I don't think it's coincidental that Connected Nations map matched the independent 3rd party ... I think that's a pretty decent sign it is accurate. The author also holds up e-NC as some sort of AT&T conspiracy. The e-NC data didn't solely rely on AT&T's word as he would have you believe. As denoted right in the bottom of the e-NC maps, which I'm sure he actually looked at, right?
Broadband service percentages presented were derived from e-NC’s analysis of data from providers, census tract data, cable and DSL service areas, and interpolation of all such data. Composite percentages are not averages of Broadband service providers' percentages.
In other words, we didn't just take what AT&T told us at face value, we actually did the legwork to verify it and compare it to other data. |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
·Comcast
| reply to jay_rm
Re: Ugh
said by jay_rm :..taken from legislation sponsored by Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) Say no more. Another on-the-take senator from our presidents home state(-of-corruption). Holding a grudge because you're not getting a slice?
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to ropeguru
Re: Mapping
said by ropeguru :how do we verify the data is accurate and true? Given the way the things are setup there will be no accountability and no way to ensure that what they are telling us is the truth. And your proposal? Have a person go to every physical address in the country and ask "can you hear me now?" Don't we need to start somewhere, then evaluate the system before casting stones?" Besides, almost anything will be an improvement from the current mapping tactics. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| reply to nasadude
Re: Mapping
said by nasadude :you miss the point entirely - the purpose of connected nation is to ENSURE accurate mapping data IS NOT AVAILABLE. sure, they put out what looks like reasonable maps, but who's to know? they make sure the data is proprietary so it can't be verified because you can't see the raw data. As I said in my other post, I find it ironic that they accurately match the maps the author used as an example. I don't think I'm missing the point here. Until I'm shown more than anecdotal, heavily opinionated evidence, I'll form my own opinion based on the facts as they have been presented to me. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Suckers
Why are people complaining? Most of the usual suspects on this website wanted more than anything for taxpayer dollars to go towards mapping of broadband and now they are getting their wish!
You people ought to be rejoicing, not whining! 
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DataDoc
My avatar looks like me, if I was 2D.
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join:2000-05-14
Greenville, NC | I give up.
Spend all you want, I don't have any more money. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| reply to nasadude
Re: Mapping
said by nasadude :said by Matt :Has anyone looked at the Connected Nation maps? They aren't as bad nor as dire as this guy says. Sure the OTHER maps are better, but the Connected Nation maps are very similar to the other maps, they just don't differentiate Cable or DSL. So, while I feel accuracy is very important, the sky is certainly not falling. Let's worry about getting broadband to those "white" areas on the Connected Nation map and then we can tackle what type it is. you miss the point entirely - the purpose of connected nation is to ENSURE accurate mapping data IS NOT AVAILABLE. A respected authority that disagrees with the accusations against Connected Nation:
»www.publicknowledge.org/node/133···ment-974
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older dog
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join:2005-06-09
Norwich, NY
1 edit | reply to Matt
said by Matt :I don't think it's coincidental that Connected Nations map matched the independent 3rd party ... I think that's a pretty decent sign it is accurate. I have no reason to suspect the present data anymore or less than future reports they may give.
But a corporation has no morality or soul and what it may present honestly today can change with the wind.
The more independent voices that can be brought in to the mix the better.
I don't see Connected Nation as an independent voice but a potentially very deceptive one. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| said by older dog :said by Matt :I don't think it's coincidental that Connected Nations map matched the independent 3rd party ... I think that's a pretty decent sign it is accurate. I have no reason to suspect the present data anymore or less than future reports they may give. But a corporation has no morality or soul and what it may present honestly today can change with the wind. The more independent voices that can be brought in to the mix the better. I agree with that, which is why the assertion that Connected Nation and AT&T are somehow in collusion, and e-NC is evidence of that baffles me. I think the author of the original piece had an idea of the conclusion he wanted to make and assembled information around it that "sort of" supported his position.
From what I have seen, I do believe Connected Nation may have a suspect connection to AT&T. But also from what I have seen, Connected Nation's maps match the independent 3rd party maps. So rather than blast Connected Nation and attempt to dismantle them, how about we lobby and push for independent 3rd party reviews on a set timetable? I'm sure that is something that everyone, AT&T included, would be happy to agree to. If not, then perhaps there is something worth looking into. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| reply to Matt
my understanding is that connected nation will not allow independent verification of the data used to make the maps; this assumes, of course, this is not just an anecdotal, heavily opinionated pronouncement.
if you can explain to me why this is so and what purpose it serves, I will concede connected nation must not be as "evil" as I think it is.
if you repeat the arguments already put forth (proprietary, competition sensitive, etc.), you're not going to sway me one bit. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| reply to nasadude
said by nasadude :the purpose of connected nation is to ENSURE accurate mapping data IS NOT AVAILABLE. That is silly. ISPs already make these data widely available to the public. I can ruin this thread if you like by posting the links again.
said by nasadude :sure, they put out what looks like reasonable maps, but who's to know? they make sure the data is proprietary so it can't be verified because you can't see the raw data. What is stopping you from finding a location that Connected Nation claims can get broadband and then verifying that address with the ISPs which are claimed to provide service?
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Simba7
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | Individual Study..
Why not all of us find out the coverage for our areas and submit it to a website or forum?
I can find out quickly here in Montana where BB is available. |
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