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Comments on news posted 2009-07-16 19:19:41: • FCC Considers Propping Up Old School Journalism, As Copps Blames The Internet And Bloggers [techdirt.com] • Kyocera advancement could mean better wireless Internet [gadgetell. ..

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How Much Does It Really Cost to Own a Smartphone?

The article may be misleading, or at least has the potential for being misinterpreted.

$3,800 over two years?

Where the heck did they get those numbers from? Are they assuming the grand total, and making assumptions about what voice plans the customers will have?

Using the $3,800 figure, if you assume that the device will cost $500, then that means $137.50 per month for the service plan. If you assume a tax rate of 22% (because of taxes and fees), it comes out to about $112.70 before taxes. That sounds more like a grand total monthly cost.

A better measure is to consider the cost difference between a basic voice plan, and having a smartphone with a data plan.

The most basic voice plan is $40/mo., for an individual phone, the fewest number of minutes, and no extra options.

If you consider a mobile phone to be a necessity, or that you will have one anyway no matter what, then it's pointless to consider that cost. It makes more sense to consider the difference. Plus, consider the fact that most likely, most people don't have the smallest plan available.

A better measure is to consider this:

One time cost:

(Cost of smart phone) - (Cost of regular or simple phone) = One time cost difference.

On-going/Monthly Cost:

Just the cost of the data plan, which is usually $30 or so. Let's knock it up to $35 due to taxes, fees, and the like.

Add up the costs of the data plan over two years, and using the $35 price point, the total cost is $840. Add the cost of even the most expensive smart phone (lets say, $500), and the total ($1,340) is a far cry from $3,800.


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My Sprint Palm Pre smartphone ran $200 and hits $85/mo for full unlimited data everything with taxes & fees. Total cost of ownership for 2 years then only comes to (24x85)+200= $2240

My old voice only Verizon plan ran $55/mo with taxes and fees and no charge for the phone. (24x55)= $1320

So by switching to a smartphone, it costs me an extra $920 over 2 years or $38.33/month.

That seems pretty reasonable to me.
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 RE:FCC Considers Propping Up Old School Journalism

The FCC's Copps is an idiot.
»www.cnsnews.com/public/Content/A···id=50761
Copps blamed the Internet for what he saw as journalism’s decline, adding that consolidation and “mindless” deregulation of media ownership was undermining democracy.

“We're not only losing journalists, we may be losing journalism,” he said. “Some blame the Internet and bloggers, and that's certainly a part of the story.

“The public interest standard is like a grand old theater that has been badly neglected over the years,” he said. “The structure is sound, and with a little imagination and a lot of hard work we can make it a showplace once again.
But the newspaper industry has their own idea on how to stop the bleeding - start charging to access the news on the internet:
»www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2···-a-year/
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Apple's panties in bunch over Microsoft ads

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Can dish it out but can't take it - check!


The ads by MS are working and that is why Apple is squealing like a pig with an apple in its mouth. Apple has dropped from 4th to 5th in computer sales in the U.S the last qtr.
»www.electronista.com/articles/09···q2.2009/
The Mac producer is expected to have dropped from fourth place in the winter to fifth in the spring as it should have shipped 12.4 percent fewer computers than it did a year earlier, falling to 1.21 million Macs.

Overall, the country's computer business will have shrunk about 3 percent compared to a year earlier.
So computer sales overall in U.S. down 3%, but Apple down 12.4%.
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Wireless plans here are way, way too expensive. The prices that AT&T and Verizon charge for their special access lines is marked up so high no one can compete and must charge the same inflated prices AT&T and Verizon do. This is similar to what Bell has been doing with their wholesale ISP landline customers in Canada.

In South Korea plans start at $10/month. A family plan for voice and data will max out at $60/month. The wireless industry is extremely competitive there. The government, very concerned for the status and well-being of its populace, makes sure the competitive nature of the industry never stagnates through mergers and collusion, whether tacit or not.

It's just ridiculous how much the Big 3 have been allowed to abuse the entire population of America because the government for the past 8 years couldn't have cared less.

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Re: Apple's panties in bunch over Microsoft ads

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

So computer sales overall in U.S. down 3%, but Apple down 12.4%.
Or is the US PC market down 1.2%, Apple up 2.5%, still holding the 4th position, with a 8.7% market share?

We won't know for sure until Apple reports next week.


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It's true there hardware is to expensive and when Microsoft puts a partial truth ad out. (I like they guy who says its more about aesthetics then computing power) Apple panics after running some of their bs ads that sold macs.
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Re: RE:FCC Considers Propping Up Old School Journalism

The Internet may have exacerbated newspapers' decline, but it wasn't really the cause of it. A few decades back, newspapers decided to do less of their own investigative reporting and rely more on AP-type stories. This let them cut staff, reducing costs and increasing profits in the short term.

The problem now is that people see (via the Internet) that the same news story appears in many different papers across the country. So why buy a bunch of papers when one will have all the stories?

Sales go down and when they do, newspapers have been responding by cutting staff and relying even more on AP content. This, of course, makes less people buy the newspapers and the cycle continues on and on and on.

Toss in the immediacy of the Internet (you don't need to wait till "press time" to get a story out) and you have a recipe for disaster for newspapers. Free content online wasn't what killed them. Their own bad business decisions killed them. Free content online just helped speed it up a bit.
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RE: FCC Considers Propping Up Old School Journalism...

Copps has it right, and I couldn't agree more. More regulation is exactly what's needed in our news industry. Then perhaps people can get fair and balanced reporting of the news, not the left-wing anti-capitalism, pro-socialism drivel that's routinely spouted off on CNN, ABC, MSNBC, and the like.

Perhaps more regulation would have required ABC to label their special "conversation" with Obama about his idiotic health care plan what it actually was... in infomercial. (OK, truth be told, it was more like a dis-infomercial.)

Somehow, though, I doubt that such regulations will see their way into the mix with our current administration in charge. Regulations will more likely cover useless things that impinge upon our free speech rights, like forcing talk shows to be "two sided" and the like. (Regulations can be put in place to consider talk shows as "news shows", I suppose.)

I could also see the current FCC pushing for significant red tape barriers and some sort of licensure for bloggers... or at least those who post at places other than MoveOn and other radical sites. After all, this whole "free speech" thing is indeed a problem...

Can't have those pesky conservatives posting information on the interwebs, as they might confuse people and distract from the current administration's propaganda message. Oh well, our economy and nation is slowly becoming more and more owned by China, why not have a government that adopts similar policies too? How soon until we start seeing versions of "child safe filter" software being required on every computer sold in the US, under the old cock-and-bull guise of "think of the children"?
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Re: FCC Considers Propping Up Old School Journalism...

said by NOVA_Guy See Profile :

Copps has it right, and I couldn't agree more. More regulation is exactly what's needed in our news industry. Then perhaps people can get fair and balanced reporting of the news, not the left-wing anti-capitalism, pro-socialism drivel that's routinely spouted off on CNN, ABC, MSNBC, and the like.

Perhaps more regulation would have required ABC to label their special "conversation" with Obama about his idiotic health care plan what it actually was... in infomercial. (OK, truth be told, it was more like a dis-infomercial.)

Somehow, though, I doubt that such regulations will see their way into the mix with our current administration in charge. Regulations will more likely cover useless things that impinge upon our free speech rights, like forcing talk shows to be "two sided" and the like. (Regulations can be put in place to consider talk shows as "news shows", I suppose.)

I could also see the current FCC pushing for significant red tape barriers and some sort of licensure for bloggers... or at least those who post at places other than MoveOn and other radical sites. After all, this whole "free speech" thing is indeed a problem...

Can't have those pesky conservatives posting information on the interwebs, as they might confuse people and distract from the current administration's propaganda message. Oh well, our economy and nation is slowly becoming more and more owned by China, why not have a government that adopts similar policies too? How soon until we start seeing versions of "child safe filter" software being required on every computer sold in the US, under the old cock-and-bull guise of "think of the children"?
And like Fox News is fair and balanced? lol Give me a break, any show who has a guest on who calls for America to be attacked so it's citizens can "wake up" needs a reality check

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Re: Apple's panties in bunch over Microsoft ads

I'm not sure why Apple is so upset about these comparison ads. Their advertising focus has never really been on competitive pricing, and the price of their MacBook Pros have proven that for years. Apple's focus has primarily been where it should be: on providing users with a better overall computing experience. (I say this as someone who has feet planted in both the Mac and PC worlds-- PC power my network infrastructure and development environments at home, as well as work; my primary personal laptop is a MacBook Pro.)

I just figured that Microsoft's advertising strategy shifted with current events and the state of the economy. With everybody cutting prices, and Wal-Mart advertising about being able to save $100 a year on ice cream purchases, etc, it can only be assumed that overall we as a population have become more price sensitive. Add that to slumping PC sales, and the thought that buying a new PC is more a luxury than a necessity (assuming you already own one), and it's easy to assume that technology companies are marketing to a very price sensitive crowd. Because of this, commercials based upon price comparisons just seem to make natural sense.

I'm just surprised that Apple has decided to take a whiny approach, rather than starting a series of ads touting its entry level MacBooks being $999 and its lowest priced MacBook Pros currently being $1,199. The $999 price is close enough to those mentioned in Microsoft's ads to be competitive, and the cost difference between a PC and MacBook/MacBook Pro may be justifiable in included features/user experience to make the extra money worth it. Their tag line could be "Macs: superstar value at an ordinary person's price" or something like that, if they wanted to play on Microsoft's "ordinary person" type ads.
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Re: FCC Considers Propping Up Old School Journalism...

said by HotRodFoto See Profile :

I think you forget what the hell this country just came out of the last 8 years and the complete idiocy we went through.
I don't know... I certainly didn't go through any "hell" in the last 8 years. We had high gas prices, but that was easily overcome by telecommuting a couple days a week until prices came down...

And where did I ever state that Fox was fair and balanced? Please at least try to keep your rants on topic.
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said by NOVA_Guy See Profile :

said by HotRodFoto See Profile :

I think you forget what the hell this country just came out of the last 8 years and the complete idiocy we went through.
I don't know... I certainly didn't go through any "hell" in the last 8 years. We had high gas prices, but that was easily overcome by telecommuting a couple days a week until prices came down...

And where did I ever state that Fox was fair and balanced? Please at least try to keep your rants on topic.
lol I think everyone can pretty much understand EXACTLY what I am talking about here with Fox News. you even said "Fair and balanced" which is Fox's tagline......My rants are on topic as much as yours is and is a directly reply to the far right wing BS you posted. Before you start bringing up news companies you may wish to know that Fox News recently argued that intentionally misleading people is ok in a court of law »www.ceasespin.org/ceasespin_blog···lic.html
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Re: How Much Does It Really Cost to Own a Smartphone?

Agreed. Whenever I've bought a smartphone, AT&T lets me keep my family voice plan exactly the same. So if I were a regular non-data phone user and switched to an iPhone, it would cost me $30 more plus tax per month, or 720, more over the life of the 2 year contract. Add the iPhone 3G itself (as low as 99 plus tax plus bogus upgrade fee).

I preferred the older iPhone plan where the handset was more expensive, but was only +$20/month (and included 200 texts!).

I'm hoping at some point, as has happened with voice plans, text and data prices will get driven down by competitive pressure. Unfortunately,the iPhone has clearly demonstrated to providers that Americans prefer to pay lower upfront costs and higher monthly fees.

The only portion of my wireless bill that I really detest is the text plan, especially when I'm already paying for data. I can transfer 5GB of data for $30, but transfering 80kb (500 texts at max 160) worth of texts is an extra $5!?! At least with data, I see actual work going in to upgrade towers and have seen steadily improving performance.
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Re: Apple's panties in bunch over Microsoft ads

I seen some of those ads and I'm like "and OS X has *NEVER* crashed or froze up and anyone?" I smell a ton of BS here.

Plus, I've been running Windows 7 since 7100 (I'm now running 7600) and I freakin' love it. Even on my legacy stuff (a few P3's and my TP R40), it runs perfect. No problems at all. Even the video is smooth with the XP drivers.

Oh.. and I had 1 bluescreen (due to an old ATI Mobility Radeon 7500 driver). I fixed it with an updated one and never seen a BSOD since.

Plus, why would an average person used to Windows switch over to OS X? Talk about learning a different language.
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said by djrobx See Profile :

The only portion of my wireless bill that I really detest is the text plan, especially when I'm already paying for data. I can transfer 5GB of data for $30, but transfering 80kb (500 texts at max 160) worth of texts is an extra $5!?! At least with data, I see actual work going in to upgrade towers and have seen steadily improving performance.
It's for that reason that I don't like SMS, or text messages. Never have. I'm not necessarily against the overall concept (though I think that some people really go overboard with it), just that the price seems quite high for what you get, even with an unlimited SMS option.

I figure that it's better to use e-mail instead for this purpose. Using E-mail to SMS gateways, I figure that you can still send an SMS to someone. The difference being that if you use e-mail, you won't have to pay for the SMS, or purchase an unlimited SMS option.

Let's see:

Unlimited SMS costs $20/mo., usually.

Data can be $25-$35.

So, for only a little bit more, instead of SMS you can use e-mails, and on top of that get access to the Internet and so on. Plus, with e-mails you aren't limited to only 160 characters.


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I think the more for your money is working better for Microsoft because they can offer more hardware for your money then apple and everyone is familiar with Windows unless they lived in a cave their whole life.
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