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Comments on news posted 2009-07-24 12:39:47: As we've complained about for years, the FCC has traditionally made broadband policy decisions based on flawed and incomplete data. Part of the 1996 Telecom Act required that the agency release quarterly reports on the status of broadband deployment. ..
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 MattAll noise, no signal.Premium join:2003-07-20 Jamestown, NC kudos:12 | Well Said Karl
said by Karl :
In the more nuanced light of the real world, regulation is neither wholly evil or wholly good. There is a balance to be struck between sound regulation and "free market" capitalism. I 100% agree. We need to strike a balance to ensure reasonable profits for private enterprise, but a balance that also ensures we are the worldwide technology leader. | |
|  |  | | Re: Well Said Karl The debate will be useless if people like Levin are already dismissing suggestions because they are "sloppy" in nature. I think the FCC should give a criteria for the suggestions, some sort of a RFP. This way the commisioners won't be so quick to throw away the "good" suggestions that were submitted with what they consider "bad". Unless they start taking baby steps into issues that they could be addressing now, this all just appears to be lip service! -- BF69~~~Please stop suffocating gerbils! | |
|  |  |  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium join:2003-07-20 Jamestown, NC kudos:12 | Re: Well Said Karl said by S_engineer:The debate will be useless if people like Levin are already dismissing suggestions because they are "sloppy" in nature. I think the FCC should give a criteria for the suggestions, some sort of a RFP. This way the commisioners won't be so quick to throw away the "good" suggestions that were submitted with what they consider "bad". Unless they start taking baby steps into issues that they could be addressing now, this all just appears to be lip service! I haven't read the suggestions, but my guess is the corporations submitted very little, because they don't want anything to change, and then the rest of the suggestions were things like "I wants sooper-fast tubez for teh torrentz!" | |
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 |  2 edits | said by Matt:said by Karl :
In the more nuanced light of the real world, regulation is neither wholly evil or wholly good. There is a balance to be struck between sound regulation and "free market" capitalism. I 100% agree. We need to strike a balance to ensure reasonable profits for private enterprise, but a balance that also ensures we are the worldwide technology leader. Why do we have to be the worldwide technology leader? There are advantages to being just behind the leaders. The development and research costs are borne by others and the initial problems of rolling out new technology are identified and already corrected by others. It then becomes more economically efficient to trail a little behind. You don't want to be at the tail end, but being 1st isn't always beneficial.
If most of the world actually honored intellectual property laws and international agreements, there are some financial benefits by being the prime developer and by being 1st. But that is rarely the case. It is better to be like China and steal the developments and then refuse to pay patent fees. So the US has been suckers for the world in this area. I say turn the tables and let them develop it. Then we can steal their technology at extra low cost. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |
|  |  |  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium join:2003-07-20 Jamestown, NC kudos:12 | Re: Well Said Karl said by fAcEtIOUs:said by Matt:said by Karl :
In the more nuanced light of the real world, regulation is neither wholly evil or wholly good. There is a balance to be struck between sound regulation and "free market" capitalism. I 100% agree. We need to strike a balance to ensure reasonable profits for private enterprise, but a balance that also ensures we are the worldwide technology leader. Why do we have to be the worldwide technology leader? There are advantages to being just behind the leaders. The development and research costs are borne by others and the initial problems of rolling out new technology are identified and already corrected by others. It then becomes more economically efficient to trail a little behind. You don't want to be at the tail end, but being 1st isn't always beneficial. If you're first, you have the scientific knowledge that created the breakthrough. There are a myriad of reasons I can think of off the top of my head; generally, the breakthroughs come because of fundamental research, which is then applied to multiple fields and eventually, real-world applications.
In this case however, we've had the technology for years to be at the forefront, but without getting into politics, it wasn't seen as beneficial. Only now are we starting to realize that fast, ubiquitous broadband can open a lot of doors and has far-reaching beneficial effects, even on seemingly disassociated things like the environment. | |
|  |  |  |  jaminus join:2004-10-14 Arlington, VA | Re: Well Said Karl The problem with trying to become the "world technology leader" in broadband via government spending is that doing so necessarily redirect resources from other more productive uses of those resources.
Take Japan. They've got much, much better broadband than we do here. There's no denying it.
Yet are they more prosperous than us Americans? No they are not. Look at any meaningful metric of wealth creation and you'll see the U.S. is markedly ahead of Japan. For example, Americans enjoy on average over 50 % higher personal disposable income than the Japanese.
Now, I love my fat (broadband) pipe and I don't know how I'd live without it. But the American people at large do not share the same obsession with fast broadband that we DSLR contributors do. The sooner policymakers understand the disconnect between the broadband fetishism of the techno-evangelists at Free Press and the actual desires of the average American consumer, the better.
Times are tough, and lots of people are struggling. Broadband is great, but it's not the only thing that we need to spend our money on here in the United States. Health care, education, entertainment, recreation, and just plain old luxuries of life are all important, too. No regulatory agency knows the best mix of spending. Only through decentralized decisionmaking--spontaneous market order--can we allocate resources in a way that matches what people actually want.
This is why very few actual trained economists who aren't on industry payrolls want the FCC to get actively involved in the broadband market. It's bad public policy designed to score political points, but it's ultimately the opposite of what's best for the American economy. | |
|  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Well Said Karl said by jaminus:But the American people at large do not share the same obsession with fast broadband that we DSLR contributors do.. That may be true now, but once the caps have been fully established, and the broadband usage surpasses those caps sending overage charges to the majority of users, then the masses will begin to care. And as more government (federal, state, county, muni) departments push towards online services, then theres no choice but to use the web. This is also the case with banking and utility services. Anybody with a budget is loooking to save money by droppiing live personel in favor of a automated or online service. For those of us that live in major metropolitan areas, a simple call to the municipal building department can cost 3-4 hours. That same service could be taken care of online in minutes. That means that goverment service that I'm paying for through taxes can't be used unless I negotiate through a third party (ISP). That means it's no longer a luxery, its a basic service, or...a utility! [/rant] -- BF69~~~Please stop suffocating gerbils! | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  patcat88 join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY kudos:1 | Re: Well Said Karl said by S_engineer: And as more government (federal, state, county, muni) departments push towards online services, then theres no choice but to use the web. Use a library  | |
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|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  patcat88 join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY kudos:1 | Re: Well Said Karl said by jimbo48:yeah one can use a library, if you have one open in your town and that library has Internet that is working and not shut down because there is no money in the till to pay for it or repair/maintain it. You might even be lucky and the library is open for 4 hours while you're at work and surely they aren't going to be open on a Saturday or Sunday or in the evening. No its not always posssible to "use a library" Then take a sick day or drive 30 miles. | |
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| Re: Well Said Karl said by patcat88:said by jimbo48:yeah one can use a library, if you have one open in your town and that library has Internet that is working and not shut down because there is no money in the till to pay for it or repair/maintain it. You might even be lucky and the library is open for 4 hours while you're at work and surely they aren't going to be open on a Saturday or Sunday or in the evening. No its not always posssible to "use a library" Then take a sick day or drive 30 miles. Troll....  | |
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 |  |  |  |  wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace join:2004-08-07 New York, NY | said by jaminus:The problem with trying to become the "world technology leader" in broadband via government spending is that doing so necessarily redirect resources from other more productive uses of those resources. Take Japan. They've got much, much better broadband than we do here. There's no denying it. Yet are they more prosperous than us Americans? No they are not. Look at any meaningful metric of wealth creation and you'll see the U.S. is markedly ahead of Japan. For example, Americans enjoy on average over 50 % higher personal disposable income than the Japanese. Now, I love my fat (broadband) pipe and I don't know how I'd live without it. But the American people at large do not share the same obsession with fast broadband that we DSLR contributors do. The sooner policymakers understand the disconnect between the broadband fetishism of the techno-evangelists at Free Press and the actual desires of the average American consumer, the better. Times are tough, and lots of people are struggling. Broadband is great, but it's not the only thing that we need to spend our money on here in the United States. Health care, education, entertainment, recreation, and just plain old luxuries of life are all important, too. No regulatory agency knows the best mix of spending. Only through decentralized decisionmaking--spontaneous market order--can we allocate resources in a way that matches what people actually want. This is why very few actual trained economists who aren't on industry payrolls want the FCC to get actively involved in the broadband market. It's bad public policy designed to score political points, but it's ultimately the opposite of what's best for the American economy. So are you trying to imply that throwing billions more dollars at a problem that doesnt really exist is a bad idea?  -- "The only morality they recognize, is what will further their cause" -Ronald Reagan-
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|  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Well Said Karl So are you implying *throwing away* billions of dollars into the coffers of the incumbents is a good idea? | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace join:2004-08-07 New York, NY | Re: Well Said Karl said by sonicmerlin:So are you implying *throwing away* billions of dollars into the coffers of the incumbents is a good idea? The government isnt giving billions of dollars to the incumbents now, so thats a moot point. -- "The only morality they recognize, is what will further their cause" -Ronald Reagan-
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|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium join:2003-07-20 Jamestown, NC kudos:12 | Re: Well Said Karl said by wifi4milez:said by sonicmerlin:So are you implying *throwing away* billions of dollars into the coffers of the incumbents is a good idea? The government isnt giving billions of dollars to the incumbents now, so thats a moot point. They aren't? Did you forget about the $600 million tax write-off they approved for a single company? »Verizon Sells ME, NH, VT Networks
There are ways to give money to a company without actually handing them cash. The reversal of the Telco Act of 1996 was a damn good start. You get an awfully large slice of pie when there isn't anyone you have to share it with. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace join:2004-08-07 New York, NY | Re: Well Said Karl The government allows tax write offs for many companies for many things. You are positioning that like its a unique situation.
said by Matt:The reversal of the Telco Act of 1996 was a damn good start. You get an awfully large slice of pie when there isn't anyone you have to share it with. The problem with that argument is that the pie belonged to the telcos to begin with, they should never been forced to share it. You might want to note that one of the conditions Verizon had for FIOS was that the government couldnt come in and make them share it. The government agreed, and now millions of people have FTTH. Funny how that worked out isnt it! -- "The only morality they recognize, is what will further their cause" -Ronald Reagan-
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|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  wentlancYou Can't Fix Dumb.. join:2003-07-30 Maineville, OH | Re: Well Said Karl said by wifi4milez:The government allows tax write offs for many companies for many things. You are positioning that like its a unique situation. They received those write-offs in EXCHANGE for them to build out to certain areas. You are positioning that like it is just a normal write-off, and not structured as an incentive for the telco to build out service.
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|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace join:2004-08-07 New York, NY | Re: Well Said Karl said by wentlanc:said by wifi4milez:The government allows tax write offs for many companies for many things. You are positioning that like its a unique situation. They received those write-offs in EXCHANGE for them to build out to certain areas. You are positioning that like it is just a normal write-off, and not structured as an incentive for the telco to build out service. cw Is that all you have got?? The government is currently offering huge incentives to ANY provider that is willing to deploy services in this country. In fact, it has been front page news on this very website multiple times. -- "The only morality they recognize, is what will further their cause" -Ronald Reagan-
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|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Well Said Karl The incumbents stole hundreds of billions of dollars in taxpayer that they were given in exchange for building out fiber services all over the US. They never met their promised targets, never even started in most cases. Many carriers like Verizon and AT&T simply used that money to fund the buildout of their wireless networks.
Furthermore, from the standpoint of a nation's economy, when a non-competitive industry is dominated by a few players making enormous profits, that money is essentially drained from the national GDP. It goes into far away untaxable offshore bank accounts so the executives can buy a 2nd jet for their personal travels.
Numerous studies demonstrate the harm done to an economy when the accumulation of non-transferable wealth occurs as well as when the gap between the rich and poor widens. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | said by wentlanc:said by wifi4milez:The government allows tax write offs for many companies for many things. You are positioning that like its a unique situation. They received those write-offs in EXCHANGE for them to build out to certain areas. You are positioning that like it is just a normal write-off, and not structured as an incentive for the telco to build out service. cw Actually they didn't get ANY special consideration. Verizon merely took advantage of EXISTING tax code to get that writeoff. And their was no quid-pro-quo that Verizon promised for that tax break. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |
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| Re: Well Said Karl said by fAcEtIOUs:Verizon merely took advantage of EXISTING tax code to get that writeoff. That is true but it is important not to forget how all those special conditions get written into the tax code.
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  1 edit | said by wifi4milez:The problem with that argument is that the pie belonged to the telcos to begin with, they should never been forced to share it. You might want to note that one of the conditions Verizon had for FIOS was that the government couldnt come in and make them share it. The government agreed, and now millions of people have FTTH. Funny how that worked out isnt it! You are right they should not be forced to share it, it should of just been stripped from them to begin with and a national system put in place.
They had their chance to serve and have clearly said on multiple occasions, no we will do it in our time as we feel we can make the most money for it. As a general business they have the right to make that determination, however, in this day and age the core network is too vital to be left in the hands of greedy stock jockeys.
They have made their billions off of "incentives" the government has given them that has even enabled them to build the network they "control" now. Even if it was stripped from them so they can be content providers only or they are regulated to the dumbpipes they truly are (let them pick which path to follow) they will still continue to make billions. | |
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| said by wifi4milez:said by Matt:The problem with that argument is that the pie belonged to the telcos to begin with, they should never been forced to share it. You might want to note that one of the conditions Verizon had for FIOS was that the government couldnt come in and make them share it. The government agreed, and now millions of people have FTTH. Funny how that worked out isnt it! And it should be noted, that given the *choice*, Verizon shares its FIOS with competitors. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace join:2004-08-07 New York, NY | Re: Well Said Karl said by elray:said by wifi4milez:said by Matt:The problem with that argument is that the pie belonged to the telcos to begin with, they should never been forced to share it. You might want to note that one of the conditions Verizon had for FIOS was that the government couldnt come in and make them share it. The government agreed, and now millions of people have FTTH. Funny how that worked out isnt it! And it should be noted, that given the *choice*, Verizon shares its FIOS with competitors. Absolutely, they want to make money on their wholesale offering. -- "The only morality they recognize, is what will further their cause" -Ronald Reagan-
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 |  |  |  |  | | Not true at all. In fact, the demand curve for broadband has become increasingly inelastic, with people all over the country unwilling to give up their connections even as their disposable income decreases.
Reforming the industry would take the massive profits stolen by the incumbents and place them back into the hands of consumers.
That would result in an overall higher quality of life for everyone, and greater stimulation to the national economy. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  jaminus join:2004-10-14 Arlington, VA | Re: Well Said Karl We both agree that incumbents make excessive profits. I believe that's because of entry barriers in the broadband market. Not natural barriers, though, but artificial ones stemming from bad government policies.
Spectrum is way to scarce because of politically powerful lobbies like the National Association of Broadcasters want to hog valuable airwaves, making it prohibitively expensive to start a new WISP operating on licensed bands.
What about laying wire? Well, municipal franchise authorities see to it that if you want to offer video (which is only sensible if you're undertaking the expense of digging up the streets) requires that you accept government extortion in the form of revenue sharing and onerous build-out requirements.
No wonder that the incumbents make so much money. Who can afford to compete with them? | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  1 edit | Re: Well Said Karl I fail to see how revenue sharing hurts smaller companies that have virtually no revenue. The effect it has is of making larger companies distribute some of the massive profits they have enjoyed from their economy of scale and near-monopoly status.
What you may or may not be describing is poorly ascribed regulation. Simply reforming the rules to encourage competition is what is needed, not a repeal of all rules to allow greedy execs control everything. | |
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 |  |  |  | | I agree with the fact that we should be the technology leader. However, our research will be wasted. The Chinese do not need industrial espionage, we give them everything to "manufacture" for us. We should invest in research and PROTECT our work by manufacturing stuff in the US. -- Obama '08. Will help resolve the terrible broadband issues we have that put us so far behind other countries. | |
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| said by fAcEtIOUs:said by Matt:said by Karl :
In the more nuanced light of the real world, regulation is neither wholly evil or wholly good. There is a balance to be struck between sound regulation and "free market" capitalism. I 100% agree. We need to strike a balance to ensure reasonable profits for private enterprise, but a balance that also ensures we are the worldwide technology leader. Why do we have to be the worldwide technology leader? There are advantages to being just behind the leaders. The development and research costs are borne by others and the initial problems of rolling out new technology are identified and already corrected by others. It then becomes more economically efficient to trail a little behind. You don't want to be at the tail end, but being 1st isn't always beneficial. »www.newamerica.net/publications/···_pricing
look at that link, you tell me being near the top or being in the middle is no big deal? -- The more you talk, the less you listen. | |
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| Re: Well Said Karl said by fAcEtIOUs:Japan subsidizes the ISPs & the US taxes them. Much of the difference is right there. You don't think public fund in any shape or form, didnt pay for telco/cable buildouts? Please re-think this, because you'll be surprised how in the beginning muni's in smaller areas of the country actually did pay for it. And i'm not talking about gov't control FTTH -- The more you talk, the less you listen. | |
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 |  |  wentlancYou Can't Fix Dumb.. join:2003-07-30 Maineville, OH | Way to strive for mediocrity. As long as the gluttons can leech the most profit from the system, why bother trying to be the best.
Typical american greed right here....
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 |  |  | | The problem, is that from a technological standpoint, we are just way behind on deployment. Most of the equipment, while probably made in China, is based out of US companies.
Broadband data aside, and yes I know its garbage. But one of the major impedements to large scale deployment, is that the US is spaced out significantly more then many of those much smaller countries like Japan and SK, that have better broadband penetration. They are far more dense, and deployment while not necessarily easy or cheap, has a much greater return, where as wiring 300 miles of cable for 5 households (large farm areas), is just not cost effective. That is of course why we pay some of the taxes on our phone and broadband bills, to help offset those costs, and of course that money somehow ends up in someones pocket and is abused and wasted. | |
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| Re: Well Said Karl said by jvanbrecht:The problem, is that from a technological standpoint, we are just way behind on deployment. Most of the equipment, while probably made in China, is based out of US companies. Broadband data aside, and yes I know its garbage. But one of the major impedements to large scale deployment, is that the US is spaced out significantly more then many of those much smaller countries like Japan and SK, that have better broadband penetration. They are far more dense, and deployment while not necessarily easy or cheap, has a much greater return, where as wiring 300 miles of cable for 5 households (large farm areas), is just not cost effective. That is of course why we pay some of the taxes on our phone and broadband bills, to help offset those costs, and of course that money somehow ends up in someones pocket and is abused and wasted. Only thing we have on Japan is, we have more people. But that country has the same type of spread out amongst the country as we do. They have mountains/valleys you name it just like us. The key here is, their Gov't pushes for ISPs to actually provide what they're in business to do. South Korea, Sweden, Denmark, all push the same agenda. They don't see stop because of hurdles, they try and find ways to get around the hurdle.
We have too many companies who listen to shareholders and dictate how their company should be run, and in the ISP game your profits come from a very stable product. But the Wall-Street kiddies, all want now now cash, instead of seeing the profits roll in later on.
These countries curb-stomp us, because they're willing to do investments that might hurt a quarter, but they'll easily see a return. Here in the USA and the followers of our antics, because since the dawn of the time, 1000-5000% markups and nice Sheets is all that matters. -- The more you talk, the less you listen. | |
|  |  |  |  | | Actually even in rural communities most houses are next to a major road. The cost of deploying fiber to rural homes is surprisingly similar to the individual cost of deploying fiber to most densely populated areas. | |
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 |  |  | | Maybe because we developed it. If this is left up to the current providers, we will be at the tail end. The admission that they've been making decisions for this long without the proper data is a disgrace. This entire department should be purged if not disbanded, and refilled with engineers and topologists. I would liike to see just one decision or requirement that differs from the past administrators instead of just talk. -- BF69~~~Please stop suffocating gerbils! | |
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 |  |  mrkevinKnowledge comes, but wisdom lingers.Premium join:2007-08-07 Aurora, ME | Why do we have to be the worldwide technology leader?
because 2nd place is first loser and I don't want to be average or mediocre. do race car drivers go out striving for 2nd or 3rd? No, they want to win, and winning means 1st. everything else is losing.
I don't want to be like China, have you used anything lately from China...cheap-crap. -- An army of sheep led by a lion, will always defeat an army of lions led by a sheep. | |
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 |  |  | | You're right Liam. Being the first to the moon was a mistake. Screw that. Who cares about spending the most on military technology. What a waste being a superpower. Screw being the best. | |
|  |  |  DesdinovaPremium join:2003-01-26 Gaithersburg, MD | "It is better to be like China and steal the developments and then refuse to pay patent fees. So the US has been suckers for the world in this area. I say turn the tables and let them develop it. Then we can steal their technology at extra low cost."
Whoa whoa WHOA!! Did that comment REALLY come from the guy who's always decrying piracy and applauding the efforts of those who try and defend the profits from their IP law-protected revenue streams!!!? Or is this Opposite Day?  | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Well Said Karl said by Desdinova:"It is better to be like China and steal the developments and then refuse to pay patent fees. So the US has been suckers for the world in this area. I say turn the tables and let them develop it. Then we can steal their technology at extra low cost." Whoa whoa WHOA!! Did that comment REALLY come from the guy who's always decrying piracy and applauding the efforts of those who try and defend the profits from their IP law-protected revenue streams!!!? Or is this Opposite Day? It's not opposite day. It's "convenient for me to be on the other side of the fence" day. | |
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 |  |  | | said by fAcEtIOUs:said by Matt:said by Karl :
In the more nuanced light of the real world, regulation is neither wholly evil or wholly good. There is a balance to be struck between sound regulation and "free market" capitalism. I 100% agree. We need to strike a balance to ensure reasonable profits for private enterprise, but a balance that also ensures we are the worldwide technology leader. Why do we have to be the worldwide technology leader? There are advantages to being just behind the leaders. The development and research costs are borne by others and the initial problems of rolling out new technology are identified and already corrected by others. It then becomes more economically efficient to trail a little behind. You don't want to be at the tail end, but being 1st isn't always beneficial. If most of the world actually honored intellectual property laws and international agreements, there are some financial benefits by being the prime developer and by being 1st. But that is rarely the case. It is better to be like China and steal the developments and then refuse to pay patent fees. So the US has been suckers for the world in this area. I say turn the tables and let them develop it. Then we can steal their technology at extra low cost. We aren't just behind the leaders. We are WAY behind the leaders. | |
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 |  DaveDudeNo Fear join:1999-09-01 New Jersey kudos:1 | Where isnt there Greed ? Everyone has there self interests. | |
|  |  |  Lazlow join:2006-08-07 Saint Louis, MO 1 edit | Re: Well Said Karl Yes, everyone has self interest and I would agree that that is a good thing. BUT there is a difference between self interest and unfettered greed. Most people would agree that Henry Ford was a good capitalist, yet he is pretty much the major reason why we have a 40 hour work week today. When he opened his plants he had virtually every other employer outraged at him, he was paying 2-3 times the going rate AND only had a 40 hr week(remember, at that time 80hr or more weeks were the norm). IF pure greed had been Ford's only motivation he could have had his pick of employees by offering just one (40hr or high pay) of the options without offering both. There is a huge difference between taking a "fair" profit and having unfettered greed. | |
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| good data is a must, but... if they don't make the hard policy choices needed to increase competition, nothing will improve.
my position on this is: they can promise to "fix everything", but until I see the actual decisions being implemented (not just passed into law or regulation, but IMPLEMENTED), it's just a lot of hot air.
the 1996 telecom regs were law, but the incumbents just ignored it. | |
|  |  | | Re: good data is a must, but... Until there's a national policy mandate to make available real broadband (> 1.5Mbs) to all areas -- nothing will really change. Capitalism is at best only going to allow greater choices to those heavily populated areas that already have broadband options. Providers do not want to go to areas that they do not think will be quickly profitable. This is the root of the problem. The same thing happened with the electric providers originally.
Government either has to force providers into rural areas or provide the infrastructure itself. I'd love to see a national fiber infrastructure to each town in America and maybe a wireless network infrastructure in each rural township connected to it. This would have been a better use for government money than the bailout of the big banks. | |
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| Broadband coverage I did a double take on the chart showing coverage. Not only do all ZIP codes have broadband, almost all have healthy dose of competition.
quote: The most widely reported technologies by this measure were high-speed mobile wireless (with at least some presence reported in 99% of Zip Codes), satellite (in 93% of Zip Codes), ADSL (in 87% of Zip Codes), and cable modem service (in 67% of Zip Codes). ADSL and/or cable modem connections were reported to be present in 91% of Zip Codes.
I'm surprised Satellite is only available in 93% of ZIP codes. I assume Alaska it too far north to access Geosynchronous satellites but should be available in lower 48 and Hawaii.
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|  |  patcat88 join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY kudos:1 | Re: Broadband coverage said by tschmidt:I did a double take on the chart showing coverage. Not only do all ZIP codes have broadband, almost all have healthy dose of competition. Is competition 4 aircards on 3G with only 1 place in the zip code that has 3G? | |
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 | | "As we've complained about for years" Anyone reading Karl's commentary would think that FCC woke up one morning and realized the folly of its ways or (even more self-serving) finally heard the 'voice of Karl' crying in the wilderness.
Nowhere is there a connection to the change in government from Republican to Democrat. The new chairman and his new set of bureau chiefs had nothing to do with this. This is just a spontaneous event caused by some official who happened to reread the 1996 Telecom Act.
I don't think so. | |
|  OwlSaverOwlSaverPremium join:2005-01-30 Berwyn, PA Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| This is Critical to the Future of the US The focus here seems to be on the size of the pipe at homes. But, I think at lease as important is the size of the core internet connections. Back in the 1950's the US developed an Interstate Highway system that has aid back dividends over and over again. We need to as a nation do the same thing for information flow.
Anywhere in the US, Wired and Wireless access to 100MB and up should be available and affordable. The backbone should be able to support all 300 million of us using it at the same time. Someone in Government or Industry needs to define this vision and make it happen.
The benefits to the US will be returned year after year. Just as with the Interstate Highway system, we do not know what those benefits are today. | |
|  mrkevinKnowledge comes, but wisdom lingers.Premium join:2007-08-07 Aurora, ME | hmmm....FCC? Why do we want the government to step in?
Name one thing the government does efficiently, beside take our money (they have gotten quite good at that)
Do you think forcing a company to provide broadband service will be cheaper and better? Has anyone gotten gas lately? about $2.55.9 gallon roughly around here. of that:
18.9 cents/gal federal gas tax. 25.2 cents/gal state gas tax .07 cents/gal for Coastal and Inland Water fund 1.38 cents/gal for Groundwater Fund 40 cents/gal /10,000 gallons for Petroleum Market Share Act ridiculous.
We all have to do thing with less, why does the government not have to?
Just let the government take over broadband. it will be a windfall for Washington.
federal broadband tax broadband for the poor tax government processing tax maybe even a per GB tax upload tax download tax connection tax broadband for inmates act perpetuation fee
Be careful for what you ask for
So it's ok for the government to take your money just as long as the people who actually 'own' it don't make anything because they are evil...I guess I don't get this mentality.
-- An army of sheep led by a lion, will always defeat an army of lions led by a sheep. | |
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 FreedomBuildWell done is better than well saidPremium join:2004-10-08 Rockford, IL | Rose colored glasses?? I thought they were more of a green tinted color... | |
|  | | GET off the ASS! Get off your FCC ass and DO something about the Comcast / Verizon DUOPOLY you let fester for the last decade and more!!! | |
|  Core0000Premium join:2008-05-04 Somerset, KY | 4 Broadband Providers?! "95% of zip codes have access to four or more ISPs"
I must be in the other 5% then...
That seriously made me laugh.
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