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Seriously though that sucks and I hope to see both companies get grilled. I wonder IF the iPhone ever becomes available on other carriers will the same happen say with Verizon?
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FCC seeks data on iPhone Google app rejection.
SAN FRANCISCO— The Federal Communications Commission is seeking additional information about Apple Inc.'s decision to reject Google Inc's voice application for the iPhone.
The Google application is seen by some as a competitive threat to the voice services that come with the iPhone, which is carried exclusively in the United States by AT&T Inc.
The FCC sent letters of inquiry to Apple, Google and AT&T on Friday after Apple failed to approve the Google Voice app and removed a similar application from the App Store. Copies of the letters were posted on the FCC's Web site.
The commission said it was making the request in light of upcoming proceedings regarding wireless open access and handset exclusivity.
Last month, several U.S. senators urged regulators to review exclusive handset arrangements between wireless carriers and cell phone makers and how they affect competition and choice in the marketplace.
President Barack Obama's choice to head the FCC has said he plans to review handset exclusivity arrangements.
An Apple spokesman declined to comment on the FCC move. Google and AT&T could not immediately be reached for comment.
Google said on Tuesday that Apple rejected its Google Voice app, a program that allows users to store transcripts of voicemail messages in their e-mail inbox and find specific information within a phone message.
It can also be used to make low-priced international calls, and offers a single phone number that can route incoming calls to home, office and cell phones.
In addition, GV Mobile — a third-party Google Voice iPhone app — was removed from the App Store.
In its letter to Apple, the FCC asked for the reason behind the rejection and the decision to remove the third-party application. It also asked whether Apple acted alone or in consultation with AT&T, and what role AT&T plays in the approval process for iPhone apps.
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 Time for Google to get lawyer-ed up! I am sorry they already are. | |
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| Re: Time for Google to get lawyer-ed up! I agree, Google is not the be all end all for everything. T-Mobile pulled the tethering app off of their store. A phone is a glorified calculator or ipod without a carrier.
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| Re: Time for Google to get lawyer-ed up! said by ptrowski:T-Mobile pulled the tethering app off of their store. The tethering app is still available and can easily be installed by anyone who wants it, Tmo customers included. It's just not on the official store.
Android Apps are different from Apple iPhone Apps in that they don't need the official blessing from Steve Job's minions to operate, nor jail breaking to run non-approved apps. | |
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| Re: Time for Google to get lawyer-ed up! said by cdru:said by ptrowski:T-Mobile pulled the tethering app off of their store. The tethering app is still available and can easily be installed by anyone who wants it, Tmo customers included. It's just not on the official store. Android Apps are different from Apple iPhone Apps in that they don't need the official blessing from Steve Job's minions to operate, nor jail breaking to run non-approved apps. I understand that, it was just to illustrate that the carriers can and do wield some power. Eventually I would imagine as the T-Mobile or any new carriers network expands out the grip will get tighter and tighter.
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| Re: Time for Google to get lawyer-ed up! said by ptrowski:Eventually I would imagine as the T-Mobile or any new carriers network expands out the grip will get tighter and tighter. I doubt it. The whole point of Android is that it's an OPEN operating system. The genie is out of the bottle and he isn't going back in. | |
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| Re: Time for Google to get lawyer-ed up! said by cdru:said by ptrowski:Eventually I would imagine as the T-Mobile or any new carriers network expands out the grip will get tighter and tighter. I doubt it. The whole point of Android is that it's an OPEN operating system. The genie is out of the bottle and he isn't going back in. It can be an open OS, but without a carrier to connect to it's just that....an OS.
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| Re: Time for Google to get lawyer-ed up! said by ptrowski:said by cdru:said by ptrowski:Eventually I would imagine as the T-Mobile or any new carriers network expands out the grip will get tighter and tighter. I doubt it. The whole point of Android is that it's an OPEN operating system. The genie is out of the bottle and he isn't going back in. It can be an open OS, but without a carrier to connect to it's just that....an OS. That's not how cell phones work. If the hardware supports the network's bands, pop in a sim card and you're good to go. Doesn't matter what the OS is, and even whether a network supports it (see: iPhones on TMO).
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| Re: Time for Google to get lawyer-ed up! said by tiger72:That's not how cell phones work. If the hardware supports the network's bands, pop in a sim card and you're good to go. Doesn't matter what the OS is, and even whether a network supports it (see: iPhones on TMO). You are missing point. A device can have an open OS, but as the carriers restrict data more and more then the OS becomes irrelevant.
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| Re: Time for Google to get lawyer-ed up! said by ptrowski:said by tiger72:That's not how cell phones work. If the hardware supports the network's bands, pop in a sim card and you're good to go. Doesn't matter what the OS is, and even whether a network supports it (see: iPhones on TMO). You are missing point. A device can have an open OS, but as the carriers restrict data more and more then the OS becomes irrelevant. Maybe I have a different mindset coming from TMO, but I have yet to see any sort of data restrictions.
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| Re: Time for Google to get lawyer-ed up! said by tiger72:said by ptrowski:said by tiger72:That's not how cell phones work. If the hardware supports the network's bands, pop in a sim card and you're good to go. Doesn't matter what the OS is, and even whether a network supports it (see: iPhones on TMO). You are missing point. A device can have an open OS, but as the carriers restrict data more and more then the OS becomes irrelevant. Maybe I have a different mindset coming from TMO, but I have yet to see any sort of data restrictions. See earlier in the thread. I was saying that as the T-Mobile footprint becomes larger I feel it is inevitable that it would happen. Monkey see monkey do. Now it would be great if they didn't.
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1 edit | Re: Time for Google to get lawyer-ed up! Their network is a couple towers smaller than ATT's. Or do you really believe that the massive coverage map ATT's website has doesn't include roaming?
Maybe TMO (with its industry-leading 10GB data cap, vs 5; as well as lower data prices) wants to distinguish itself from the likes of ATT and VZW's Stalin-like grips on their hardware and networks?
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| Re: Time for Google to get lawyer-ed up! said by ninjatutle:Did you try that inside of China? Even if Google did return results, you would be temporarily banned from accessing their site by the Great Firewall of China. A TCP RST would be sent as soon as the text is seen on the page.
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1 edit | Re: Time for Google to get lawyer-ed up! I agree. Currently - the unusual WinMo (last one you'd expect) has apps that can be used - Skype, etc. while others with their 'stores' are becoming cash cow walled gardens/gatekeepers.
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| Re: unlocked phones? said by TJ_in_IL:What about the iPhones that are "unlocked" and being used on other carriers? They have to pay the price for AT&T's bullish attitude? I guess one way or another, they're going to get 'ya. The unlocked phones are jailbroken, at least mine is and I am running the Google Voice app.
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In all seriousness, this is why I keep recommending WM and Android phones. You don't need to potentially brick your device and void the warranty to just install the applications you want. That and of course - user replaceable batteries, and the most important feature of ANY modern operating system - multitasking...Linux has it, Windows has it, Mac has it, DOS even has it to some extent. | |
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Because some of us like our iPhones, jailbroken or not. I brought my iphone into the store as the battery life wasn't good anymore. I restored it before I did, and it was replaced with a new phone. | |
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| Re: unlocked phones? said by patcat88:said by Gbcue:said by odreian615:Where was the rage over T-mobile and the first sidkicks? What apps did they have that were pulled? They never let revenue stealing apps get added in the first place. Where was this outrage?
What apps? As I recall, the Sidekick development platform was always closed.
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1 edit | iPhone Buyers Fault It the end users fault for buying such a closed/locked down product from the companies (APPLE & AT&T) that have a history of monopolization and spurring innovation.
Even when you buy the iPhone off contract/full retail, they do not give you an unlock code and even some *still* give you a contract which doesn't make sense.
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| Re: iPhone Buyers Fault said by Mike:The more open solution would be sell the iPhone to anyone but make a carrier exclusive agreement for pricing. Precisely. Exactly like how phones are now sold on the open market.
If I've got a GSM Blackberry, I can take it to either T-Mobile or AT&T. T-Mobile has a better price, and AT&T has a *questionably* better "network".
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Looks like someone's making damned sure that AT&T's exclusivity deal goes up in smoke next year.
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| Re: Tag Teamed While Google is certainly an AT&T enemy, Verizon's swipes at their DC lobbying buddy AT&T have been little more than love pats...that bit about handset exclusivity was little more than showmanship.
Verizon would never really fight with AT&T. Together they're one of the most powerful lobbying one-two punches on the planet. Seriously. Above oil, pharmaceutical, or even the entertainment industry. | |
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I was had Sipphone setup the other day and was working on the 3G network just fine. Then once this happened I found that I could not connect to proxy01.sipphone.com while on 3G. If I VPN tunnel back to my dd-wrt router I can connect and if I'm on Wifi I can connect but on 3G alone I can't. Wouldn't that be a form going against net neutrality?
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Imagine - the GV app integrates directly into your phonebook, eliminating the need to use the device's native SMS, instead you send all via your GV number. All SMS replies and sends to that number come through the app also.
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| Re: how? Since they are blocking an application from going onto phones that are on their network in order to be able to extract additional revenue from their users. While it isn't true net neutrality it is ecosystem neutrality.
Consider how people would respond if Microsoft said that you couldn't install Firefox or iTunes on Windows without voiding your warranty, violating your EULA, and just to be fun, endangering this nation's security. No matter who does it a closed ecosystem doesn't feel right. | |
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With a wireless network a lot of the cell towers actually arent att's and they rent space.
So if att allows people to use google voice they wont be able to actually get the revenue to pay for the cell towers.
So how is it against network neutrality when wireless is an expensive business?
PS VErizon just announced they will not allow bandwidth hogging applications on their network either. so dont just blame ATT. | |
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After all, they finally address some of the common complaints about the iPhone, such as SMS and tethering, and who is there to spoil it? AT&T. The hardware/software is capable of these features, yet here we are waiting for AT&T to allow it to function.
That being said, I'm not sure the situation would be any different even if the iPhone was on Verizon or some other network.
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| Re: 1 provider not enough for the iPhone I have an iPhone and I have to agree. AT&T's network wasn't nearly as bad as it was once the iPhone came out. I think if the iPhone went to Verizon you would be seeing similar problems.
Should the iPhone stay with AT&T honestly I don't think so. Maybe having another carrier will force AT&T to really look at it's network in certain places like Chicago & New York.
My service has gone to crap since June of this year at home. I have had AT&T for over 4 years and never a issue at my house. Finally after 6 weeks of tech support calls (at&t techs saying all is good and closing tickets) I get a smart lady. She learned a tower I go off of sometimes is down till 10/14 for upgrades. My guess it's the whole 7.2 for the 3GS.
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Seems any app related to GV got pulled..