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The reason it's delayed is due to network integration. I have a friend who works at AT&T corporate in Atlanta and he said it all has to do with routing and the MMS gateways still not being integrated into a single system. | |
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| | | | Re: AT&T never advertised MMS It already works on my non jail broke 3gs wit a lil carrier update. theres no reason ATT hasnt rolled it out I send and recieve video and pics. with no problems at all | |
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| | | | | Re: AT&T never advertised MMS said by CyrusDaVirus:It already works on my non jail broke 3gs wit a lil carrier update. theres no reason ATT hasnt rolled it out I send and recieve video and pics. with no problems at all BINGO. There is no "network upgrade" or "systems upgrade", some stats guy in the back room said to the guys in suits that if they delay the use of SMS on the iPhone for X days it will create enough hype to generate more sales. Then the suits asked themselves what can they tell customers who want SMS but make it believable.
It's all about numbers; anyone who believes otherwise is a fool. How to maximize profits while keeping cost at a minimum. Of course, I personally wouldn't run a business like that because just look at how "hated" AT&T is right now. I have not heard of many companies go under who treat their customers right, with respect, and listen and adjusted to their feedback.
Or perhaps AT&T just needs a twitter. And if they have one, obviously they don't read it. | |
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Even the kiosk at our local AT&T store showed it as a feature..
I was at the store the other day and one employee complained it was not available and nobody talks about it.
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| | | | Re: AT&T never advertised MMS But those are Apple commercials. | |
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1 edit | Re: Lame and lamer ... Personally, I wonder what the holdup is (really).
On the other side - lawsuit is a bit
Summer isn't over, so I can't see anything wrong
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I suspect that this 'delay' is more due to AT&T beefing up/adding more spectrum (850MHz) and backhaul before allowing MMS.
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|  DaSneaky1Done wall to block them allPremium,MVM
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| It's not lame if you think of it from this perspective...
Over the life of a 3G-S iPhone, a customer is expected to pay for the price of the phone plus a monthly service charge. If someone delayed the purchase of that phone until they felt it was "worth the investment" (that worth being justified by what has been advertised and marketed), then this customer is not being provided the expected service.
Breaking the contract would cause an unexpected hardship on the customer because their intent is to spend a defined monthly amount for the service...not extra due to services not being provided by the faulting party.
This is more than simply a customer that wants to send MMS messages. This is about people spending hard earned money and are being possibly disregarded by two corporations though alleged deception.
There is certainly basis for this suit, until the judge finds otherwise. | |
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Unless there were indeed ads claiming that it would be available at launch, this suit doesn't look to have any teeth. | |
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kudos:5 | whaaa...? wasting thousands of dollars on a lawsuit makes more sense than dropping $50 bucks on a MMS capable phone. | |
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3 edits | Meh, its Louisiana quote:
The suit claims that Apple let slip that MMS functionality isn't available because AT&T "never upgraded its towers," which doesn't appear to be the case.
Somebody in the swamps just got a brand new telephony device and, once they realized that there was something called "MMS" that their new telephony device didn't support, they pirot'd to court and filed a lawsuit claiming those big metal "towers" didn't let them send "MMS".
Edit:emphasis mine, defined "pirot"
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| Re: Meh, its Louisiana yeh i took a pic of an alligator by my house the other day with my iphone and emailed to myself ..then took the card out of my moto q ,checked my email and then mms it over to my friend.I know im a dumb cajun but guess what it worked!I did this all from my pirouge in the swamp while running crawfish traps!Pa pa says im a genius .went all the way thru the 5th grade..... | |
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iPhone sheeples will buy anything, including excuses. | |
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| | | Re: sheeple! Apparently not considering someone is suing Apple and AT&T. Therefore, your premise is false rendering your conclusion false. | |
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When I bought my first gen iPhone and the latest 3G [S], MMS wasn't a top priority, because if it was I would have gotten a phone that had MMS support.
Besides clearly Apple is on the ball as they support MMS in other countries. ATT is holding up the game. Whose to blame for that? | |
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kudos:8 | Re: sheeple! My myTouch 3G has a touch screen, tethering and MMS.
Boo-yah. | |
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It's all good now though because I've got the Palm Pre. I'm really enjoying being able to send MMS messages after a year of putting up with Apple/AT&T's shenanigans..
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Charlotte, NC | It's a private company If a product does not have a feature go to another vendor. The person bringing the suit should be made to pay all costs to the courts and the companies. Americans are acting more and more like kids at the checkout counter. I did not get my way. | |
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Alexandria, VA | Re: It's a private company said by WhatNow: Americans are acting more and more like kids at the checkout counter. I did not get my way. While the overall assessment is basically correct, as applies to this situation, it's not. When someone advertises a feature (presumably to encourage further sales) and a basic timetable for it and demonstrates an existing ability to deliver it to other users/devices, then people have grounds to seek redress. Given that the seeking of redress is not without grounds, it's a bit hard to characterize it in the manner that you have.
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| said by WhatNow:If a product does not have a feature go to another vendor. The person bringing the suit should be made to pay all costs to the courts and the companies. Americans are acting more and more like kids at the checkout counter. I did not get my way. What other vendor, pray tell, can you take a locked iPhone to?
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Riverhead, NY | att store Well they should go to the AT&T store I went to. On the iPhone kiosk they had a video "loop" and one of the more prominent loops was of a man inserting a picture of a sailboat into a TXT (MMS) and sending it saying "i think i need a bigger boat!!!" - so that could be considered false advertising.
I don't know what holdup AT&T is having. I think just so they can draw it out another couple months and then say "NEW! You can send PICTURES!" and advertise a "new" feature.
For what it's worth - their billing DOES disable MMS - so they obviously have MMS "control" somehow. The trick to get it working on a 3GS is to swap the SIM to another non iPhone - chose the $20 unlimited txt plan (NOT the iPhone - it has MMS disabled) and then install the IPCC (carrier update) onto the iPhone and it works.
Same with tethering. Oh wait - the world will end if AT&T does not make an extra $20 - 50/mo on the tethering option.... | |
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| | | Re: att store I have a moto q for mms and the 3gs for other stuff .i just change the sim back and forth depending on what mood im in...and i will be patient till end of summer...Then it will be false advertising! | |
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kudos:1 | New Phone Just another excuse for Apple to release a new and improved $500 new phone. This new phone will feature MMs and tethering.
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| said by bassjunky:What retard would choose to sue a company because they can't send pictures and video over MMS? Who gives a shit? Is it affecting your life that much? Can you not wait another month or two or however long it'll take? People are fucking stupid. The irony of your post astounds me.
If something's advertised but not delivered on, it's false advertising. It doesn't matter how "useful" that feature is.
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1 edit | said by bassjunky:What retard would choose to sue a company because they can't send pictures and video over MMS? Who gives a shit? Is it affecting your life that much? Can you not wait another month or two or however long it'll take? People are fucking stupid. What if you bought a bass and only 3 of 4 strings worked....or the volume knob didn't work. And that was true of every single bass that say Ibanez put out...but they said that this was seriously going to be the baddest thing you've ever played....just wait a little bit and we'll get you that 4th string and volume control by the end of summer.
Any better now? Just because YOU don't use it, doesn't make it irrelevant to everyone.
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If it has to be class-action... so be it. So sick of the AT&T apology and apathy from the Apple Kool-Aid gang.
Seriously, how anyone can defend AT&T actions is beyond me. I have two friends who work AT&T Level 3 network admins and they all claim its management in the way of all these problems. The technical issues are only "the time it takes to implement once management finally agrees." | |
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Murrayville, IL | Re: I say do it. I know its not the point but just search in google find the hack and work around it. My Iphone 3g has had mms for MONTHS now and it works great at my end. Most of my friends have had theirs fixed and havent seen any problems.
If you need help im me and ill shoot you the info.
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| Re: I say do it. said by anon518 :
its sad when you have to hack your phone to get such a basic feature to work... isnt it?
True that, like installing any app you want or taking your phone to another GSM provider.
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I don't know how true this is, just telling you what I heard. It is ridiculous, my wife's Motorola V557 which has to be pushing 6 years old can get MMS.....but I get this lame text telling me to go to a website and log in with some cryptic password to see my MMS. | |
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| Re: MMS on Iphone said by penberth:I asked the kid in an AT&T store a week or so ago, and he told me that the reason that there was no MMS available on the iphone is because when you send the picture, it doesn't compress it as it does on other phones, but re-iterated that it will be turned on by the end of August. I don't know how true this is, just telling you what I heard. It is ridiculous, my wife's Motorola V557 which has to be pushing 6 years old can get MMS.....but I get this lame text telling me to go to a website and log in with some cryptic password to see my MMS. I could see this being the case. Almost every network requires pictures to be compressed when they're sent via MMS. Lots of people might get mad when their pictures they sent from their phones look horrible when they send them via MMS to other phones.
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kudos:1 | AT&T is just lazy, and just trying to earn extra $$$ If anyone cares to look at the details of there bills, you will notice MMS is being blocked on the account. Just like one would request data to be blocked , or even plain text messages. With a price os 0.00.
So whats up with that?
What is AT&T trying to figure out a way to charge all users now more $$$ for MMS?
If it was to me, find out how much it costs to add MMS on other plans, and then sue AT&T for that times the number of users on iPhones. FOr not allowing thm to do so, but still charing a ton of money for the texting service.
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| Re: AT&T is just lazy, and just trying to earn extra $$$ said by RolteC:If anyone cares to look at the details of there bills, you will notice MMS is being blocked on the account. Just like one would request data to be blocked , or even plain text messages. With a price os 0.00. So whats up with that? What is AT&T trying to figure out a way to charge all users now more $$$ for MMS? If it was to me, find out how much it costs to add MMS on other plans, and then sue AT&T for that times the number of users on iPhones. FOr not allowing thm to do so, but still charing a ton of money for the texting service. So from my understanding, this new suit will do just great. AT&T deserves it. I would be laughing so hard when AT&T charges $9.99/month for MMS service.
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| | | | Re: AT&T is just lazy, and just trying to earn extra $$$ said by Gbcue:I would be laughing so hard when AT&T charges $9.99/month for MMS service. Haha you iPhone fanbois! And then whatever company you have will simply copycat AT&T and offer a new MMS plan for $7.99 and make you believe you are saving over the competition. Ahahaha
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| Re: AT&T is just lazy, and just trying to earn extra $$$ said by ToxicDrew:said by Gbcue:I would be laughing so hard when AT&T charges $9.99/month for MMS service. Haha you iPhone fanbois! And then whatever company you have will simply copycat AT&T and offer a new MMS plan for $7.99 and make you believe you are saving over the competition. Ahahaha Nope, they won't.
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kudos:2 | said by Gbcue:said by RolteC:If anyone cares to look at the details of there bills, you will notice MMS is being blocked on the account. Just like one would request data to be blocked , or even plain text messages. With a price os 0.00. So whats up with that? What is AT&T trying to figure out a way to charge all users now more $$$ for MMS? If it was to me, find out how much it costs to add MMS on other plans, and then sue AT&T for that times the number of users on iPhones. FOr not allowing thm to do so, but still charing a ton of money for the texting service. So from my understanding, this new suit will do just great. AT&T deserves it. I would be laughing so hard when AT&T charges $9.99/month for MMS service. Haha you iPhone fanbois! MMS will be included, as long as you subscribe to a text messaging plan.
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| | | Re: Im dropping AT&T and no buying another iPhone Then your ass needs to quit and find a new job!!! Obviously everyone on here is a bunch of idiots!!!! Understand the technology BEFORE you start running your mouths!
It's this simple!!!!! PAY ATTENTION!!!
A) AT&T DOES support MMS
B) AT&T has chosen to NOT allow iPhone users to use it right now until they can upgrade the network a little more! It's very bandwidth intensive when you consider how many iPhones are floating around!!!!!
C) Have some fricking patience! It's coming! So is a LOT better network with the 850mhz network enhancements!!! By the end of this year, you'll all have nothing to bitch about!!!! | |
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And since copy/paste has been available, I've used it once. And that was just to try it out. Funny, I started believing all the hype about its horrible to be missing cut & paste. Almost believing I had to have it. Now that I have it.... I couldnt care less. | |
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