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join:2006-03-12
Columbus, OH
kudos:1 | Most are already illegal. If they ignored the earlier restrictions, they are surely going to ignore these. | |
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 | | | Re: Most are already illegal. said by K Patterson:If they ignored the earlier restrictions, they are surely going to ignore these. 100% agree. Lately I've been bombarded with an attack of calls from carpet cleaners. No matter what you say, they don't stop. Reporting the violation to DoNotCall (if you can manage to find out where the call came from), I've never found does any good. Come September 1st, I don't expect anything to change. | |
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| | K PattersonPremium,MVM
join:2006-03-12
Columbus, OH
kudos:1 | Re: Most are already illegal. Well, now. Carpet cleaners.
You could book an appointment, assuming they will do that without a credit card. When they show up, take a couple of photos and let them know you are suing them in small claims.
You would also have a name to report to the state attorney general and the FCC. | |
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| | | | | Re: Most are already illegal. said by K Patterson:When they show up, take a couple of photos and let them know you are suing them in small claims. You would also have a name to report to the state attorney general and the FCC. Unfortunately the DoNotCall list provisions don't allow you to sue. The company can be fined by the government, but you won't get a dime.
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join:2003-05-28
Earth
kudos:1
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| Re: Most are already illegal. In addition, you could pursue it in small claims court for harassment for $5,000.
[While the politicians may have wrote themselves an exemption in the DNC requirements, they are not exempt from getting sued for harassment- if they call multiple times. ] | |
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join:2002-04-17
San Francisco, CA
1 edit | Banks? Man, they really do rule the world! | |
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| zed260Premium
join:2007-09-30
Cleveland, TN
kudos:1 | Re: Banks? dont talk bad to our bank overlords im warning you lol
but seruiesly banks are the most powerfull companys on earth | |
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| | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Banks? I dunno, these telecom companies... | |
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join:2007-09-30
Cleveland, TN
kudos:1 | Re: Banks? banks controll money give me controll of all the banks and i can make the whole economy crash | |
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join:2009-06-09
Washington, DC Reviews:
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| Re: Banks? So, it will increase the percent of the GDP it's sucking up by health care by 2% of our 2008 level which would actually result in an overall decrease in net expenditure, and result in a smaller percentage of the GDP being eaten by health care within a few years? Sign me up. | |
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said by chimera:So, it will increase the percent of the GDP it's sucking up by health care by 2% of our 2008 level which would actually result in an overall decrease in net expenditure, and result in a smaller percentage of the GDP being eaten by health care within a few years? Sign me up. | |
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join:2002-03-04
Lost
kudos:11
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| said by zed260:banks controll money give me controll of all the banks and i can make the whole economy crash They already did that, let's wait for something else, like...
uh, I dunno...maybe socialism, Naaa we already did that too.
Hey, I know...let's try a dictatorship. We already have the czars in place 
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| said by SLD:Man, they really do rule the world! I don't know where DSLR is getting "banks" from. The FTC document says:
said by 16 CFR Part 310 :
The Commission also has decided to adopt two exemptions from the requirements of the prerecorded call amendment that commenters strongly advocated. First, all healthcare-related calls subject to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (‘‘HIPAA’’)4 will be exempt from all of the requirements of the amendment. Second, charitable fundraising calls made by for-profit telemarketers to members of, or previous donors to, a non-profit charitable organization on whose behalf the calls are placed will be exempt from the requirement to obtain prior consent, ... The word "bank" doesn't even appear in the document.
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| |  cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:5
 ·Frontier FiOS
| Re: Banks? Click on the first link on the summary. Skip to the fifth paragraph that reads: quote:
In addition, calls not covered by the TSR – including those from politicians, banks, telephone carriers, and most charitable organizations – are not covered by the new prohibition. The new prohibition on prerecorded messages does not apply to certain healthcare messages. The new rule prohibits telemarketing robocalls to consumers whether or not they previously have done business with the seller.
Emphasis added.
Banks are already exempted from the TSR so an additional explicit exemption from robocalls would be redundant. | |
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| | |  SteveI know your IP addressConsultant
join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA
kudos:5 | Re: Banks? The summary is not the regulation; the regulation is the regulation.
The terms "financial institution" and "bank" do not appear in the regulation. | |
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| | | | K PattersonPremium,MVM
join:2006-03-12
Columbus, OH
kudos:1 | Re: Banks? That's because the FTC does not have any authority over the conduct of banks, ergo, cannot regulate their use of robocalling. | |
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| | | | cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:5 Reviews:
·Frontier FiOS
| said by Steve:The terms "financial institution" and "bank" do not appear in the regulation. Your right. It doesn't appear in the regulation because the FTC doesn't have the authority to regulate banks, insurance companies, political pollsters, etc to begin with.
Karl's summary just points out that banks are among a group of callers that aren't covered under the rules that go into affect 9/1. amigo_boy  said he didn't know where Karl was getting banks from. I supplied a link, the same link that Karl gave in the summary, that explicitly mentions banks as being excluded, plus additional information that banks were exempt from TSR already. What more do you want? | |
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join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA
kudos:5
1 edit | Re: Banks? said by cdru: What more do you want? Your "The FTC doesn't have the authority to regulate banks" is a lot more useful than saying "Banks aren't covered - take my word for it".
Thank you. | |
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 hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greedPremium
join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
kudos:1 | Jail time plz Violators will face penalties of up to $16,000 per call
fuck that! How about jail time for those responsible for these calls. | |
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| | | Re: Jail time plz who do you jail then?
everyone?
owner(s)?
manager(s)?
programmer(s)?
people who bought the dialer thing?
people who made the decision to call anyways (probably the managers)?
call takers?
i think a monetary fine is better. imo, it should be closer to $16000 minimum. | |
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| | hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greedPremium
join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
kudos:1 | Re: Jail time plz said by cornelius785:who do you jail then? everyone? owner(s)? manager(s)? programmer(s)? people who bought the dialer thing? people who made the decision to call anyways (probably the managers)? call takers? i think a monetary fine is better. imo, it should be closer to $16000 minimum. who ever gives the initial orders to call.
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| | | | said by cornelius785:who do you jail then? everyone? owner(s)? manager(s)? programmer(s)? people who bought the dialer thing? people who made the decision to call anyways (probably the managers)? call takers? All of the above! | |
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| | | | | Re: Jail time plz Wire them to a phone and let them get 12 volts every time a telemarketer calls! Muah-haha! | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Jail time plz said by oOOOo:Wire them to a phone and let them get 12 volts every time a telemarketer calls! Muah-haha! You mean 90V AC. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Jail time plz Whatever voltage they get is fine with me. More=better.
....sheesh.... | |
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join:2000-03-23
Havre, MT
 ·3Rivers Communic..
| Re: Jail time plz hell why not a trillion volts ac? it should be 10-99mA each time. Remember boys and girls, ladies and gentlemen its not the voltage that killz its the amperage!
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| | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | said by cornelius785:who do you jail then? everyone? owner(s)? manager(s)? programmer(s)? people who bought the dialer thing? people who made the decision to call anyways (probably the managers)? call takers? i think a monetary fine is better. imo, it should be closer to $16000 minimum. The fine is meaningless, you declare bankruptcy and have assets disappear (or never any to begin with), and open up shop again. In an small business office building I work at, there are businesses, usually stock brokers/"funds" who change the name on their door every quarter, but same guys walking in and out every day.
Go find the papers of incorporation, and arrest all the "directors" and hold them liable for the robocalls by default, they accepted responsibility/liability by signing on the line, if they want to plea bargain and testify against subordinates, if the DA wants to, they can walkaway without charges. When someone goes to jail, either you come out even more of a criminal, or you come out being an angel for the rest of your life who always drives 55. | |
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|  GlobalMindDomino Dude, POWER Systems GuyPremium
join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL | said by hopeflicker:Violators will face penalties of up to $16,000 per callfuck that! How about jail time for those responsible for these calls. No f that pay me the $16k per call.  | |
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|  StreetSpiritThis spot reserved for Xenu.Premium
join:2002-08-13
Roslyn, NY
kudos:3
·Optimum Online
·Optimum Voice
1 edit | said by hopeflicker:Violators will face penalties of up to $16,000 per callfuck that! How about jail time for those responsible for these calls. If you have yet to appreciate the effects of a clogged up prison system, you've been asleep the last few days and the last 40 years.
We let out psychopathic, sadistic rapist/child abductors like the latest s*ck f*ck who will live out his years in protective custody housing. I bet he's even trying to claim diminished capacity. The police won't even take the time to investigate properly and do a simple background check. The monster's pedophilia/rape rap sheet goes back to the 70's yet he was released on bail in 88.
And you want to put more people in prison? For robocalls? What the hell are you smoking, jack?
We have the worst fear of parents playing out DAILY in our cities, children getting snatched from a school bus stop.
Why kid yourself... It ain't happening. Now if they had a joint on them, then I bet they'd get 10 year sentences.
Justice. | |
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| | hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greedPremium
join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
kudos:1 | Re: Jail time plz said by StreetSpirit:said by hopeflicker:Violators will face penalties of up to $16,000 per callfuck that! How about jail time for those responsible for these calls. If you have yet to appreciate the effects of a clogged up prison system, you've been asleep the last few days and the last 40 years. We let out psychopathic, sadistic rapist/child abductors like the latest s*ck f*ck who will live out his years in protective custody housing. I bet he's even trying to claim diminished capacity. The police won't even take the time to investigate properly and do a simple background check. The monster's pedophilia/rape rap sheet goes back to the 70's yet he was released on bail in 88. And you want to put more people in prison? For robocalls? What the hell are you smoking, jack? We have the worst fear of parents playing out DAILY in our cities, children getting snatched from a school bus stop. Why kid yourself... It ain't happening. Now if they had a joint on them, then I bet they'd get 10 year sentences. Justice. plz do not poopoo my fantasy. 
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| | Bring this to Canada Would love to see this rule in Canada.. I'm tired of the automated phone calls...
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| | | Re: I thought the do not call list was working. The DNC GIVES companies that you once did business with permission to call YOU up to (i think) 6 months. If you wish to stop you must notify them in writing. | |
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| |  bigunkGort, Klattu Birada Nikto
join:2001-02-10
USA | Re: I thought the do not call list was working. It's 18 months, last I checked. | |
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| said by bgraham:Since putting all of our phone numbers on the Do Not Call List our telemarketing call have dropped to next to zero. Same with me. I've had a few flare-ups. But, it's nothing like 2000-2003 when 9 out of 10 calls were telemarketers and I literally didn't bother answering my phone when it rang.
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| | | Re: The FCC Shield looks like a Joker I think I will carve that face in a pumpkin. | |
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|  VarlikWithout Honor You Will Never Be FreePremium
join:2002-01-06
Anderson, SC | Actually it's the FTC shield. | |
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join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
kudos:1
·AT&T U-Verse
 ·DIRECTV
| Ever get those "Carpet Cleaner" calls? We get them about once a month or so.... turns out they were actually allowed to do that because of some loophole in the wall that allowed them to call if YOUR ADDRESS had done prior business with them. Apparantly, if your LAND LORD cleans all the carpets before you move in, the carper cleaner in question is somehow allowed to keep that address, later put it in a search engine, find the matching phone number, and add you to their auto-call list.
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| VarlikWithout Honor You Will Never Be FreePremium
join:2002-01-06
Anderson, SC | Re: Ever get those "Carpet Cleaner" calls? It doesn't matter who the landlord is of a particular residence. If the phone is in your name they can't call you. So unless your phones (cell or landline) are in your landlords name. Or for some even odder reason are listed along with yourself on your phone accounts. So that when the phone bill comes both your names are on it then they cannot call you. If some business told you that they were feeding you a turd sandwich. Believe me I've had businesses (A local carpet cleaners) try that with me and I've reported them to the FTC.
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| | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Re: Ever get those "Carpet Cleaner" calls? ... agreed. It goes by phone number and the owner of that line.
Once on the list, standard rules apply. Change your address, name on the account, carrier, etc. and the number is free'd from the list and it has/must to be relisted again.
It has nothing to do with the address specifically. | |
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 RallyBah HumbugPremium
join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY | Thank God No more Heather from Account Services - My Car warranty is about to expire - or I've won a fucking cruise.
I hope they all goto jail and die a very painful rape death.
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|  MadnessLike a flea circus at a dog show
join:2000-01-05
Quincy, MA
kudos:1 | Re: Thank God Agreed! In addition to the warranty & credit card calls, I've also gotten one about refinancing a home -- sometimes they'd call like 3+, times a day!
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | the warranty people tend to spoof the caller ID from what i have seen so they likely dont care about the law at all anyway.
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| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | said by Rally:No more Heather from Account Services - My Car warranty is about to expire - or I've won a fucking cruise. I hope they all goto jail and die a very painful rape death. Somehow through some legal paper work, they advertisers will be a subsidiary of 1000s of companies who sell your contact info to their "subsidiary". Remember anything you do online can be written consent to receive calls, »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic···erce_Act . | |
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 shollingPremium
join:2002-02-13
Hemet, CA
kudos:1
·Verizon FiOS
| Bogus Credit Card Scam Making Me Nuts Those bas*****s have been robo calling my home, sometimes more than once a day, for a year or more. And yes I'm on the do not call list. They just spoof their caller id so reporting them does little good. I'm just unhappy that the FCC can't impose the death penalty.
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| | | Re: Bogus Credit Card Scam Making Me Nuts said by sholling:Those bas*****s have been robo calling my home, sometimes more than once a day, for a year or more. And yes I'm on the do not call list. They just spoof their caller id so reporting them does little good. I'm just unhappy that the FCC can't impose the death penalty. /rant Agree about the death penalty bit. I'm usually against the death penalty, but for robocalls lets fry them. | |
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 rds24aTeach Your ChildrenPremium
join:2000-12-13
Newton Upper Falls, MA
·Verizon FiOS
·RoadRunner Cable
| Written consent is easy to get Just hide it in some terms and conditions and instantly you have written consent to call. Half the purpose behind the ubiquitous survey-sweepstakes offers is to get your contact info and implied consent to market.
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| VarlikWithout Honor You Will Never Be FreePremium
join:2002-01-06
Anderson, SC | Re: Written consent is easy to get That's why they need to add a provision to the law stating that if they chose to offer a sweepstakes or surveys that participation in them is not considered consent in regards to receiving marketing from them or their business affiliates. | |
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| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | said by rds24a:Just hide it in some terms and conditions and instantly you have written consent to call. Half the purpose behind the ubiquitous survey-sweepstakes offers is to get your contact info and implied consent to market. And supermarket loyalty cards. Your shopping history, product selection, and subtotals, and free samples (getting these is very strange, depends on the stereotype of the neighborhood around the supermarket, even if you live far from the supermarket, if I shop at the supermarket closets to me as the crows fly, I get nothing, if I shop at the same chain, but at a location that is much farther from me, but deeper into rich idyllic suburbia, I get 1-2 free samples a week); are gold to them and are much more than the 2-3% they loose over giving you token discounts. They should pay you to use your card per month. | |
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| |  sivranBack to Opera againPremium
join:2003-09-15
Arlington, TX
kudos:1 | Re: Written consent is easy to get What, you gave legitimate info when you filled out the form for one of those? 
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| | | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Written consent is easy to get said by sivran:What, you gave legitimate info when you filled out the form for one of those? It would have been more difficult to read if I said it was my grandparents shopping habits. | |
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| | Robocalls when i first put my number into the Do not call list they stopped.... now i been getting more and more calls from some really rude people. i find it somewhat funny since i tell them i am on the do not call list. the say you really think that works. so i ask their company name and they wont give me any info. they get all super pissed and start yelling. just have it on speaker while i keep working. not really wasting my time but good for a laugh.
can we give written consent to take our numbers of when its time for reelection? | |
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 tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3 | can Spam?.. CAN TELEMARKETERS Some empty 55 gallon drums, and a few hours of white steam could take care of the problem... and Hormel could have a new product. | |
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| bigunkGort, Klattu Birada Nikto
join:2001-02-10
USA | Re: can Spam?.. CAN TELEMARKETERS I'm gonna setup a voicemail that picks up the caller ID and plays a nasty ass message. And when they spoof to another number, I'll add that to the list. Two can play the game. I'll use technology to fight technology. | |
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join:2001-04-26
South Bend, IN | Saved by the bell. The only reason they call instead of showing up at your door is their afraid of being shot. | |
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 jtudorXm 60's On 6 FreakPremium,MVM
join:2002-12-07
Morganton, NC | Politicians What I really hate is the politicians who do the robocalls to cell phones, and they always spoof the Caller ID.
Last election, I called the office of the two idiots here who were using this despicable practice and gave them a piece of my mind. I also told them that they had lost my vote because of the robocalls.
That may be one way to get the attention of the politicians, but I don't think they listen to anything except greenback $$ any more.
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| sivranBack to Opera againPremium
join:2003-09-15
Arlington, TX
kudos:1 | Re: Politicians I've never gotten junk calls or messages of any sort on my cellphone... but maybe that's because it's prepaid.
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| | | | Re: Politicians Does not matter. Mine is Net 10 and they still call. I messed with one girl once for 12 mins. Even made up a credit card number for a car warranty. Told her I wanted the top of the line warranty for my 59 Edsel aircooled 9 cyl dumptruck. Ended the call with saying I just wanted to see how much of her time I could waste and quoted Ron White. "You can't fix STUPID!"
Then came the credit card calls. I hit one and said call someone who has a credit card!" | |
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nitzanPremium,VIP
join:2008-02-27
kudos:2
1 edit | Not going to help. Gee, so all those folks in South America and India trying to scam you are going to care that their call is now illegal? yeah right...
What this hopefully WILL get - is greater awareness by phone companies. Most of them turn a blind eye if the money is good. I'm not sure if they will be liable under the new rules - but if there is even a chance they are, we'll see a reduction in those calls.
(telecom carriers are usually 100% immune and not responsible for what their subscribers do with their line. I think this is a good thing - but it does let a few rotten apples turn a blind eye to billions of calls they KNOW are telespam) | |
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| | callblocking robocalls I bought a Panasonic cordless phone for home KX-TG6441.
Lets you save calls under "callblock" then next time the same number calls, it blocks the call. Unfortunately the phone still rings once and then stops. There may be a way to stop the "ring once", I'm not sure. It doesn't have to be the exact model number. | |
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| | hehehe I don't get any telemarketing calls. Since I go without having a phone. lol | |
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| | this is funny and ez to get around the companies will just robo call from another country and vava voom they got around the restriction | |
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| | So does this mean partisan political robocalls will end? No message. Just 'hope'. | |
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