  KeepOnRockinMusic Lover ForeverPremium
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1 edit | Just Try It! "gaming not essential to broadband"? rofl 
Of course, unless you like your ping times in the 1000+ range.
I play WoW and couldn't imagine playing it on a slow connection. Raids on dialup or satellite? it probably wouldn't happen with the latency.
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Gurnee, IL | Re: Just Try It! MMO's work fine with a dial-up connection. By design, MMO's are high-latency to begin with. Having a 300ms ping or a 70ms ping isn't going to make much difference during a huge raid. About the only thing broadband is good for in online gaming are FPS's; Where you want as low as latency as possible for obvious reasons.
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| Re: Just Try It! said by jvanbrecht:That is not technically correct. During raids, when your machine has to keep track of 40+ characters (players and mobs), as well as what each of those characters is doing to render the correct effects, as well as monitor the health and status of each of those players, and the mobs, is by far not low latency, my latency went from 40ms during normal play, to well over 1000 during major raids sometimes (granted, graphics lag also accounted for some of that). Point being, low latency connections suck... That is not technically correct.
Volume of data does not equal latency unless you are saturating some part of your connection, which is very unlikely with WoW. More likely, the raid instance was running on a different server with a different route that was inducing extra latency. Graphics lag also won't cause high latency, they're two different things. The ability of your machine to draw frames won't affect your network connections ability to send and receive packets in a timely manner.
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| | | | | | Re: Just Try It! True, but the client reports the graphics latency as lag unfortunately. I also keep the lagometer up in the left hand corner, and while its not the most reliable or accurate, it gets the point across. Granted I quit wow just after the first expansion pack went live (guild broke up due to burnout)
And that was the point I was making, with low broadband definitions, it is easy to saturate the link. I never had too much problem with that though as a FIOS user. | |
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| Re: Just Try It! said by jvanbrecht:True, but the client reports the graphics latency as lag unfortunately. I also keep the lagometer up in the left hand corner, and while its not the most reliable or accurate, it gets the point across. Granted I quit wow just after the first expansion pack went live (guild broke up due to burnout) And that was the point I was making, with low broadband definitions, it is easy to saturate the link. I never had too much problem with that though as a FIOS user. WoW reports ms (latency) and FPS (Frames Per Second) separately. WoW wouldn't saturate a 768k connection. Not even close. Games use surprisingly little bandwidth.
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Broomfield, CO | Re: Careful What You Say, AT&T said by Hazy Arc:As Karl pointed out, gamers likely make up a large portion of your customer base, and I'm sure they are the ones lapping up the more expensive speed tiers. How ignorant of AT&T to shun such a large group of customers who are willing to pay top dollar for a fast connection. amen, as a gamer, if someone suddenly offered better speeds for a price without a chance of cutting my bandwidth, then i would do it
at&t is thinking that gamers are only a small part of anyones customer base
im sure nothing will come of this, anyone with a shred of common sense will see at&t is just being an idiot
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gaming was not only the highest of art forms, but a necessary educational tool An art form? Necessary educational tool? LOL - While online gaming may be fun for those with nothing but time on their hands, it is NOT something that fits in to the category of a "must have" for broadband. I think AT&T got it right by calling it aspirational(nice to have, but not necessary). | |
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kudos:12 | Re: Online Games - nice to have, but not necessary said by fAcEtIOUs:gaming was not only the highest of art forms, but a necessary educational tool An art form? Necessary educational tool? LOL - While online gaming may be fun for those with nothing but time on their hands, it is NOT something that fits in to the category of a "must have" for broadband. I think AT&T got it right by calling it aspirational(nice to have, but not necessary). I played educational games on computers in school when I was growing up -- now those games are internet based ... | |
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kudos:12 | Re: Online Games - nice to have, but not necessary said by jester121:No kidding man, Oregon Trail SUCKS unless your ping time is 50ms. Funny you mention that, I actually grabbed the updated version of that the other day for nostalgic reasons.  | |
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Lake Zurich, IL | Re: Online Games - nice to have, but not necessary I don't know if I could bear to see an updated version, the Apple IIe version on a monochrome monitor has a fond place in my memories. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: Online Games - nice to have, but not necessary Wow, it has been a while since I sat in 5th grade playing OT on a IIe....oh the memories... | |
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kudos:14 | said by fAcEtIOUs:gaming was not only the highest of art forms, but a necessary educational tool An art form? Necessary educational tool? LOL - While online gaming may be fun for those with nothing but time on their hands, it is NOT something that fits in to the category of a "must have" for broadband. I think AT&T got it right by calling it aspirational(nice to have, but not necessary). I'm in agreement here. Or, well, at least partially.
Firstly, I'm in agreement with Karl's statement that ISPs advocating the baseline remain low ensures that the ISP doesn't have to meet any kind of standard -- and that's bad, borderline absurd in this day and age. Yes, I will go this far: SLAs are becoming more and more commonplace, even in the residential market. Hell, I have a friend of 25 years who pays me to manage a co-located server for him, and even though we've known each other for that amount of time, we still have a legally established SLA for what he and I both have to provide as far as service, response times, and monetary reimbursement goes. I'm of the opinion that things like mobile (wireless) phone carriers should also have SLAs with their customers, so that both parties can hold the other accountable for bad service or lack of payment. You get the point. People call this a "contract", except if you examine your contract with a consumer ISP, there are explicit clauses which exclude them from meeting any kind of latency, speed, or bandwidth baseline.
That said, I believe some form of latency measurement (between the customer/CPE and the ISP) should be included in our definition of broadband, as well as overall bandwidth (up and down) defined. So in that respect I agree with the "gamers".
The argument that gaming is a part of our participative culture? I also agree, mostly. My generation used to achieve the exact same cultural experience by going to arcades. The only difference is now it's being done within one's own home, and with multiple people, often internationally. However I don't think using culture as a justification point is believable; again, see my comment about arcades.
Otherwise, I wish the "gamers" luck with their endeavour, as I think it'll fall on deaf ears. Hell, I'm surprised any of them were able to write a coherent letter to the FCC to begin with. Oh wait, the letter in question was from a group/company/something named "Entertainment Software Association", pardon me. I was expecting to see a hand-written letter with the words "lol", "n00b", "pwn" used excessively, and every other word consisting of a typo or derogatory term like "fag".
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| Re: Online Games - nice to have, but not necessary said by koitsu:I was expecting to see a hand-written letter with the words "lol", "n00b", "pwn" used excessively, and every other word consisting of a typo or derogatory term like "fag". OMG WTF U mean by taht comment U stoopid N00b, I come pwn u ass!
Still, however, I think a lot of gamers are intelligent, articulate people. What you're referring to is a sub-culture behavior that is willingly engaged in by gamers to identify with the "Gaming scene."
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Louisville, KY | Re: Online Games - nice to have, but not necessary At least they'll have some strong reason to care about keeping the networks running great. Some techs I run into are stuck in the 'acceptable only' mindset, and a few not even that. | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | said by Mr Fel:At least they'll have some strong reason to care about keeping the networks running great. Some techs I run into are stuck in the 'acceptable only' mindset, and a few not even that. some of that is they are lazy and some of that is what i like to call a Management Fail. "acceptable only" looks better to the bean counters(because hiring less techs and running a router or two at 120% during peak costs less then a fallback to load balance to) so that is all they do
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| For online mmo's I would suggest the age is around 25. For most subscription mmo's which cost money to play each month the average person has some income.
Here on Dslreports.com its 32
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I ton of people here play WoW. A large enough following that we have our own forum here on dslreports.
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Louisville, KY | Re: Online Games - nice to have, but not necessary I should have mentioned the online consoles, didn't mean to insult anyone if I have. I'm on the consoles much more frequently than I am WoW, more pleasant experience communicating on WoW. | |
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For me, it's about network neutraility. at&t has no business telling people what's important or not to their users. The latency should be low and the speed should be high...
Other broadband applications can benefit from lower latency as well.
I really must ask these ISPs, if all you want us to do is simply surf the net and get email, what's the point of having broadband? What the point of paying $100 a month on internet? Why are you around again?
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Should there be broadband sufficient for gaming everywhere? The answer is NO. At least if it is not cost effective. If it is cost effective, have at it. Otherwise, if your life centers around online games, move.
Should everyone be able to access e-mail and websites with flash content and video? The answer is yes. | |
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Ignore the gaming aspect and focus on if the definition for broadband. Should the definition contain language supporting a minimum average latency just as they have a minimum average transfer rate. And how does each get measured?
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Ultimately what interests us about broadband is not what it is, but what it enables," the search engine giant wrote to the Commission. Broadband should be defined at speeds "that enable full utilization of broadband services and applications." The connections should be "sufficiently robust" enough to let users "receive, generate and interact with voice, data, graphics and video, which will enable users to receive the maximum value of broadband."
Google's dream definition of broadband? "A high-quality, 'always on,' packet switched, technology-neutral, high speed communications transmission platform," the company suggests. "This platform further should allow users to harness the Internet, access and upload content, and otherwise engage in high-speed two-way connectivity and interactivity."
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kudos:1 | Re: I have to agree said by SRFireside:Most on here don't see it as a latency issue They would if they have ever been cursed with satellite "broadband"(rofl).
Alot more things rely on low latency than video games. | |
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| Re: I have to agree said by DrModem:said by SRFireside:Most on here don't see it as a latency issue They would if they have ever been cursed with satellite "broadband"(rofl). Alot more things rely on low latency than video games. like our sanity? | |
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| Re: I have to agree said by fifty nine:said by nnaarrnn:So what you're saying is that watching some jackass on youtube is more important than playing a game? I am saying that taking a class online (with video) is more important than playing a game. Neither of which really rely on low latency. Video gets buffered. Games can't work on this principal. I've been in an online college curriculum for over 3 years and latency has never been an issue with anything I've ever needed.
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| | | said by fifty nine:Of course the game addicts will disagree. Video gaming is a luxury. Should there be broadband sufficient for gaming everywhere? The answer is NO. At least if it is not cost effective. If it is cost effective, have at it. Otherwise, if your life centers around online games, move. Should everyone be able to access e-mail and websites with flash content and video? The answer is yes. You try operating a VPN on a high latency connection.
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| KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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| said by fifty nine:Of course the game addicts will disagree. Video gaming is a luxury. Just like streaming video is a luxury, fast downloading is a luxury, live music is a luxury, VOIP is a luxury etc etc
If all we Internet access for is "Faster" web pages loading and doing email, the lowest and slowest tiers are probably sufficient. And that's all it's worth paying for, too. $10 a month or so.
However, if you want to do ANYTHING else with your connection, you need decent bandwidth, low latency, and no caps.
It's not just about gaming. Tried using VOIP on a high latency connection? Forget about it.
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| | | | | Re: I have to agree You sure about that? Gaming is a business for many people. Especially those who do support from home.
Lets do this, replace "gaming" with "Interactive Multimedia Entertainment". Does Interactive Multimedia Entertainment make it sound less "recreational"?
What if you were told that Interactive Multimedia Entertainment was a medium that utilized the interactions of massive amounts of people to share audio and visual information in a virtual reality setting at the same time? Still sound recreational?
What if Interactive Multimedia Entertainment, was a 9 billion dollar a year industry that not only included large development houses, but independent developers that work from home? Still recreational?
Get past the "gaming" prejudice and understand that it is so much more than just little johnny sitting on his couch with a controller in hand.
Yet allow AT&T or anyone else try to pigeon hole one service just because they dont want to be beholden to provide for that service and a lot more than just "gaming" gets affected. | |
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1 edit | Low latency an important factor If the FCC is going to waste taxpayer money defining broadband it should absolutely have a latency component with it being at worst 100ms (eg to the head end). Latency is critical for not just real-time fast gaming (like FPS) but also applications like VoIP.
IOW, "gaming" is not essential, but to qualify for any 'broadband' label, good reliable latency should be essential. If they don't want to provide decent service, they can stop calling it broadband.
And that is another thing. If a definition comes to fruition, the FTC should enforce it, stopping any provider from calling their service broadband if it doesn't meet the minimum definition with at least 2 9's reliability. Again, if a provider can't do it, their competitors who can will get the marketing advantage of being able to call their service broadband. | |
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|  SSX4lifeHello WorldPremium
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kudos:2 | Soooo Standard rule of edumacation.....
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kudos:2 | Re: Soooo said by FBGuy:yes. he went there. LOL Why not, it's obviously true. | |
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Swayzee, IN | Remind Me Could someone please remind me again why they are spending so much time defining something that by its very nature is a moving target? Does anyone know if they are taking the other key factors of service into account with this definition process? Things like latency, node capacity, backbone capability, redundancy.
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| | | Re: Remind Me said by cptmiles:Could someone please remind me again why they are spending so much time defining something that by its very nature is a moving target? Because the Government wants to define who it will dole out your hard earned tax dollars to. | |
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| Re: Remind Me said by fifty nine:said by powerspec88:said by cptmiles:A gamer would probably be okay with a 1M service if it were cheap reliable and with low latency. I would kill for low latency at a much slower speed that what im getting with my Sprint EV-DO. I have a friend that has a 512/128k DSL line and plays games fine with it. But do you think that the Government should be forcing ISPs to provide a service just so that you can play a game? If it allows me to play games w/o a ~120ms ping, then im all for it.
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North Richland Hills, TX | Gamers Just image if all gamers said fuck it and cancelled there HSI with ATT just think about how much Att would lose. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Gamers said by koma3504: Just image if all gamers said fuck it and cancelled there HSI with ATT just think about how much Att would lose. Considering they aren't the only ISP around. They may not lose much. | |
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| Internet is just a bunch of tubes ! Seriously, How can I get a Jorb at AT&T and fire these @holioes!
I see nothing good coming out of this.
Meanwhile, gaming console pundits (Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo) are moving ahead with downloads and streaming (eg Xbox LIVE games are downloadable now, and more on the way, with content averaging 2-4Gigs). Game/video Demos from Sony and MS are averaging .8-1Gig in size.
How can one not same Gaming/Entertainment consoles aren't (rename them) the future? STB will go the way of VCRs. HMCs (Home media centers) as central appliance.
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kudos:5 | Asking "What is Essential" is Missing the Point of the 'Net What is essential to you is not essential to me, and vice-versa. If I'm trying to read the latest weather radar images, I am using ftp. If I'm trying to nudge a camera over to the left from across the country, I'm using UDP or HTTP (inside TCP). All of this is essential to me, at that moment, and my neighbor to my left could give a rip about it.
Trying to boil the net down to essential and non-essential services is bogus from the start. Then, if we do think we've accomplished that, it would only serve to tend to project today's 'Net usage onto tomorrow's 'Net users.
We already know that dog doesn't hunt: it's why we have such sucky upload speeds and good download speeds -- someone in 1995 licked their finger and said that the future 'Net users would want to download 20 times more than they'd want to upload. That locked us into access networks that are merely "one size fits most."
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1 edit | Definition of "gaming" Clearly "online gaming" in this context refers to video games such as WOW. However, there is an entirely different definition of "gaming" that also exists, where "gaming" = "gambling". The gambling industry prefers to refer to its business as "gaming"; I guess it sounds a little more respectable than "gambling" . I wonder if the at&t argument would also be directed to that definition of "online gaming"? | |
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Sugar Grove, VA | Highspeed.. A broadband connection is pretty much needed for online gaming anymore..
Cant play FPS obviously.
MMOs are getting closer and closer to broadband required.. Ill use WoW as the example.. You can experience alot of the game with dialup but starting with the 5 man dungeons dialup just cant handle it ( there is a couple you can do but the lag is still horrendous and you hope your group doesnt notice ) and raids are by far out of the realm of possibility on a dialup connection. There is just to much data to be exchanged and the 4kb/2kb connection aint gonna cut it.
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kudos:2 | well, back to the old days circa 1997. HPB and LPB.
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Palo Alto, CA | My own pipe & gaming Having my own pipe (24/7) being able to transmit data alongside gaming was the reason why I got Broadband @home in the first place.. Otherwise I'd just drive a block down & leech off the libraries FREE! WiFi. | |
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| If you need me... I'll be online playing some of this 'nonessential' COD 4, one of the easiest stress reliefs I have thanks to my nice ok dsl connection.
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1 edit | Re: I am going to have to disagree with karl. Then you don't need a elite tier. What you describe could be done on the lowest tier and save you a lot of money.
However, I'm betting you're not in hurry to switch--- just in case you want to watch that Youtube video, download a large file, listen to some streaming music/ etc etc
Oh wait I see you have MagicJack..... Well, that changes things.
You need low latency, or your MJ service is history, never to repeat. So, really, you need to agree with Karl. | |
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| DrModemPremium
join:2006-10-19
USA
kudos:1 | said by David:So is gaming essential to me? No, it's not! It may not be, but your VOIP and anything like remote access may be important to you.
Why don't you switch to Hughesnet to get a taste of a high latency connection? It's easy to talk about how low latency is unimportant as long as you don't have to deal with high latency yourself, but can you stand actually having a high latency connection? I think not. | |
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| |  DavidNow accepting new patientsPremium,VIP
join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL
kudos:70 | Re: I am going to have to disagree with karl. I was on dial up in 2003, what were you on? | |
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| | |  Duramax08A Challenger AppearsPremium
join:2008-08-03
San Antonio, TX | Re: I am going to have to disagree with karl. Im still on dial up, Maybe you can bump me up on that "list" AT&T said I was on for DSL =P | |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
·AT&T DSL Service
| Broadband for Emailing only Well, one has to ask themselves, if Broadband standards in the USA are going to be so weak, then really what's the point of paying for Broadband?
These "providers" are showing their true colors more and more. They want protected markets and captive consumers who pay them inflated prices and high overages but in return they want to deliver the worst and cheapest service possible.
Of course, it's really all about the money. They want us to fork it all over and cost them little to nothing in return.
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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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DrModemPremium
join:2006-10-19
USA
kudos:1 |  To whoever thinks low latency is only for games: a challenge
"Hey, give me some of that satellite goodness"
Use that satellite for a month(if you can last that long, heh).
See how far you get. You want to use VOIP? errrnt. Remote access? errrnt. Secure pages on shopping sites? errrnt.
You will see just how crippling that 1000+ ping really is to all your non-gaming needs. Except checking your email of course. That's perfectly doable, but if all you do is email why do you need a fast speed anyway? Get out. | |
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| | | Re: To whoever thinks low latency is only for games: a challenge Lineage, you nailed it. Not only will high latency kill gaming, but VOIP and remote access. I'm sure ATT would love to wipe VOIP off the planet. | |
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join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Re: To whoever thinks low latency is only for games: a challenge said by DustySilicon:Lineage, you nailed it. Not only will high latency kill gaming, but VOIP and remote access. I'm sure ATT would love to wipe VOIP off the planet. And there you have their whole reason for coming up with the statement to begin with
Kill the death star! | |
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| Duramax08A Challenger AppearsPremium
join:2008-08-03
San Antonio, TX | Like to see someone trying to argue this........ | |
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