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2 edits | Some additional info on FCC "open internet" plans Statements by other FCC commissioners:
»hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/a···69A1.pdf
»hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/a···70A1.pdf
News story:
»tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090921/···et_rules
And new rules to include WIRELESS:
»news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20090921/bs_nf/69053
Here is a video of the speech:
»www.openinternet.gov/join-discussion.html
As I posted this, the LIVE portion followup is still ongoing. The archive of the full video will come after the live feed is done.
And the web site set up to follow and participate in the whole rule making process for open internet:
»www.openinternet.gov/
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 Matt3All noise, no signal.Premium
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kudos:12 | Karl? Karl,
What is your opinion on this? You are usually very pragmatic and a little pessimistic about whether the FCC will really enact anything to protect consumers. Do you think this will actually have a backbone behind it, or is it just political posturing in the guise of consumer interests? |
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1 edit | Repub FCC commissioners have not commented yet said by Matt3:Do you think this will actually have a backbone behind it, or is it just political posturing in the guise of consumer interests?
I find it interesting that the 2 Dem FCC commissioners gave a big back slap to Genachowski in their statements. But the 2 Repub commissioners haven't commented yet. It seems to indicate they don't agree. We will find out later if they actually make something public.
But as shown in this news story, the FCC will get plenty of opposition from industry and from some in Congress. I'd bet that the wireless companies will lobby hardest against this.
»news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20090921/bs_nf/69053
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kudos:12 | Tk, you're telling me you're surprised that Dems and Repubs don't agree and the "new guy" won't take an official stance on anything either way yet?  |
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said by Linklist:I find it interesting that the 2 Dem FCC commissioners gave a big back slap to Genachowski in their statements. But the 2 Repub commissioners haven't commented yet. It seems to indicate they don't agree. I'm shocked I tell you, absolutely SHOCKED!  |
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Re: Karl? Karl,
What is your opinion on this? You are usually very pragmatic and a little pessimistic about whether the FCC will really enact anything to protect consumers. Do you think this will actually have a backbone behind it, or is it just political posturing in the guise of consumer interests? I'd have to wait for the actual rules to fully chime in. I will say AT&T and Verizon are still very much in the driver's seat when it comes to both parties of this government, and anybody really expecting tough, pro-consumer rules will be disappointed. I'd expect fairly weak guidelines that do give the FCC a little more legal power for blatant instances of ISP shenanigans (cutting off a competing VoIP carrier), but I think the real push, driven by lobbyists, will be about pre-empting tougher Congressional laws while using "transparency" to help push the idea of metered billing on consumers. |
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Utica, MI | This will usher in a new era of usage caps I am all for net neutrality. But this will only embolden ISPs and wireless phone companies to create new and smaller usage caps to prevent file traders from overwhelming their networks. It is also the perfect excuse to raise/add fees to squeeze extra dollars out of customers. This will be the next big fight. ISP's trying to one up each other on who offers the higher usage cap until we eventually go back to truly unlimited broadband usage circa 10 years ago. Any smart ISP or wireless phone provider should be looking for ways to massively increase their available bandwidth right now. |
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Re: Karl? let put on an addendum karl; any pro consumer aspects put forth by the FCC will end up being litigated far past this administrations shelf-life in hopes of a new more "business friendly" administration.
What he should do is outsource this policy framework to network engineers rather than attorneys!
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Re: This will usher in a new era of usage caps said by mix:I am all for net neutrality. But this will only embolden ISPs and wireless phone companies to create new and smaller usage caps to prevent file traders from overwhelming their networks. It is also the perfect excuse to raise/add fees to squeeze extra dollars out of customers. This will be the next big fight. ISP's trying to one up each other on who offers the higher usage cap until we eventually go back to truly unlimited broadband usage circa 10 years ago. Any smart ISP or wireless phone provider should be looking for ways to massively increase their available bandwidth right now. This sounds about right.
IMO this is a rational response to the proposed regulations. If the ISPs are not free to formulate their own, competing offerings to their perceived markets, but instead are regulated into providing only "approved" offerings, they will have to cap everyone, and all the ISPs will start looking the same. Innovative offerings go bye-bye.
This is a case of "be careful what you wish for". Unintended consequences almost always happen when well-intended laws turn into cumbersome, over-bearing regulatory processes. |
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Re: Karl? said by S_engineer:What he should do is outsource this policy framework to network engineers rather than attorneys! That would only serve to make the lawyers' jobs extremely easy after any rule enactment. Let the engineers do what they do best....engineer. They very well should have a voice in the matter, but they shouldn't be responsible for drafting policy. |
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Matt3All noise, no signal.Premium
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kudos:12 | said by openbox9:said by S_engineer:What he should do is outsource this policy framework to network engineers rather than attorneys! That would only serve to make the lawyers' jobs extremely easy after any rule enactment. Let the engineers do what they do best....engineer. They very well should have a voice in the matter, but they shouldn't be responsible for drafting policy. How about we compromise? Let the engineers write the rules, but let the lawyers add their legalese? |
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kudos:2 | That's kind of what I wrote. The engineers get a technical voice, but the lawyers make the rules legally defensible. |
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beaups
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Re: This will usher in a new era of usage caps This is productive. Start predicting and bitching about the outcome....well before the process even starts. |
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Re: Karl? Originally, the FCC was a mish mash of great thinkers, great engineers, lawyers, Doctors and just SMART, ACCOMPLISHED PEOPLE. Now it's solely lobbyists and lawyers stopping by on their way between think tank or K-Street employment. |
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Re: This will usher in a new era of usage caps Well, history does repeat itself, and if you've been paying attention to this sector, it's not too hard to predict trajectory... |
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kudos:2 | reply to Karl Bode
Re: Karl? I know the history, and I'm not disputing it. I support a good "mish mash" of thinkers, engineers, lawyers, PhD types, and "smart, accomplished people". As I'm sure you're well cognizant of, we most likely won't see that again as long as politics reign and money talks. |
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| You are correct sir! Other reforms need to happen first. |
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2 edits | no one owns the internet The internet is an public massive web of connected PCs and networks, and no one should have the right to limit or block someone elses traffic. This isn't a private network owned by some company where they can pick and choose and manage in precise detail. If they want to be apart of the Internet as we know it, all traffic should be equal and allowed and no ISP should be able to limit, block, modify, etc anything that is being sent over it. If they want to do that then they can create their own private network, that's not what the internet is. |
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Re: This will usher in a new era of usage caps I think new metered billing is worth bitching about. |
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Re: Karl? said by Karl Bode:You are correct sir! Other reforms need to happen first. mandatory chlorine in the gene pool?
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