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| Re: Union & evidently Ct Attny Genrl can't grasp simple facts .. I suspect they know more then you think. AT&T making more profit, expanding services, yet failing to meet customer service standards and failing to take corrective action (What are you going to do--- we're the phone company!)...
And of course, they love laying off Union workers for any reason.
It's well within the Attorney General's rights to hold their feet to the fire.
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Amerika | Re: Union & evidently Ct Attny Genrl can't grasp simple facts .. Why should AT&T be forced to offer better service than the gov't mandating the standards? More gov't,"do as I say, not as I do". | |
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| Re: Union & evidently Ct Attny Genrl can't grasp simple facts .. said by Z80:Why should AT&T be forced to offer better service than the gov't mandating the standards? More gov't,"do as I say, not as I do". more than gov mandated? where does it say they are even meeting those standards setup by CT? If you read the thing it actually says they are still not meeting those standards and won't because it's to much of an inconvenience to have on call people to take care of things instead they make people wait.
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| | | | | | Re: Union & evidently Ct Attny Genrl can't grasp simple facts .. True. And if ATT doesn't want or didn't want to ahere to those laws by CT they should have never taken over SNET when ATT was SBC. They knew up front what they were getting into and now they don't wanna do anything. | |
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Amerika | If AT&T is expected to meet standards, so should those enforcing the standards. The gov't should not demand of any business why they aren't willing to do themselves.
It is just typical government hypocrisy, the same type of hypocrisy that had Congress lecturing GM over flying in on a corporate yet and mismanagement when Congress voted themselves new jets and the government is the most mismanaged entity is the history of entities. But unlike government, businesses like AT&T can't just print money or raise taxes. | |
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| | | | | said by Z80:Why should AT&T be forced to offer better service than the gov't mandating the standards? More gov't,"do as I say, not as I do". LOL! Thanks for that... | |
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| said by fAcEtIOUs:Fewer customers means fewer workers needed to service them. And less income to pay them. Of course a government employee would have trouble grasping that concept - they just raise taxes when they want more money I live in Connecticut, and just over a month ago, our last landline was ported to VOIP. We had no problem with our POTS service in over 30 years. The state regulations, or AT&T's performance with respect to them were insignificant.
VOIP costs a lot less, and is good enough. AT&T couldn't get uVerse to my home. AT&T couldn't offer competitive phone or data service to my family. We are on Comcast and VOIP.
Many friends in my neighborhood have moved from AT&T to Comcast HSI / CDV due to double and triple play offers.
Generally AT&T hasn't been able to get great deployment of high speed internet to many, it tries to cherry pick, and it doesn't offer competitive prices for its older products.
My current VOIP bill is $0 per month, my AT&T bill for local calls only was $45.
The problem with AT&T is the cost of its service for older stuff, and the taxes and fees government imposes.
Our Connecticut attorney general is really into publicity, and snarling at AT&T in this very blue state gets him some mileage. I think a concern for the state is loss of landline revenue, and our AG may be trying to set up some claw-back mechanism to help recover lost tax revenue from former landline customers. Personally I hope he loses. We are in the 21st century, AT&T has to offer competitive services or it will fail, and our government has to stop taxing and regulating services out of existence.
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kudos:2 | Does This Make Union Employees Happier? said by Karl Bode:AT&T says the layoffs are largely tied to the continuing erosion of landline customers, though they do note in their statement they're hiring 100 employees for their wireless division, which likely doesn't make union workers feel any better. Does this not make union workers feel any better?these employees have a guarantee of a job offer in another part of the business. And we expect that many of these surpluses -- possibly even all -- will be met by employees who volunteer for enhanced severance packages. | |
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1 edit | Re: Does This Make Union Employees Happier? Don't be naive. They are removing experience and long term job positions that are union and replacing them with lower paid temporary and "independent contractors." They also lower service and quality at the same time.... but save money.
As for the guarantee of a job offer... have you never experienced that? It's kinda like my company when people come back from disability or FMLA.
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: Does This Make Union Employees Happier? investors love contractors because they save money. listen to calls from customers wanting service in the cable industry and they will ask many times for an in house tech and not one of those contractors again.
says lots about contractor work.
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Valencia, CA | Re: Does This Make Union Employees Happier? said by Kearnstd:investors love contractors because they save money. It always comes down to the bottom line. Every industry would love to either contract out, or offshore the work for less, even if they know the quality is poor.
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| Re: Does This Make Union Employees Happier? Exactly.... and in an anti-competitive enviornment, they can get away with the lower cost/poorer service. When people have few or many no other options, well, they may not like being shafted, but they have to take it anyway.
However, if competition is widespread, they cannot afford poor quality service. They lose customers. When you see AT&T making moves like this they are basically saying "We don't care, we know it won't harm us."
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| Re: Does This Make Union Employees Happier? said by KrK:However, if competition is widespread, they cannot afford poor quality service. They lose customers. When you see AT&T making moves like this they are basically saying "We don't care, we know it won't harm us." Your analysis is outdated. Companies learned long ago that it isn't worth spending the money to keep all customers happy -- it's better to just let them leave. Because, the competition is doing exactly the same thing, so by default some of those unhappy customers will end up back at the first company. It's the natural evolution of the marketplace.
Mobile phone providers have been demonstrating this for years (most notably when Sprint fired their customers who were being a pain in the ass). Churn is fine as long as it's spread across the market; everyone loses some but gains some back from the competition too.
The customer is not always right.
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Does This Make Union Employees Happier? The problem is they don't have to try at all. Don't like Tech Support in India? Tough... | |
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kudos:2 | said by KrK:They are removing experience and long term job positions that are union That experience can always come back as one of those "independent contractors", probably making more in take home pay. | |
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Does This Make Union Employees Happier? Uh, no. The point of contractors is they are temporary, and cheaper. (Short term, anyway.) | |
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Amerika | Re: Does This Make Union Employees Happier? And likely more productive. | |
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Charlotte, NC | Re: Does This Make Union Employees Happier? I have seen the older worker retire and the company finds they have to hire 2 people to get the same work done. Many companies do not realize how much institutional knowledge walks out the door until they are gone. Sometimes that older employee makes it look easy because they are working smart not hard.
I have also seen younger workers act like teenagers at home Do I have too.
The problem in the US is we do not make anything so all we are really doing in a service economy is taking the money out of one pocket and moving it to many pockets.
The landline part of the business is between a rock and a hard place. The telco has to make the service available but every household has the option not to buy the service so the telco cost is fixed. The state regulates what can be charged each month that was set when almost every home used the service. Now the same homes have the choice of landline, wireless and cable voip. I bet the state taxes every wire in every cable every year even if a customer is not using it for service. | |
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| Everytime any issue comes over with the Word "Union" in it you always get this political backlash of people who repeat the same thing over and over. Union = bad, Union workers = lazy, overpaid, Union management = corrupt
etc etc yadda yadda yadda.
Different story, same response. That's because it's a false political ideology. I surely hope one day these people learn the sheer depth of their mistake.
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1 edit | Re: Does This Make Union Employees Happier? said by KrK:Everytime any issue comes over with the Word "Union" in it you always get this political backlash of people who repeat the same thing over and over. Union = bad, Union workers = lazy, overpaid, Union management = corrupt etc etc yadda yadda yadda. Different story, same response. That's because it's a false political ideology. I surely hope one day these people learn the sheer depth of their mistake. And every time something like this comes up we get this as well. Unions had their place 50-100yrs ago, when workers had no rights. That time is long gone. Unions are antiquated and need to go the way of the dodo.
And before you flap your gums, my wife's a federal employee. I could probably write a novella on how corrupt the unions are, especially in regards to some of the asinine, and completely inane, agreements they've made that really have no place in a union agreement. I will make 1 point, and is something even my wife thinks is a waste of taxpayers dollars. Federal employee that's stupid enough to get addicted to drugs or alcohol. The government has to keep their job open AND pay for their rehab. Nothing right about that regardless of what spin you put on it. | |
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Amerika | Re: Does This Make Union Employees Happier? Unions have their place now, but they must understand that labor is not a "my way or the highway" proposition. Globalization has forced the Unions as well as the employers to compete in the global marketplace. If the unions are not willing to compete, they will evaporate. | |
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Amerika | The unions don't exist to make workers poorer or motivate them to work harder. The whole point of the Union is to get workers more pay for less work.
On the other hand AT&T is free to "shop" elsewhere for labor like everyone else. | |
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| Re: Does This Make Union Employees Happier? No. The point of a Union was to Unite to stop the abuses of Companies. By Collective bargaining, they have a stronger position. If it wasn't for Unions, this country would still have slaves.
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Amerika | Re: Does This Make Union Employees Happier? Was, not is. | |
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kudos:2 | They're cheaper because the companies aren't on the hook to pay for benefits or pensions. | |
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| Re: Does This Make Union Employees Happier? said by openbox9:They're cheaper because the companies aren't on the hook to pay for benefits or pensions. And this is good because......?
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kudos:2 | Re: Does This Make Union Employees Happier? Because it saves money. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Does This Make Union Employees Happier? "Alexandria thinking"? Actually, that is how I've seen it work. Contract employees are cheaper for companies to hire precisely for the fact that the companies don't need to pay for benefits and retirement plans. Fairly straightforward concept. As for vacation time, health insurance, etc., that's why I wrote "take home pay". Besides, it depends on the contract negotiations as far as the benefits go. | |
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| said by KrK:Don't be naive. They are removing experience and long term job positions that are union and replacing them with lower paid temporary and "independent contractors." They also lower service and quality at the same time.... but save money. As for the guarantee of a job offer... have you never experienced that? It's kinda like my company when people come back from disability or FMLA. FMLA leave does not guarantee your job in the event of an economic downturn such as this, when business conditions warrant staff reductions, you can still be laid off like the rest of them.
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How could we have ever seen this coming. I mean, Verizon's going to do it too, why not at&t?
I don't know what the specifics are, so I won't rush to jeer. Besides, that would be more of the same...
Well, if they're moving them to the wireless division, that's at least a good thing. | |
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00000 | surplusing jobs? There are few things more disgusting that phrasing layoffs as "surplusing jobs". | |
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Delta, BC | Re: surplusing jobs? But when they say it like that it's a positive thing. The employees being surplussed should thank them for stopping all the wastage in the company! | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: surplusing jobs? its like Downsizing, they try and make the term "layoff" sound nicer.
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join:2002-03-05 | Blumenthal is overstepping his bounds a bit... Since when is it the state's business what privately employed executives of a privately owned corporation are paid, other than in income tax returns? Blumenthal seems to be on a public rampage for nought, considering that he could likely get this information in any number of other ways if he was actually legally entitled to it. If I were in AT&T's shoes, I'd tell him in no uncertain terms where could stick his salary reporting requirements.
Now, when it comes to fixing service problems I think that Blumenthal has the right idea. If customers are going without something as basic as telephone service for more than 24 hours, something should be done about it. If nothing else, this is a safety issue-- what happens if someone has to call 911 and there is no dialtone? Some utilities move slower than molasses in January when it comes to fixing customer service issues; there should be some requirements in place to force a change is this behavior if the utility cannot adequately police themselves and respond in a timely manner.
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: Blumenthal is overstepping his bounds a bit... at&t is a public traded corporation, honestly all compensation that comes from the company coffers should be fully available to current and potential stock holders.
exec compensation isnt exactly something that is important to keep secret it isnt R&D or anything highly important for the other guy not to know.
i can see intel reporting "R&D Budget" without itemizing because any project names could breach security.
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kudos:2 | Re: Blumenthal is overstepping his bounds a bit... I don't believe it's about determining exec compensation, after all that's easy information to gather, but it's more about how much some execs are actually paid. It's no different than what the Obama administration is attempting with their "pay czar". | |
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join:2002-03-05 | If I had thought for a few moments more, I would have realized that AT&T is traded on the stock exchange-- therefore compensation information for its executives should be available. You're right.
So all that really means is that Blumenthal's insistence upon getting this information amounts to nothing more than a moronic chest-thumping exercise. Let me amend my previous position then... If I were AT&T, I'd tell Blumenthal that if he wants the information it's available in public reports. I would also tell him that if he needed it provided specifically to his office, the information would be released but at a cost. The fee for compiling this into a report and delivering it to his office would be roughly $1,000,000. We'd see how badly he needed it then.
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kudos:70 | If they did what they have around here I have a lot more DSL techs (NCT's) around here now. So where they are cutting in one area, they are adding in others. Plus currently there is a lot of openings (internal) on the Uverse side of the house from what I hear, as well as wireless. | |
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| | | Re: If they did what they have around here David, ....... I KNOW you know the diference between a tech sal + benes in CORE wireline as opposed to UVERSE
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| | | | Re: If they did what they have around here Your absolutely right. These U-verse jobs are term positions. (temp work) The funny thing is U-verse is the future. They are hiring all these term employees to work on building the future network so where does that leave the future of the company? Most of the perm employees will still be doing the copper to the premise. How does that play out in AT&T's commitment to it's employees?
I had landline service with AT&T and its been here for 27years, gave them a chance to keep me as a customer because price was just too high and COX was offering specials with it phone. They declined to reduce the bill so I went with COX. Could always depend on that copper to provide a connection to the outside world during hurricanes but its just getting too expensive when every time you turn around your being nickeled and dimed on every bill every company sends to the house. | |
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Milwaukee, WI | said by David:I have a lot more DSL techs (NCT's) around here now. So where they are cutting in one area, they are adding in others. Plus currently there is a lot of openings (internal) on the Uverse side of the house from what I hear, as well as wireless. There maybe some hourly Uverse jobs available, but on the development side those Uverse jobs are being cut as well. I was "surplused" July 20th, the rest of my group was just given surplus letters in August (50+ people). Milwaukee, Hoffman, St. Louis, and San Ramon. They're moving everything over to Amdoc's. My group was monitoring Amdoc's to get their quality up and they are now going to have Amdoc's monitor themselves. Bunch of retards making these decisions.
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| Oh, say can you see.... They will lay off 2500 ATT permanent employees and hire another 3000 contract employees. Look for ATT jobs in your area. Chances are they are what they call "Term" or contract employees. They are hiring lots of techs for u-verse roll outs under the Term provision in the union contract. This means they can drop you at anytime.
It's being done all over here at all the industrial plants. Paper mills and chemical plants once the backbone of entire cities and small towns are now laying off most skilled labor and hiring them back as contract employees. One paper mill here shutdown down reopened and made a statement they will not hire but a small percentage of its original workforce but instead hire outside.
But this is America right? If you don't like it you can start your own telephone company. It's not like any of the American's tax dollars went into building the infrastructure of the telecoms. It's not like they are given huge tax credits or sweet heart deals. This is business, big dog eats little dog, just the way we like it.
Besides management has given up so many perks and endured so many salary cuts. | |
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join:2002-03-05 | Re: Oh, say can you see.... So is it your position that you (or these people) are somehow owed a job?
Businesses aren't in business just to employ people-- they're in business to make a profit. I'm sure you would see things differently if you looked at the situation from a business owner's or management's perspective.
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| Layoffs First of all, the 20 to 30 + year persons wil not be leaving, unless they want to. Layoffs are in inverse seniority, i.e. last hired, first fired. The only way someone with 30 years will go is if they want to.
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kudos:2 | Re: Layoffs said by jjeffeory:Right. Survival is the ultimate goal, but why is the average guy going to keep taking cuts when the big guys aren't? Nobody is forcing them to take a job...there is ~10% of our working population that is more than likely interested in the job if the resident employees aren't interested in working. | |
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join:2002-03-05 | said by jjeffeory:but why is the average guy going to keep taking cuts when the big guys aren't? Because the big guys make the decisions. It goes along with the golden rule-- he who has the gold, makes the rules.
said by jjeffeory:I mean, aren't we taught that there's more to life than a paycheck here in America? You know... You work hard and you will be rewarded? That's part of the problem these days-- younger generations aren't taught at an early age that life isn't necessarily going to be fair. Children are coddled and sheltered too much by parents who don't realize that they're doing their children more harm than good. Hence, we wind up with a society that focuses more on fairness than trying to get ahead, which ultimately winds up screwing those of us whose priorities are getting ahead. Hence, socialism in America is born.
People need to learn that life isn't fair, and fairness shouldn't be enforced at any cost. Many times it's more beneficial in the long run to just accept the bad stuff and learn from it, and just figure out how to make sure it doesn't happen to you the next time. It's called growing up and acting like a mature adult.
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Amerika | Maybe if the government would fire some people... ...CT wouldn't be facing an $8.5B+ deficit. AT&T has to operate in the real world where they can't print money or issue bonds on the credit of their subscribers.
AT&T is free to fire their entire workforce should they choose to. They are losing to extra wireline employees as that sector of their business shrinks a bit. And while they are laying off 75 in wireline, they are hiring 100 for wireless...in the middle of the worst economy in 80 years.
Meanwhile what does the state of CT get done in 24 hours for their residents other than throttle them like an ATM? | |
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| AT&T And its Lousy Service Our phone line went out earlier this year. We called AT&T to have them come out and fix it. We were old a two-day wait. No problem we have cell service. The day that they were suppose to show up, AT&T did not show up. We raised hell with them after repeated calls the day they did not show up. Finally the next afternoon, our line was repaired. When you have telephone, internet, cell service, and TV with any company, a repair person should be there within a day not days.
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kudos:2 | Re: AT&T And its Lousy Service Pfft! Count yourself lucky. Anymore it's 3-5 days with Verizon. In the future, a call to whatever state entity it is that regulates utilities will get their asses moving real fast. | |
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You see guys, it wouldn't be too bad bad being a temp or contract worker if one thing was made available so everyone has equal access to it.
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Da da dum......
Basic Affordable Public Healthcare!
Yup!
We're almost thhre , we already have teachers, govt workers, police, military, etc etc on it now. Or should every start their own healthcare company?
O and you guys that think "why should government look into how much a CEO makes"
a.) what's it matter to you? Unless YOU are a ceo
b.) because we all know unfettered, lackadasial govt oversight is better for us right? Like Enron and how it "cared" for its employees?
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join:2002-03-05 | Re: benefits Go back to the blue room. Anybody with an ounce of intelligence should realize that the government is about as inefficiently run as any organization could be.
The last thing we need is to have the fate of our health in the hands of some dumb-ass, unwitting bureaucrat. We've had that with the country for the last 8 years (and the past several months as well), and look what a fine mess that's gotten us into.
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It's simple: Obama is lying about health care. His plans require rationing, and openly fund abortions and euthanization. And his continued association with ACORN only shows that he supports its illegal and immoral activities. Remove Obama from office now. | |
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| | peterboroPremium
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Peterborough, ON | Re: benefits said by NOVA_Guy:The last thing we need is to have the fate of our health in the hands of some dumb-ass, unwitting bureaucrat. Works fine here as opposed to some greedy corporation down there.
I'll take a dumb-ass unwitting bureaucrat, who don't usually work in our health sector btw, to some heartless profit motivated weasel any day. | |
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| | All about profit AT&T cares only about the bottom line, which is profit.
They are perfectly happy if it takes 3 days to get your phone working again. After all, who has a land phone anymore? | |
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| | | Re: All about profit said by old_wiz_60:AT&T cares only about the bottom line, which is profit. You do realize that a lot of companies fall into this description, right? | |
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| Re: All about profit said by Unon :said by old_wiz_60:AT&T cares only about the bottom line, which is profit. You do realize that a lot of companies fall into this description, right? The problem is that the phone company is a utility, most other businesses aren't.
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Capitalism is competition, if you don't have competition then you don't have capitalism.
Rush Limbaugh is the cliff clavin of the republican party.
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| AT&T Sucks Big Time! I'm one of those customers who dropped AT&T because of extremely poor service. I waited three days to get a landline installed because they kept telling me they would show up, then blew me off without calling (on my cell) or letting us know in any way. Even when I called customer service they insisted someone was coming, and no one would show up. When I called after waiting another entire day, the rep told me that "they had more important customers to serve".  I had been a customer of theirs for almost 30 years! So I basically spent two complete days sitting in an empty house waiting for them to show up. No apologies, no attempt to placate me (they knew I was not happy) no nothing. So I dropped them for the Cox phone service and dumped my wireless account with them as well. They flat out suck. All the employees were pissed off due to the upcoming layoffs (one of them told me this) so I think that only made things worse. I will never, ever give them any of my business again. Cox, on the other hand was here early for both appointments, and the service has been trouble free.
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| | Stick a Fork in 'Em Unions are Done Maybe you don't know it yet, but all you Union folks are on borrowed time.
What you were able to extort contract wise in the 60's and 70's is flat-out no longer sustainable. Look at the UAW and AFSME. The Democrats (your big buddies) are looking to bust you as well.
Pensions? My rear end. Tell me something exceptional you do to deserve one.
Get ready to ride the give back or unemployment crazy train.
The party's over. About time.
Unions have driven out every good paying job that can be outsourced and companies are looking every day to eliminate every organized labor job they can.
As far as government look at where I work, Philly.
I can't even vote for these ass hats that suck on my paycheck to support their insane self-serving mess.
Needless to say my company will be relocating soon.
It's like getting a 5-6% raise given the city wage tax and the 2% disparity in sales tax. | |
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| | Who's got a landline anyway? More than you think.. Well more people than you think. Retention rates it the EAST are higher than most areas. Ever call a business? How's that DSL connected or T1's that feed offices, hospitals or that HDSL that has been running the CELL Tower's for years? This LEGACY technology isn't going fast or gone yet. But according to the BIG BRAINS in Texas.,the future is wait for it...wireless or the gross raping of the American IPHONE idiot. This is the only thing they want in the corporate world. Profits no people.
Boy those TEXAN'S, think I want to watch Football on my Iphone, or surf the net using that metered wireless plan. The same company that charged those exorbent fees for TEXTING, which cost nothing to send or receive.
Now their wireless net is different? Different than that other net, that everyone else is on? No SKYPE, no HULU, BIG BROTHER at$t has the new world order for you.
Watch what they use for excuses for the lousy service....in CT I believe they are/or were a PUBLIC UTILITY. First, not a wall st money bag. Folks don't let the corporate brainwash rename the same ol' PIG. You own the stock and all morality and community go right out the window.For what? for the bottom line and cost cutting if it means jobs so too bad, Save money hire out of state contractors. What about in state?
I dont want them on my lawn and certantly not in my house. And do you really want those people working on your lines or even Goverment lines? Who's corporate rules do they follow? Do they even have a Code of Conduct? Security is tossed aside when it comes to contractors and oversight is minimal to none, just let them do cheap and quick without OSHA or State LAWS.
You got it, the new at$t is no SNET. JD power awards for the best local company. YES, DPUC records show that Snet was better , more reliable and customer centric. Well since these people were our friend and neighbors. The dispatch was local, call repair was local, Help from INDIA? NOT! We had our own wireless LYNX and our own long distance. We had the First real competition to CABLE called AMERICAST. State of the art and It was 14 years ago... Well till the OVERPAID Shortsighted TEXAN'S rode in and said "WE AIN'T IN THE TV BUSINESS" In 1 year, they shut it down, and VOILA 10 YEARS later were in the TV business. WOW! You pay $160 million for that kind of stupid? I'd expect VISIONARY not SBC stupid know it all attitude.
So Union hater's go put your money in wireless...you dummies, and I'll hold out for fiber and an open network and unlimited bandwidth ah to dream...the impossible DREAM | |
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| | Economics101 Funny things that I read in all these post, the funniest is people regurgitating the same union bashing non-sense that is based on anti-democratic. First and foremost no where in the constitution does it say anything about corporation (it states WE the people)-"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility,....". Ok now that we got that part out of the way, I do believe in true capitalism by the great Adam Smith, he spoke of true FREE MARKET system (look it up). Now do I agree they need to lay people off...YES, its there right to do so, But if there service is not adequate and you are paying for a service than the duty of the Government is to protect our rights, YES we can choose a different service provider, but also we should expect a refund for our troubles. Another thing what we see today is not Capitalism, it is Socialism in a Capitalistic facade. Adam Smith spoke of that the "Wealth of a Nation" is not based on its Kings, or Monarchs, but from the production of it people. But what do we have today? We have CEO's getting paid even if a company FAILS or makes money. I don’t care if a CEO got paid BILLIONS for making a company crazy amounts of profit, But what I do see as anti American and against our Constitution, is when the only way for the company to make a profit is by cutting my pay (which in reality I consider that RE-Distribution of wealth, and also stealing which is punishable by law)....So before you come on here looking like an ass defending Publicly traded Corporations, and defending them as Privately held ones, and also defending that any of there actions are acceptable in Capitalism, well those people need to take a better look on what our system is based on. Not this IDEA of others of what is should be based on. I don’t believe in RE-distribution of wealth on any end.
And as for Unions, NO they aren’t so innocent, some of the pay is outrages for the type of work they do, and I don’t only mean the TELCO industry I mean any other industry that is unionized. There are employs that stay around that should have been fired many times over but the unions do protect them......But also lets not forget that there are companies that are not unionized that have lazy POS that are able to keep there job because they are sleeping with someone in management or is related to one. But one thing is true a Union is no different than what the unionized soldiers did when they fought for our independence, unions serve as a check and balance for big corporations. I see there place in society as a way to control some lower management employees of letting power go tot here heads, which leads to harassment and abuse.........THE END!!!!! | |
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| | | Re: Economics101 Nice post TruCAP,,,, the Corporations are seeking the same rights as We the people...They want the right to exist as any other citizen does, and in this right, comes speech(Sup. Court right now), ownership(think of Monsanto and the patenting of the genetic make up of seeds?), and the survival of the company at any cost. Re layoffs. At$t is a MONSTER eating up the smaller companies and becoming another GM..OH OH Eddy Whitless should fit that size 13 shoe real good. Capitalism sold out AMERICA | |
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