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Comments on news posted 2009-10-20 08:45:30: AT&T recently told us they unsurprisingly support the FCC's existing network neutrality principles, given they're fairly wimpy and are currently are being challenged by Comcast in court. ..


matrix3D

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Middletown, CT

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Typical Large US Corporation

I'd really like to hear some AT&T mouthpiece explain how these rules would "force" them to halt investment in their own network(s). It's more like them threatening that they will no longer invest in their own network if these rules are enacted -- which is fine by me because it means AT&T would tank and other ISPs (who actually invest in their networks) would pick up the pieces. I don't think they're that stupid... or are they?


Killa200
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Maybe they meant to say something along the lines of "That goal can't be met with rules that stimulate competition forcing us actually upgrade our broadband infrastructure. And the jobs associated with that investment will be lost, because there is no way we plan to pull the money from our pockets."


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The comments to the leaked memo are excellent...

The leaked memo, as Karl indicated, is here: »www.actuarialoutpost.com/actuari ··· =3973825

Be sure to read the comments! Suck on that, AT&T!
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Z80
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So AT&T is resorting to Insectillians from the Mother Ship

We would have to ask Riley Martin but I don't even think The Skreed can get this horsecrap passed. O-Qua Tangin Wann.


I Use Dial

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Morgan Hill, CA

This site cracks me up

One post complains about how Government intrusion into the market gives unfair advantage to special interests while the very next demands yet more Government intrusion. You can't see the forest for the trees.
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Rob
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said by I Use Dial:

One post complains about how Government intrusion into the market gives unfair advantage to special interests while the very next demands yet more Government intrusion. You can't see the forest for the trees.
Many of us are looking for a balance between government regulation and free market. It seems that every so often the balance shifts from one end to the other, but never stops in the middle.
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amungus
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ok...

I don't get it...

Point 5 - "The goal of the FCC should be to maintain a level playing field by treating all competitors the same. Any new rules should apply equally to network providers, search engines and other information services providers."

Wait a sec. Do "search engines" sell me access to the internet? No. What on earth is that sentence supposed to mean? Who the frak are "information services providers" while we're at it?


geese

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ATT doesn't like Google.


Rob
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said by amungus:

I don't get it...

Point 5 - "The goal of the FCC should be to maintain a level playing field by treating all competitors the same. Any new rules should apply equally to network providers, search engines and other information services providers."

Wait a sec. Do "search engines" sell me access to the internet? No. What on earth is that sentence supposed to mean? Who the frak are "information services providers" while we're at it?
Like geese said, AT&T doesn't like Google.

The "search engine" part was a stab at Google's Voice service.
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billywiggins

join:2003-12-04
Trussville, AL
"The FCC shouldn't burden an industry that is bringing jobs and investment to the country"

Whose country? India? Ironically, I got my surplus notice yesterday about an hour after that email went out. Our entire work group was outsourced to India. Our 60 day notice expires Dec 18, one week before Christmas...way to stay classy AT&T.

Anybody within the company knows that bullet point is total BS, and its a slap in the face for them to send it out in an email knowing they are outsourcing people across the board.


faster5

@sbcglobal.net

can we use net neutrality rules to get usnet back?

can we use net neutrality rules to get usnet back? on att?


I Use Dial

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reply to Rob

Re: This site cracks me up

said by Rob See Profile...the balance shifts from one end to the other, but never stops in the middle.
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That is completely correct; we get one or the other.

Those of us who argue in favor of the free market do not argue that it will create perfection, but rather that it is the lesser of two evils.
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Rob
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I think that's a terrible way to look at it. Why must we always accept the lesser of two evils? We should be able to find common ground.


I Use Dial

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said by Rob:

Why must we always accept the lesser of two evils? We should be able to find common ground.
Because power cannot be granted to the two parties simultaneously. You either give up control to the Government or you allow the free market to determine its own way. Once the Government has control then the special interests will take over.

The theory of common ground is a nice one, but over 100 years of regulating various industries has demonstrated that once the Government is in control it usurps all power because it has the authority to pass laws, which the market does not have.

The constitution was written to allow the nearest thing to 'common ground' through states' rights. In a true republic the states would be free to regulate these things as they see fit, but the Federal Government has taken those powers away.
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ArrayList
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make it illegal for corporations like AT&T to lobby and participate in election contributions then it will be a hell of a lot better.


ArrayList
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Re: ok...

billywiggins, sorry to hear that. real bummer there.


Reck Havoc
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reply to billywiggins
Sorry to hear that man. It is a bit ironic to use that as a bullet point, when its widely known they have and are in the process of outsourcing more jobs.

Way to bring jobs and investment to India.


Alan1973

@sbcglobal.net

I just posted this public comment on openinternet.gov

We'll see if it gets moderated out...

Hope the FCC is aware of these type of ISP shenanigans.... says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
October 20, 2009 at 2:14 pm

As reported by a REAL, RESPECTED CONSUMER ADVOCATE, broadbandreports.com:


AT&T Sends Anti-Neutrality Screed To Employees – Chock full o’ talking points…
from DSLreports – front page
2 people liked this

[then the text of this posting]


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reply to faster5

Re: can we use net neutrality rules to get usnet back?

said by faster5 :

can we use net neutrality rules to get usnet back? on att?
No it can't be used to force AT+T to host Usenet, it could only be used if AT+T are throttling or blocking 3rd party Usenet services.


I Use Dial

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reply to ArrayList

Re: This site cracks me up

said by ArrayList:

make it illegal for corporations like AT&T to lobby and participate in election contributions then it will be a hell of a lot better.
There are at least two problems with this. There are already very strict laws on how much money a PAC can contribute, and corporations cannot contribute directly at all. Employees are free donate up to the max of $2400 per election, and people have the freedom of association. The elected officials are already paid off through the employees, so they are only going to create laws that make their positions stronger, like the McCain-Feingold bill, which gives substantial power to encumbents.
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Harddrive
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Re: ok...

billywiggins, i want to be clear on this. you actually work for AT&T and got your notice of 'surplus' an hour after this company propaganda went out?
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ArrayList
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reply to I Use Dial

Re: This site cracks me up

so are you saying that corporations pay their employees to contribute to campaigns? ok that should be illegal. corporations have no business in deciding how the government is run.

the government, however has a say in how large corporations are run. if not, then who does.


Harddrive
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Did I read this right?

"In addition, letters expressing serious concerns were sent by many state legislators and minority groups, and our union partners, CWA and the IBEW."

when the hell has the CWA and the IBEW been partners with corporate AT&T? oh, its a 'money' thing. if mama Bell ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. well hell, if the Unions are your partners, why doesn't AT&T give better benefits and pay to the Union represented workers at the next contract negotiations? hey Jim Cicconi, next time you think about contract negotiations with the Unions, remember.. they are your partners in crime when it comes to network neutrality.
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El Gaupo
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reply to Z80

Re: So AT&T is resorting to Insectillians from the Mother Ship

Have you bought your symbol yet ?


Uncle Paul

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Re: This site cracks me up

said by I Use Dial:

said by Rob:

Why must we always accept the lesser of two evils? We should be able to find common ground.
Because power cannot be granted to the two parties simultaneously. You either give up control to the Government or you allow the free market to determine its own way. Once the Government has control then the special interests will take over.
Hmmm seems to me the special interests are already in control now....

How about we make it so a candidate can only accept donations from individuals (no PACs) and only from those in the district or state they seek to represent.


FastiBook

join:2003-01-08
Newtown, PA

No one..

No one i talk to att is anti-net neutrality, and i talk to people conversationally while they wait for data to come up on their screens etc. I think this needs to be investigated by whomever as it is clearly unethical.

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Uncle Bell

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typical at&t

This is typical at&t. They think they're gonna loose, so they plead with employees to send a letter to congress (and even provide a boilerplate & wizard).

Managers pressure subordinates to send it, and even poll direct reports, on who has completed it or not. at&t is full of some serious horse hockey.

if this is how the 'new at&t' is gonna be, we should be very concerned!