ke4pym Premium Member join:2004-07-24 Charlotte, NC |
ke4pym
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2009-Nov-2 5:42 pm
Wrong CarolinaIn the headline. |
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FFH5 Premium Member join:2002-03-03 Tavistock NJ |
FFH5
Premium Member
2009-Nov-2 5:44 pm
Deal still needs more approvals before it is a goThe Federal Communications Commission and state regulators in Arizona, Illinois, Ohio, Oregon, Washington state and West Virginia also must approve the transaction. Still a long way from all needed approvals. Will Frontier still go forward if 1 or more states doesn't agree? |
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When is the last time any big deal in this country was stopped or even seriously hampered by regulators? |
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vzdollars
Anon
2009-Nov-2 6:05 pm
Verizon's not just selling, they're buying too...After all, we have the best regulators money can buy! |
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FFH5 Premium Member join:2002-03-03 Tavistock NJ |
to Karl Bode
Re: Deal still needs more approvals before it is a gosaid by Karl Bode:When is the last time any big deal in this country was stopped or even seriously hampered by regulators? I can think of a couple railroad mergers(CSX/Conrail was one) stopped by regulators. And Worldcom/Sprint merger was denied by DOJ in 2000 and the parties gave up rather fight DOJ in court. |
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Of COURSE it's going to end up in bankruptcyVerizon, of course, has PAID OFF THE REGULATORS. PERIOD. There is NO WAY in hell frontier can survive with $5 BILLION of new debt. I however, have a MUCH better idea.
Carolina, California, and Nevada should change the 'pole tax' that verizon pays to $1000.00 per pole per year. That would make the value of verizon's investment in these states, umm, let's see. LESS THAN $0.00 Guess what, Verizon won't pay it. And guess what, the states can then SEIZE the assets to pay the back tax liabilityr. THEN the state government can start up their own MUNI networks, with ALL the assets for FREE. I guarantee you, even with the inefficiencies of a muni, they would provide MUCH better services at MUCH lower prices if they could start off with a FREE infrastructure. If that happens, then EVERYONE WINS (except the fat cats at verizon and the shareholders. Oh, noo... boo hoos for them) |
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FFH5 Premium Member join:2002-03-03 Tavistock NJ |
to karlmarx
Re: Of COURSE it's going to end up in bankruptcysaid by karlmarx:Verizon, of course, has PAID OFF THE REGULATORS. PERIOD. There is NO WAY in hell frontier can survive with $5 BILLION of new debt. I however, have a MUCH better idea. Carolina, California, and Nevada should change the 'pole tax' that verizon pays to $1000.00 per pole per year. That would make the value of verizon's investment in these states, umm, let's see. LESS THAN $0.00 Guess what, Verizon won't pay it. And guess what, the states can then SEIZE the assets to pay the back tax liabilityr. T You already proposed that ridiculous idea once today. Maybe CUBA or Venezuela would do it, but not any rational gov't not ruled by a dictator. |
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to FFH5
Re: Deal still needs more approvals before it is a goOhio will be next. There has never been a deal Ohio hasn't liked before. This won't be the first. |
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AbBaZaBbA Premium Member join:2002-07-10 Wildomar, CA
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to karlmarx
Re: Of COURSE it's going to end up in bankruptcysaid by karlmarx:Verizon, of course, has PAID OFF THE REGULATORS. PERIOD. There is NO WAY in hell frontier can survive with $5 BILLION of new debt. I however, have a MUCH better idea. Carolina, California, and Nevada should change the 'pole tax' that verizon pays to $1000.00 per pole per year. That would make the value of verizon's investment in these states, umm, let's see. LESS THAN $0.00 Guess what, Verizon won't pay it. And guess what, the states can then SEIZE the assets to pay the back tax liabilityr. THEN the state government can start up their own MUNI networks, with ALL the assets for FREE. I guarantee you, even with the inefficiencies of a muni, they would provide MUCH better services at MUCH lower prices if they could start off with a FREE infrastructure. If that happens, then EVERYONE WINS (except the fat cats at verizon and the shareholders. Oh, noo... boo hoos for them) we should also charge a 100% tax on all profits from fast food companies. Soon they will all be bankrupt and the government can get them for FREE and give us all cheap food. EVERYONE would win (except those that don't) |
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to FFH5
Re: Deal still needs more approvals before it is a gowhich with MCI/WorldCom came their fall. |
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to karlmarx
Re: Of COURSE it's going to end up in bankruptcyYou want the people who bring us deficits and big government to seize assets and provide service. Please tell me you are joking. If not, show me one government program that is successful and within its original budget. |
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EPS4 join:2008-02-13 Hingham, MA
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to karlmarx
I think we should steal all of YOUR property. Surely there's some ridiculous way we can try to justify it. And then EVERYONE WINS. (Except for you, I guess, but I'll just cast you off as a "fat cat" or something so we can ignore any of your complaints) |
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morboComplete Your Transaction join:2002-01-22 00000 |
morbo
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2009-Nov-2 7:51 pm
oh god no...California, Nevada and South Carolina ok huge sale.
HEAD ASPLODE |
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CaptainRR Premium Member join:2006-04-21 Blue Rock, OH ·AT&T Wireless Br..
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to hottboiinnc4
Re: Deal still needs more approvals before it is a goLook who owns MCI/Worldcom now: Verizon. The reason why I am commenting on the CSX/Conrail merger was it was way more complicated than most think it was. I wont go into much detail on it here this is not the place for it but it amost bankrupted CSX and NS. I work for CSX and we went through some rocky times for a couple of years after it. |
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Re: Of COURSE it's going to end up in bankruptcyI have a better idea. Let the Frontier deal go through, with the stipulation that the network reverts to municipalities if Frontier declares bankruptcy. Number one, it gives Frontier a BIG incentive to keep above water. Number two, if Frontier keels over we suddenly have city-run networks. That's what everyone wants, right? |
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Bonded ADSL2+ Annex M with AdrenaLineDue to landline defections, Frontier should have plenty of copper pairs in any given area. So pair-bonded DSL from that perspective will be no problem. Swap out equipment at the headend, put some AdrenaLine boosters mid-line and you've got a system that will pump out 20/5 DSL at 15,000 feet from the CO. 10/5 is doable at 19,000 feet, and a basic 1.5/512 tier (better than mobile broadband) would be doable at over 24,000 feet. Sell 1.5/512 for $25 per month, 20/5 for $70 and another tier or two in between and you've got a decent business model. |
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NOCManMadMacHatter Premium Member join:2004-09-30 Colorado Springs, CO
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NOCMan
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2009-Nov-2 8:31 pm
PatheticAll the outrage about government bailouts for companies, but wheres the rage about tax evasion |
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RARPSL join:1999-12-08 Suffern, NY |
to karlmarx
Re: Of COURSE it's going to end up in bankruptcyI have a better idea. Require that the money paid to Verizon go into an escrow account for one year. If by the end of that year Frontier has not declared Bankruptcy, the money gets released to Verizon. Otherwise it gets paid to Frontier [with the debt being handed back to Verizon] or goes into the Bankruptcy Assets Account. Verizon wants to play accounting games to offload the debt, they should be at risk if the offloading fails. |
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jimmay76 Premium Member join:2003-02-11 East Providence, RI |
to iansltx
Re: Bonded ADSL2+ Annex M with AdrenaLineIan that is a very real solution, there is alot of empty copper out there |
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HarddriveProud American and Infidel since 1968. Premium Member join:2000-09-20 Fort Worth, TX |
to NOCMan
Re: Patheticits not tax evasion if Verizon gets the buying company to pay it for them. |
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to iansltx
Re: Bonded ADSL2+ Annex M with AdrenaLineYou think they will pay for the DSLAM firmware to do that? lol |
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to jimmay76
Andthus will never happen, as it makes sence, and commone sence a telcos dont mix RE:AT&T u-Verse |
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to Harddrive
Re: PatheticHow about the tax burden on:
-Reverse Morris tax penalties forgiven (lost revenue as Verizon bails out) -Lost revenues to layoffs (NE market lost ALOT of Verizon folks long after states were promised "new jobs", ratables and other expectations -unemployment burden to local government tax base -Bankruptcy claims that ultimately hit the taxpayer (using up federal and judicial resources to benefit not you or I) ... Does Fairpoint have to pay taxes if its Chapter 11?
I smell something bigger here... |
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openbox9 Premium Member join:2004-01-26 71144
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to NOCMan
It's not tax evasion if the tax laws legally allow the transfer debt/assets during the sale |
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to RARPSL
Re: Of COURSE it's going to end up in bankruptcyA couple of even better ideas. Regulators stand up and disapprove mergers if the deal(s) really are destined to fail. Change the tax laws that allow tax efficient transfers of assets if they actually are bad for business.
Don't blame VZ for effectively conducting business. |
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RR ConductorRidin' the rails Premium Member join:2002-04-02 Redwood Valley, CA |
CaliforniaWhat areas in CA? The northern half of our rural county of Mendocino is served by Verizon (formerly GTE, formerly Contel of CA). |
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to OSUGoose
Re: Bonded ADSL2+ Annex M with AdrenaLineBut they sometimes do mix RE:VZ FiOS. |
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to patcat88
One can only hope... |
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rawgerzThe hell was that? Premium Member join:2004-10-03 Grove City, PA |
to iansltx
But Ann M only goes up to 3Mb up? |
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