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kudos:2 | Re: i suppose Doubt it. Comcast's internet division is trying to be the good guy these days. This also works in Comcast's favor because it's a lot easier to do something close to hard-capping when you have an on-site meter. | |
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At the same time, website owners and content distributers are at the mercy of companies that cap because they now have to worry about their users going over their caps. Limited bandwidth, restricted limited competition, destroyed innovation.
In the end this is too jerk more cash out of customers and prevent competition from online video sources.
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It's the shift to low caps and high overages on top of a fixed monthly cost model I don't like -- for reasons I think I've blabbered about extensively. Should Comcast move to that model I think it's fair to give them a kick -- especially when they begin the expected tirade about how it's necessary because they're just so financially pinched... | |
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I think in the end variable-rate billing based on how much you use (no overage caps) would be best, but with limited competition in many places they would be free to charge people a lot more per-byte than they even do now...
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Perhaps it's time to start talking to my town again about rolling out their own high speed internet too. I wonder how long it will take Comcast to swoop in with their legal department and try to shut that discussion down, so they can ensure that they continue to have the monopoly and thus the ability to raise prices at whim without the slightest bit of increased value to consumers and eternally poor customer service.
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This doesn`t even take into account that bandwidth does not cost the ISP anything in aggregate. They purchase it based on peak usage. The granny watching youtube at 8 pm is just as much as a congestion issue as the torrent user at the same time. Caps don`t actually do anything but prevent people from actually using their connection. | |
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| The caps ARE to push them to a more expensive tier: business class. Which has no caps and costs a reasonable amount as business cable connections go. On 22/5 residential and going over your 250GB cap? Spend $25 more and you're good to go.
If we were talking about a 50GB cap on a $50 tier I'd be with you, but I'm on the heavier side of the spectrum and use between 120 and 200 GB on an average month. I have no problem telling folks who run heavy-duty servers and/or torrents out of their home to pony up the additional few bucks for a biz class connection. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: i suppose sorry but 50 for 50 is crazy
if your using 120-200gb a month comcast's soft cap doesn't effect you
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| Re: i suppose Correct on all counts; the likelihood of a Comcast call is inversel proportional to the congestion of your node. I'm on a D3 system with four channels bonded so I'll bet I could hit 300-400GB and not hear a peep from Comcast. It all has to do with capacity; 38 Mbps of capacity doesn't go very far, but 152 Mbps (or 190 Mbps if you have five channels available, which I think is the case here) goes a decent ways even with heavy users on the network. | |
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| Re: i suppose No it's not. Their obligation is to shareholders to make money. They're a publicly held company and anyone can come in and compete against them. It's just expensive.
That said, they *area* doing node splits, but that takes time. In the meanwhile people who would use their connection like a dedicated line need to be kept in check. No matter what you want to think, dedicated circuits are expensive. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: i suppose *sigh* Heard of business class?
I'm not saying Comcast's prices are the best in the world but they do offer an uncapped option. | |
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Katy, TX | Re: i suppose Business is for businesses.
This is simply comcasts attempt to prevent people from getting online TV services from competitors to their cable tv.
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kudos:2 | Re: i suppose *rolls eyes*
I'd agree with you if residential addresses couldn't get business clas service. However they can, so your logic falls apart. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: i suppose Ya as soon as I heard about the caps I looked in to Biz class and then switched
and its pretty much all around better than resi
the cap is more of your shield against getting kicked
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kudos:2 | Re: i suppose There you have it. That's why I don't have 50/10; it costs too much... | |
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join:2007-02-19
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| Re: i suppose They discourage usage overall, and thus by proxy discourage it at eak times. They're a whole lot easier to understand than 95th percentile billing, which *would* be a better way of managing congestion but most people can't get their minds around that method. | |
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join:2002-11-08
Beaverton, OR | For less than the cost of Comcast's business class, I could switch to FIOS.
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kudos:2 | Re: i suppose Yay for competitive markets; for less than Comcast's residential prices I could switch to Qwest, sacrificing lots of speed in the process :/ No caps though. | |
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|  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
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kudos:4 | said by i1me2ao:now i will have monthly 1.99 meter usage maintenance policy.. Don't give em ideas. GEEZ!
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Whittier, AK | Conclusion from NetForecast Page 11
"In areas served by the Cisco CMTS model 10000, the Comcast usage meter is highly
accurate to within plus-or-minus 0.5% over the month. Based on our test results,
subscribers should be able to rely on the meter’s accuracy to better understand how
much Internet traffic they are consuming, and how to manage that traffic if they wish.
The meter will shine a new light on a previously unknown and misunderstood aspect of
the digital age. NetForecast believes that this information will allow consumers to
become better informed, and better informed consumers will help positively shape the
Internet’s future."
Looks like the most it might be off is 1.25 GB up or down in a calender month.
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| Re: Conclusion from NetForecast said by caco:"The meter will shine a new light on a previously unknown and misunderstood aspect of the digital age. NetForecast believes that this information will allow consumers tob ecome better informed, and better informed consumers will help positively shape the Internet’s future." That is so pathetic. Comcast sucks. All they are doing is limiting the internet.
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Well lets see what if you watch movies from Netflix and upload pics like I do from my home pc to my work pc honestly I reach 250 gigs easy. Now they would like me to go and pay the extra premium price to get the business pipe, so there isnt any meter?
No thank you
I can bet everything I own that this meter will disappear faster then it appeared when the DSL company's use this in their commercials like Verizon is doing so atm against ATT.
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| 250 Gb is good. 250 GB is good, especially with a "soft cap" that will just bring speeds down to a crawl but won't get you a big bill at the end of the month or loss of internet.
If TWC would implement such a cap, I don't think you would hear me complain.
The caps that Rogers just posted, with the $5 per Gb overages..... is just ridiculous.
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kudos:3 | Re: 250 Gb is good. the Cap won't slow you down that their bandwidth managment
the cap is more of your sheild from being kicked
you go over is like you looking over the sheild you look over you might get lanced or might not | |
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the capacity you require to satisify everyone at 250GB Limit is then with the 1% think 2% and wella
20000 X 250GB + 980000 X 5
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West Chester, PA | Re: what?? 2 to 4 GB????? huh? said by Sympathy:The median customer consumes approximately 2 to 4 GB of data in a month," what?? 2 to 4 GB????? huh? Yeah......
That's not even 1 DVD's worth of data. | |
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join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | ya wasn't it worked out that theres 2-4gb of arp traffic in docsis
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join:2001-04-21
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kudos:2 Reviews:
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| said by Sympathy:The median customer consumes approximately 2 to 4 GB of data in a month," what?? 2 to 4 GB????? huh? Yep. There's data from several countries that show similar median usage rates. Check out the various reports available at »www.dtc.umn.edu/mints/home.php
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join:2001-04-21
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| Re: what?? 2 to 4 GB????? huh? said by sonicmerlin:Um...considering your link states 7 GB, and cable users are much more often paying higher prices for higher speeds and the ability to download more, I doubt that 7 is an accurate estimate for Comcast`s userbase. 7GB average is where some of the reports pegged it; median is a completely different number. Cisco's numbers are a little higher for the average »Cisco: Average Connection Consumes 11.4 GB Per Month
Or the numbers from Japan where 100mbps FTTH is common:
Median usage is 94.1MB/day (2.823GB/mo)
Average usage is 862.6MB/day (25.878GB/mo)
Source: »www.caida.org/workshops/wide/080···ffic.pdf
Plus there are more reports on the MINTS site that are in line with these numbers.
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join:2001-11-19
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kudos:4 | Re: I've had a usage meter for a long time now said by cybrsk8r6:I downloaded a small free-ware utility called "Netmeter" which keeps track of both uploads and downloads. You can set a monthly bandwidth limit and the pgm will alert you if you exceed the limit, or if the pgm thinks you're on pace to exceed the limit. It keeps monthly bandwidth statistics you can recall anytime. I have 9 computers in the house. How does putting Netmeter on one help? I use netmeter on all of them. But, until netmeter comes out with a utility than can collect all the data and spit out a single value, it's not useful as a Tomato based router or Comcast's meter. | |
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join:2007-05-01
Warminster, PA | Comcast contradiction Comcast claims to have a super-fast fiber network. Comcast claims to have a more robust network than other cable companies and telcos but complains that the usage of less than 1% of the customers is impacting the network. Come on.
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join:2001-12-06
Lake City, FL | Re: Comcast contradiction This is for residential only, correct? | |
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join:2008-08-07
Philadelphia, PA | Re: Comcast contradiction said by tekmunki:This is for residential only, correct? That is correct. This is only for residential customers. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Comcast contradiction said by ctg1701a:That is correct. This is only for residential customers. Why is that? | |
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Philadelphia, PA | Re: Meter not showing up said by PDX :
I'm in Portland and should have access to the usage meter.. yet it's not showing up on my comcast.net page after following the instructions. Has anyone been able to access it?
Did you receive the email notification that you were part of the pilot? If so please PM me with your information and I will take a look. | |
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To be honest I think this is just another way for Comcast to get money. Cause when you get over that limit there should be a choice to have your service cut or to be asked to continue and get charged I guess.
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