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Hudson, WI | Re: whoopie said by sonicmerlin:said by Karl Bode:Well, it's kind of the nice thing about actually investing in your network architecture: you don't need "BS caps." You might still need some kind of cap/wall/system that isolates 99.4% of your customers from the kind of gluttons who should be on business tiers, but you shouldn't need "BS caps." There are no such thing as internet gluttons. There are only people who ride the wave of future applications and those who don`t. Until a company demonstrates a negative profit for a single quarter, there is no excuse to call their heaviest users `gluttons`. negative profit= oxymoron
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kudos:2 | Correction The 10 Gbps is shared among everyone on the node. So realistically Verizon will be able to push gigabit down, 250 Mbit up service over the upcoming network. just clarifying  | |
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| Re: Correction RFoG.
Seriously, 8x4 channel bonded DOCSIS 3.0 will be out soonish, but that's at most 304/120...with one person spread across all eight channels.
So all Verizon has to do is push out a 350 Mbps down, 150 Mbps up tier and cable has to bring fiber all the way to the home to compete.
Heck, if Verizon came out with 150/30 right now cable couldn't compete, since even the highest-end deployments in teh US are one channel up, four channels down DOCSIS 3. | |
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200+ per node??
I'll take sharing the fiber bandwidth with 30 people please... 
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kudos:2 | Re: Correction Yep, at most 64 people on a node so PLENTY of bandwidth to go around. | |
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Grove City, PA | Can RFOG later be used as GPON?
I keep trying to imagine what the limits are of a local MSO that uses RFOG with fiber drops. But when I see their aerials I think of everyone connected to a single fiber strand and something like fios, where everyone has their own individual piece of fiber back to those cabinets where they all connect to must have more future capacity? Then again I have no idea if those fiber aerials have a strand for each home, or just one large one for all?
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2 edits | said by JRW2:BTW, at this point it is only a marketing ploy, but if it is rolled out, and I don't see why something like it won't, I wonder what cable's response will be?? I heard from a local cable installer that BHN is planning its own FTTP. Whether that's 1, 5, or 10 years away, he didn't know.
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I'd love for Verizon to release 10Gbps now just for the heck of it and put that company out of business once for all. Instead of engaging in this tedious game of one-up-manship.
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| Re: Correction said by UncleDirtNap:I'd love for Verizon to release now just for the heck of it and put that company out of business once for all instead of engaging in this tedious game of one-up-manship. Just go nuclear on them man and finish the cable turds off already! While I'm no big fan of "Big Business", the cable companies have been running roughshod over their respective customers for far too long now, and need a quick dose of reality.
Whomever at Verizon that decided to run fiber to our houses, has done what I have said needed to be done ten years ago.
With that fiber at our homes, they have the potential to run an unlimited amount of "product" to our homes for little or no additional cost, a genius move if you ask me. Cable companies on the other-hand, pulled up short by not doing the same when they were running fiber, and they WILL pay for it if they continue to refuse to complete the job, so to speak...
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kudos:2 | Re: Correction said by Radio Active:said by iansltx:The 10 Gbps is shared among everyone on the node. So realistically Verizon will be able to push gigabit down, 250 Mbit up service over the upcoming network. just clarifying It's all fluff, smoke and mirrors. How many consumers' computers can actually utilize/process that kind of bandwidth? Not bagging on iansltx  . How many people, who would want that type of speed, only have 1 computer at home?
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Mullica Hill, NJ | said by Radio Active:said by iansltx:The 10 Gbps is shared among everyone on the node. So realistically Verizon will be able to push gigabit down, 250 Mbit up service over the upcoming network. just clarifying It's all fluff, smoke and mirrors. How many consumers' computers can actually utilize/process that kind of bandwidth? Not bagging on iansltx . No one computer can yet in the home, however since more and more crap is becoming a connected device. i can see how the demand for bandwidth will grow sharply. more importantly the demand for sustained bandwidth vs bursting.
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Saint Louis, MO | Well 100Mbit is only about 9.5MB/s(reality) and GigE is about 95MB/s. There are a lot of (non raid) hard drives out there that are at 100MB/s of throughput. So if one splits 10Gb/s 64 times, I would suspect that there are a lot of computers out there that can handle this speed. | |
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| said by Radio Active: It's all fluff, smoke and mirrors. How many consumers' computers can actually utilize/process that kind of bandwidth? NONE...yet! But imagine a sigle fiber able to handle a medium business location, or a apt. complex/hotel or a personal server farm (don't forget the cost of the service, plus the power requirements/bill)
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Fullerton, CA | Re: Correction said by tshirt:said by Radio Active: It's all fluff, smoke and mirrors. How many consumers' computers can actually utilize/process that kind of bandwidth? NONE...yet! But imagine a sigle fiber able to handle a medium business location, or a apt. complex/hotel or a personal server farm (don't forget the cost of the service, plus the power requirements/bill) By the time this reaches end user deployment, there will be demand (one drives the other) Good point. I just wasn't looking at the "bigger" picture, that one connection could actually be used for more than a couple or few devices.
"D'OH!" on me. With many devices and adequate routing and switching, I imagine this is not unattainable or unusable. Thanks, all, for the clue.
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Because I recently replaced the G router serving the house with an N router, once I can get an N PC card for the legacy laptop in the netbook role, the slowest link in the LAN will be a *wired desktop* (remember, 2.4 GHz N is 145 mbps, which is faster than Fast Ethernet); in short, I can replace the wired connection to that desktop with wireless and see bandwidth go up (not to mention banishing wire clutter). And I'm at the LOW end of typical for BBR/DSLR. | |
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Saint Louis, MO | Re: Correction You could also just put a GigE card (wired) and move the desktop to 1000Mbps(GigE or gigabit ethernet), assuming router has GigE ports. I switched to a GigE network(in house) several years ago. In house transfers are now typically at 75MB/s, limiting factor being the hard drive speeds. This will jump to 95MB/s as I replace the older drives with the newer 100MB/s drives. | |
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The point I am makling is that bandwidth within home LANs is not the issue it used to be. | |
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| lowest link in the LAN will be a *wired desktop* (remember, 2.4 GHz N is 145 mbps, which is faster than Fast Ethernet); in short, I can replace the wired connection to that desktop with wireless and see bandwidth go up (not to mention banishing wire clutter). And I'm at the LOW end of typical for BBR/DSLR.
Thats 145 half duplex though. And that is also split with more wifi nodes. 100Mbit FDX to a switch beats N based wifi - at least from what i've seen in my office. | |
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kudos:4 | said by iansltx:The 10 Gbps is shared among everyone on the node. So realistically Verizon will be able to push gigabit down, 250 Mbit up service over the upcoming network. just clarifying I think i could handle 10gbps shared among 32 other people!
the bottleneck would be the users equipment anyway.
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kudos:2 | Re: Correction Same here.
Heck, BPON would be an upgrade from DOCSIS 3... | |
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kudos:2 | Gimmie! Yes, we all knew, I'd find this news story, and say, I want it..
I WANT IT
quoted from the story
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" it's an exciting announcement to bandwidth nerds, for whom even 100 Gbps of bandwidth jacked directly into their cerebral cortex might not be enough."
I don't know about right into my cerebral cortex, but you have my attention...
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kudos:2 | Re: Gimmie! Reading the full story over here : »newscenter.verizon.com/press-rel···lds.html
makes me wanna know how I could be the guy whos house they are testing this in... 
Oh yeah, darn, I only have SuddenLink here..
If anyone from SuddenLink is reading this post, I do have a new docsis 3.0 modem we could juice up...
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kudos:3 | well you'd need a firewall or your cerebral cortex might get pwned
imagine the doctors
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quick call symantec we need a human antivirus
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kudos:2 | Re: Great news but.... Wish I could get that here. Too far out (back in TX now). That said, I've heard that the new VZ DSL system around here is problematic overall. | |
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San Diego, CA | 40/100 Gb/s switches It has been a few years since I heard 10Gb line cards were as good as it gets, but are 40 or 100 ones at all common by now?
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Santa Clara, CA | Self-confessed bandwidth nerd Kudos to FIOS! As a self-confessed bandwidth nerd, I can tell you that 100M/100M service is wonderful to behold. I find new uses for it every day.
But if you think it's easy to push more than 100M thru a typical router/firewall, think again! I had to build a special router from a single-board computer to even get to this speed:
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kudos:6 | Re: Too bad Fios is not even available here in my neck of the woods, best we can get is 12mbits from grande communications and even then that company isnt very consistant with their speeds and latency. | |
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I still think the forces of greed defeat the forces of logic and we're facing low caps and high overages among most ISPs by 2014. | |
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Washington, DC | Those be backbone speeds 10 Gbps, them be backbone speeds. To be honest I didn't even think you could push 10Gbps over a single fiber beyond a few miles and even that is using ethernet. I'm really curious about what the range is on this and if they could actually start playing with this to connect backbone locations assuming it has any real range and can compete against OC-X connections in terms of reliability. | |
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kudos:1 | Why fiber? Fiber = 7% of homes and no more in the US.
I live in a city and two miles away from me there's no cable because it's too far to justify the cost. How is running fiber justified when cable can't make it there?
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kudos:2 | Re: Why fiber? said by ARGONAUT:Fiber = 7% of homes and no more in the US. I live in a city and two miles away from me there's no cable because it's too far to justify the cost. How is running fiber justified when cable can't make it there? Not to go off topic, but there is NO place they can't run phone service, or DSL service, or cable, money being no object, in the US.
The truth is the truth.
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: Why fiber? does the place have to be on earth? or does LEO count too? cause ill bring up the ISS then!
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kudos:1 | said by gatorkram:said by ARGONAUT:Fiber = 7% of homes and no more in the US. I live in a city and two miles away from me there's no cable because it's too far to justify the cost. How is running fiber justified when cable can't make it there? Not to go off topic, but there is NO place they can't run phone service, or DSL service, or cable, money being no object, in the US. The truth is the truth. ps. I know you guys are getting on google earth right now, trying to find some place you can't..... Yes, cable could be ran but it isn't because of cost and last time I checked fiber costs a little bit more.
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kudos:2 | Re: Why fiber? said by ARGONAUT:said by gatorkram:said by ARGONAUT:Fiber = 7% of homes and no more in the US. I live in a city and two miles away from me there's no cable because it's too far to justify the cost. How is running fiber justified when cable can't make it there? Not to go off topic, but there is NO place they can't run phone service, or DSL service, or cable, money being no object, in the US. The truth is the truth. ps. I know you guys are getting on google earth right now, trying to find some place you can't..... Yes, cable could be ran but it isn't because of cost and last time I checked fiber costs a little bit more. Yeah, I sort of missed the jist of your post...
It would seem like a better investment to run fiber, if nothing is in the ground now though.
Not sure how much TV you could watch over the fiber though, unless the local cable op could push something over that glass to whoever was interested.
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Verizon targets these high income areas. Meanwhile, 80 year old Joe Schmoe in a mansion in Alpine, NJ doesn't give a rats a$$. He still has that C-Band dish out in his yard that was installed 20-30 years ago and is doing just fine with his landline. To them, it's a "me too" product and they're right. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: IPTV reason to upgrade? said by sameshtdd:Wouldn't these speeds have to be shared with your TV service also since FiOS wants to go to an all IPTV system? I guess so....
but man..
How many different channels could you watch at once..
And don't even get me started about how much you could tivo/dvr...
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| | | | Re: IPTV reason to upgrade? 4 HDDVRS all recording 2 HD streams at the same time. That's 8 streams. 8x19Mbps=160Mbpsx64users=5.12Gbps
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Baltimore, MD | Some did not want to reinvest in their network? Some people are so stupid, apparently some investors apparently wanted verizon to be simply ran out of business. But then again thats why they are investors instead of being CEO's of large company's. I have some stock in comcast but you don't see me crying and complaining that the company is spending money on network upgrades.
Then again I guess investors wanted them to keep abusing the network that they did not need pay for by doing rate hikes and all other kinds of bs they do to abuse their customers.
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Saint Louis, MO | Re: hmm It really should not be all that expensive. They should be able to use the same fiber just replace the equipment on both ends. | |
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Saint Louis, MO | Re: hmm Yes, but installing new lines (fiber or otherwise) is very expensive. Upgrading one fiber speed to another does not require putting in new fiber. | |
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Saint Louis, MO | Re: hmm Backbone upgrade usually do not require laying new fiber(the major expense), it usually just means changing the hardware on both ends of the connection. Now when you exceed the maximum amount your fiber bundle can handle, you do have to run new fiber. Most areas still have a ton of dark fiber(backbone) that was put down with government money in 1996(?). | |
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| more details please I'd like to know if this is 10gbits per port or per node?
Still, most of these companies are kinda afraid of the applications customers will use 100/100, or any symmetric bandwidth above 20 megabits upload for anyhow. The amound of VIDEO allegedly pirated these days is staggering, imageing when the spigot of REAL next gen symmetrical bandwidth is AFFORDABLE (ie 100/100 for maybe $75 per month, or less UNBUNDLED, no contract required). Unless these companies start lowering the price of bandwidth tiers, a 10gbits connection can run you a mortgage payment ($1500+ a month, and that's only when you buy the phone line, and/or cable-tv too haha). | |
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Verizon will have to come up with 100 /25 or 100/50 to compete. I dont see wh ythey didnt do that already.
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| Re: more details please said by majortom1029:well if you figure in the $300 one time feee for cablevision to a per month or after that fee $100 a month for $100/15 is not that bad of a price. Verizon will have to come up with 100 /25 or 100/50 to compete. I dont see wh ythey didnt do that already. Maybe because some of long island is on bpon instead of gpon. We all know if 100% of the node is activated, the MAX utilization (without SHARING thruput like a cablemodem does) is 75 megabits upload, each. Upgrading the CPE ONT to gpons doubles that bandwidth, so-- in theory 150megabits upload is possible. The major carriers have not given good reasons (or excuses) WHY they are not offering symmetric plans to the public at affordable pricing. Cablevision will eventually drop the early adopter fee, probably after the spin-off of MSG is complete. Verizon is also kinda desperate.. they're now offering the FIOS triple play for $69.99 a month for one year ** not inclusive of the taxes, fees, and settop rentals per month (so figure they're approximating a match to the $99 a month price give or take $5), then on top of that offering $150 cash back (for fulfilling at LEAST the 1-year contract). This apparently means customers don't really like the phone and cable-tv crap that Verizon is shoveling in the greater NY Metro area, and the honeymoon that was FIOS INTERNET WAS OVER IN 2007ish. As we head into 2010, I predict that there WILL be some increased competition in the MOST competitive geographies, but the rest of you out there are still SCREWED (IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN)! | |
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| | Because we're abandoning our DSL customers! Nice Verizon.
Brag about technology useless to 80% of your customers.
But fail at replacing your copper infrastructure.
I wish the Verizon execs would be forced to live on dialup and no wireless nearby.
Can you hear me now?
Enjoy the Snow Easterners!!!
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New Orleans, LA | Re: Because we're abandoning our DSL customers! said by cableties:Nice Verizon. Brag about technology useless to 80% of your customers. But fail at replacing your copper infrastructure. I wish the Verizon execs would be forced to live on dialup and no wireless nearby. Can you hear me now? Enjoy the Snow Easterners!!! +1 | |
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| | No soup for j00! Take a good look, rural America. Yet another product you'll never see! | |
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| | | Re: No soup for j00! said by Meeks :
Take a good look, rural America. Yet another product you'll never see!
You sure?........This rural area of Washington State has had fiber optic connections since 2000, it even had TV and phone service along with the fastest internet in the USA! | |
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