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Comments on news posted 2009-12-24 11:22:54: Remember about a year ago, when the RIAA leaked word to the Wall Street Journal that they were replacing their misguided tactic of suing grandmothers and college students with a new anti-piracy system? That system involved ISPs, who would implement p.. ..

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Harddrive
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Just face the facts...

in the digital age, there will always be piracy of digital media. its just too easy to get it free.
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Spin

Trying to explain the RIAA's utter failure to rally ISPs to their defense. They wanted 3 strike like in some EU countries and if they say any different, they're lying (as usual).

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Which P2P users? P2P has a non infringing use!

How do the ISP's determine which P2P users are infringing by downloading copyrighted songs. What about those songs that are unrestricted by the copyright owner. I know, the RIAA wants a cut from all musical compositions downloaded, whether the composer/performer wants to be paid or not and whether or not the RIAA owns rights to the compositions/performances in question.

If the compositions are in the public domain who owns the performance copyright. A copyright control agency in Canada recently got the finger by music labels when the copyright control agency could not prove that they owned the performance copyright on the songs in question. The labels already had a license to distribute the compositions. Our lawmakers need a good dose of education. Our copyright system is so complicated that even an experienced Philadelphia Lawyer has a trouble in interpreting the law.


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said by Mr Matt:

How do the ISP's determine which P2P users are infringing by downloading copyrighted songs. What about those songs that are unrestricted by the copyright owner. I know, the RIAA wants a cut from all musical compositions downloaded, whether the composer/performer wants to be paid or not and whether or not the RIAA owns rights to the compositions/performances in question.

If the compositions are in the public domain who owns the performance copyright. A copyright control agency in Canada recently got the finger by music labels when the copyright control agency could not prove that they owned the performance copyright on the songs in question. The labels already had a license to distribute the compositions. Our lawmakers need a good dose of education. Our copyright system is so complicated that even an experienced Philadelphia Lawyer has a trouble in interpreting the law.
You can't, period. When I get those letters, unless it's served by a court, I just put them in the bathroom to use as toilet paper later that day.
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How many have you gotten? I'm interested to see what kind of letter volumes people have seen that they've subsequently ignored...


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Re: Just face the facts...

said by Harddrive:

in the digital age, there will always be piracy of digital media. its just too easy to get it free.
The real tragedy here is that parents, through their words and actions, tell their children that it is ok to steal, cheat, & lie - just don't get caught. And that is why policies to enforce morality aren't working. We have a generation of people who have been taught that anything goes; morals are relative; and if caught hire a good lawyer to get out of it.
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Good news here

The good news here is that there seems to be increasing pressure on all sides to stop these lawsuits. Judges are beginning to wise up and not just accept that anything the RIAA presents is 100% fact. Defendants are seeing that that they can fight back if they are innocent instead of just accepting the "easy" $3,000 settlement (and admission of guilt). Artists have publicly gone on record opposing these actions (weakening the RIAA's "we're doing it all for the artists" claim). And now record labels themselves are starting to get skittish about the whole affair. It's just a matter of time before the RIAA's "sue everyone no matter how flimsy the evidence" tactic falls apart completely. I, for one, look forward to that day!
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Re: Just face the facts...

no, i think its politicians and big business that tell people 'that it is ok to steal, cheat, & lie - just don't get caught.'
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cpsycho

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Re: Which P2P users? P2P has a non infringing use!

I have never gotten one letter. I dont download that much, if its a movie I am considering buy or a game thats impossible to buy now a days then yeah I use torrents.


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said by Mr Matt:

How do the ISP's determine which P2P users are infringing by downloading copyrighted songs.
My understanding is that they go to the places where songs are traded and join in the trades. I expect that they are only concerned with titles whose copyright holders are RIAA members.
What about those songs that are unrestricted by the copyright owner. I know, the RIAA wants a cut from all musical compositions downloaded, whether the composer/performer wants to be paid or not and whether or not the RIAA owns rights to the compositions/performances in question.
Really? Can you cite a source? I seriously don't see how they can collect fees for titles they (rather their members) don't hold copyright to.
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I received an email from verizon yesterday about copyright infringement..but other than that I haven't received any in 7 years.


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said by Karl Bode:

How many have you gotten? I'm interested to see what kind of letter volumes people have seen that they've subsequently ignored...
Not a single one. But I don't trade music at all, and what I do trade is from sources which are not (nearly as I can tell) members of either the RIAA, or MPAA. I leave their stuff alone; most isn't worth the trouble to get "free". If it isn't worth paying for, it isn't worth having.
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Re: Just face the facts...

Your perspective would hold water if the RIAA and record companies weren't using lawyers to protect their right to trowel out poptart sludge no one wants to buy while paying the artists a pittance so they can pay their CEOs 6 and 7 figure incomes.

I read their latest tactic is to charge a fee for the short demos of songs on iTunes; I should pay to find out if their songs are worth paying for? F A I L !

Maybe some day they'll wake up and realize that if they want better sales they need better music, movies and games to sell. When you market product to the lowest common denominator of the market you get lowest common denominator sales and prices.

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said by FFH5:

said by Harddrive:

in the digital age, there will always be piracy of digital media. its just too easy to get it free.
The real tragedy here is that parents, through their words and actions, tell their children that it is ok to steal, cheat, & lie - just don't get caught. And that is why policies to enforce morality aren't working. We have a generation of people who have been taught that anything goes; morals are relative; and if caught hire a good lawyer to get out of it.
Speak for yourself.


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said by viperlmw:

said by FFH5:

said by Harddrive:

in the digital age, there will always be piracy of digital media. its just too easy to get it free.
The real tragedy here is that parents, through their words and actions, tell their children that it is ok to steal, cheat, & lie - just don't get caught. And that is why policies to enforce morality aren't working. We have a generation of people who have been taught that anything goes; morals are relative; and if caught hire a good lawyer to get out of it.
Speak for yourself.
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reply to Harddrive
Exactly, i personally use newsgroups as such they can't me or any other people that use same type of service.


silentlooker
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Re: Which P2P users? P2P has a non infringing use!

Never gotten such notice, i do use newsgroups instead of p2p so that is most likely the reason why i never gotten a notice.

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Re: Just face the facts...

You presume to speak for all parents. Your statement of "parents, through their words and actions, tell their children that it is ok to steal, cheat, & lie - just don't get caught" asserts all parents DO condone it. Your broad statement is *far* from the truth.

In our capitalist society where theft writ large occurs by corporate leaders and there are anti-consumer actions that borderline on criminal (most-recent example being Verizon's $1.99 mystery data fee), is it really then surprising that small scale theft flourishes?

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said by viperlmw:

said by FFH5:

said by Harddrive:

in the digital age, there will always be piracy of digital media. its just too easy to get it free.
The real tragedy here is that parents, through their words and actions, tell their children that it is ok to steal, cheat, & lie - just don't get caught. And that is why policies to enforce morality aren't working. We have a generation of people who have been taught that anything goes; morals are relative; and if caught hire a good lawyer to get out of it.
Speak for yourself.
said by FFH5:

I always do. Who else would I speak for?
"The real tragedy here is that I, through MY words and actions, tell MY children that it is ok to steal, cheat, & lie - just don't get caught. And that is why policies to enforce morality aren't working. I have a generation of people who have been taught that anything goes; morals are relative; and if caught hire a good lawyer to get out of it."

Then I fixed it for you!

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I have received two letters, though they were across two different ISPs (Comcast and FiOS). I just ignored them and nothing ever came of it. These days I mostly stick to private trackers for torrents and hosted files like rapidshare and megaupload for downloading my linux ISOs so I'm not too worried about getting many, if any, warnings in the future.

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Re: Just face the facts...

said by Harddrive:

no, i think its politicians and big business that tell people 'that it is ok to steal, cheat, & lie - just don't get caught.'
damn, you beat me to it. Accountability and taking responsibility for ones actions no longer exists in America.


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So, in other words, our children have been taught to act like corporations! Wow, there's a winning strategy.
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said by FFH5:

The real tragedy here is that parents, through their words and actions, tell their children that it is ok to steal, cheat, & lie - just don't get caught. And that is why policies to enforce morality aren't working. We have a generation of people who have been taught that anything goes; morals are relative; and if caught hire a good lawyer to get out of it.
This statement is so full of shit that you must have held your breath while typing it. Downloading media is not lying, cheating or stealing -- it's downloading media. At best it's fair use/non-issue (for open works) and at worst it's copyright infringement.

Further, morality is highly relative. What you may say is immoral, I may say is benign or even fun.

The problem is not morality or ethics, the problem is content providers forgot about the law of supply and demand. They were so busy manufacturing false shortages and charging exorbitant prices for their shitty content, that when the dam broke and supply skyrocketed they cried and shook their fists at their "customers" instead of adapting.

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It's my right to get it for free!

I believe in what our dear leader Obama said, "spread the wealth around". I am poor and can't afford to pay for music and movies so I think it's fair that I get it for free! The stinking-rich artists, producers, directors, etc. aren't hurting in these difficult financial times so I am taking my rightful share of their excessive wealth. Power to the people! (You may take this post as being sarcastic and maybe it is...but just a little)

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Why should Congress and the courts...

Why does Congress and the courts continue to help the RIAA to foist CDs on the American public? The public doesn't WANT CDs any more! They've been saying that with their wallets for YEARS! Yet the clueless RIAA continues to desperately cling to this ancient, obsolete distribution model-and the lawmakers seem hell bent to FORCE americans to use it for all their music needs.

I know--let's legislate that all TV should revert to black and white-that would save the networks a fortune! While we're at it, let's mandate that all TV sets be made up of 100% vacuum tubes too-after all transistors and ICs have decimated the vacuum tube industry!

Let's require that all cars be made 100% out of steel-after all the steel industry is on the skids too.

How come that all these industries were allowed to evolve without government intervention-yet congress refuses to allow digital distribution of music to evolve?

Oh wait-I know! Those industries had COMPETITION working for them! Because manufacturers had to compete against each other for TV set sales, TVs got better and came with features that the public wanted. Because Detroit had to compete with the likes of Toyota and Honda, their quality got better.

NINETY PERCENT of the music in the USA is owned by four companies, acting as a cartel no less. thanks to the RIAA.
As long as this is allowed to continue, THEY will dictate to US how we can get our music legally!


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Re: Which P2P users? P2P has a non infringing use!

said by NormanS:

said by Karl Bode:

How many have you gotten? I'm interested to see what kind of letter volumes people have seen that they've subsequently ignored...
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Re: Just face the facts...

and do you think maybe the reason is the fact these companies have been stealing from us for years and now it is payback ???

think about it...............................i do not buy any new movies from any of these corporate studios.i buy only used now unless it is a tv show i want to lend my support to in the hopes it won't be cancelled.

1.blu-ray vs dvd manufacturing is only pennies difference so why are we paying tens of dollars more for blu-ray...maybe because we are being thieved by them
2.DRM BS.....screw you DRM KRAP

i am sure you can add onto the list of why folks download.


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Re: Which P2P users? P2P has a non infringing use!

I'm sure they can put up bait and log ip addresses. Best to go with netflix and avoid the loss of your privacy


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Re: Just face the facts...

said by FFH5:

said by Harddrive:

in the digital age, there will always be piracy of digital media. its just too easy to get it free.
The real tragedy here is that parents, through their words and actions, tell their children that it is ok to steal, cheat, & lie - just don't get caught. And that is why policies to enforce morality aren't working. We have a generation of people who have been taught that anything goes; morals are relative; and if caught hire a good lawyer to get out of it.
Are you kidding me? With all the lying & stealing bullshit this government & big business do on a daily basis out in the open to everybody & get away with, your gonna sit there & blame the parents? Talk about being mislead!! You need to try some different koolaid. I'm not defending all but you sure did make one big blanket statement there bud!
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Re: Which P2P users? P2P has a non infringing use!

said by annony55 :

I'm sure they can put up bait and log ip addresses. Best to go with netflix and avoid the loss of your privacy
Do you work for RIAA?