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Sterling Heights, MI | Re: d'ogh Google wants everything to be "free" as long as they hold the "advertising rights and channels" | |
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South Bend, IN | nahhh All this talk about this phone and when its all said and done its just another Android phone on one of the smallest networks with the smallest 3g coverage.
Now if Tmobile actually had 3g coverage in my area then it would be much different but sadly it does not. | |
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kudos:1 | Whatever One thing I noticed early on was that the blogosphere was just quoting each other and no real credible source. So I never expected google to sell the phone on their own.  | |
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|  FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium
join:2005-03-19 | Re: Whatever um they are selling it on their own. no word yet on t-mobile actually selling it.
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|  GbcueAlmost P.E.Premium
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| said by Clever_Proxy:TMobile's 3g coverage always has been a disappointment. The service is great in my city, better than iPhone users. Their pricing is also more reasonable than AT&T or Verizon. That's the only reason I went with them. I think what I'm most irked about is I got the MT3G right before the Nexus One was about to come out. The MT3G is such a weak and dated phone. I should have did my research before I made the purchase. I know what you mean. I got the MT3G a week after it started selling. Lucky for me, I only went with the 1-year contract so I can afford to sell it right now and buy a Nexus One.
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kudos:3 | A shoot and a miss Google was so close to getting me to buy one
I'd have been willing to pay upto $350 for the phone (hay I keep my phones till they wear out)
but no ATT 3G = bad
$530 for a phone = no way
for $530 it had better have all the greatest stuff (3G on my cell carier's network, exchange active sync built in, real GPS, tethering, and more)
and missing even one of those I won't pay $530 for it (maybe $150 but that $150 would have to be unsubsidized
hay you can buy a whole computer for less than $530 (the Acer revo 1600 is only $200 and the 3600 is only $350) so how can they charge that much for just a phone | |
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Lake Zurich, IL | Re: A shoot and a miss Why should something cost less just because it's smaller? | |
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kudos:3 | Re: A shoot and a miss Are you saying that you think it costs more to make a phone than a whole computer? | |
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Lake Zurich, IL | Re: A shoot and a miss Why wouldn't it? Can you slide a netbook in your shirt pocket or carry it around running for 2 days without charging it? You're comparing apples and watermelons. | |
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kudos:3 | said by DarkLogix:Are you saying that you think it costs more to make a phone than a whole computer? Are you saying that price is relevant to size? Often times, and in many cases, smaller "anything" is usually more expensive as more has to go into making them. While it's not always the case, it generally holds true when electronics tend to get smaller.
I think people are, quite frankly, spoiled when it comes to the subsidized phone scheme. People tend to look at the cheapest listed price as the "norm" and forget that there are things attached to these lower prices.. they're more than happy to get the cheaper price, but, down the road is out of sight, out of mind... how soon we forget.
So, in my opinion, yes, in some cases, it does cost more to make a phone than some of the "whole computers" you are referring to. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: A shoot and a miss no I didn't mean that to should just becaus eits smaller but that it does less than
Standard desktop $900
lets say a normal laptop about $850
a netbook $350
Small netbook based desktop $200
ya the trend sure seems to be holding
sure sometimes a luxury one might cost alot more (there are some $2000 netbooks) but those tend to be over priced and aimed at certaint people
for the most part they make it smaller to save them selfs money since it costs them less to make
for the price of that N1 you could get a Netbook with built in 3G and use skype with a bluetooth headset and then put the netbook in a backpack or carrying case
you could even load linux on it | |
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kudos:3 | Re: A shoot and a miss I have to say something tho... I think your pricing estimates are way off.
A standard desktop is about $600 (you did say "standard)
A normal laptop is on average of about $450-600
A netbook, sure, average price is about $300-400
...and I"m really not sure what a small netbook based "desktop" is.. a netbook isn't a desktop. 
And honestly, I've never seen a netbook costing $2,000 ... got a link to one?
Also, we're here again with the way out of the norm set up to make phone calls. While you're right, someone can get a netbook, 3G coverage, skype, bluetooth, yada yada.. no one is going to do that as a cell phone, its simply no comparison. YES, it COULD be done, but when talking in comparison, its just not a valid one.
I'm not sure why you brought up Linux other than maybe reference, however, again, it's not a mainstream O/S, and if it's for cost comparison, in a netbook, XP isn't really a cost factor.. the makers pay generally about $5 to $10 for the O/S in bulk for the OEM license. | |
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| said by DarkLogix:no I didn't mean that to should just becaus eits smaller but that it does less than Standard desktop $900 lets say a normal laptop about $850 a netbook $350 Small netbook based desktop $200 ya the trend sure seems to be holding sure sometimes a luxury one might cost alot more (there are some $2000 netbooks) but those tend to be over priced and aimed at certaint people for the most part they make it smaller to save them selfs money since it costs them less to make for the price of that N1 you could get a Netbook with built in 3G and use skype with a bluetooth headset and then put the netbook in a backpack or carrying case you could even load linux on it And who's going to do that?
The N1 has turn-by-turn GPS, 3g, bluetooth, and it fits in your pocket. Do you seriously think that people want to lug around a backpack everywhere they go? If you do, how bout you set up a shop that only sells 3g netbooks with bluetooth, and see how many customers you get.
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| Re: A shoot and a miss said by sonicmerlin:said by jester121:Why should something cost less just because it's smaller? Because....it`s smaller? It uses less components? It`s less complicated to make? Why do you think GPU manufacturers, console makers, hardware vendors, etc. all try to shrink their hardware as time goes on? Because in the future, everything takes up less space.
In the present, those things are as small as can be, but in a phone, they're even smaller, if that makes sense, so it costs more to get something smaller than a standard size.
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| said by sonicmerlin:Because....it`s smaller? It uses less components? It`s less complicated to make? Why do you think GPU manufacturers, console makers, hardware vendors, etc. all try to shrink their hardware as time goes on? Um... so they can cram more and more transistors into a given space. How is cramming more smaller stuff into a smaller space "less complicated"?
Never mind....
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| | | | | | Re: A shoot and a miss said by jester121:said by sonicmerlin:Because....it`s smaller? It uses less components? It`s less complicated to make? Why do you think GPU manufacturers, console makers, hardware vendors, etc. all try to shrink their hardware as time goes on? Um... so they can cram more and more transistors into a given space. How is cramming more smaller stuff into a smaller space "less complicated"? Never mind.... This discussion has gotten silly, have a nice day. They use a particular fabrication process that is standard across the board. Whether that`s 32 nm or 40 or whatever, it`s standard. The smaller the dye, the less it costs. They don`t make special transistors for these devices. No special technology is used, besides a proprietary chip. The smaller the device, the less material you have to use to make it. Thus the shrinking of the PS3, which helps reduce Sony`s costs.
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Miniaturization of components is not exactly easy.
Yes, once it is DONE, they mass produce the silicon and it's easy to replicate.
But actually getting to the point of it being smaller costs money, and time, and research.
And it isn't exactly big to begin with. Compare any smart phone today to a Palm Pilot or PDA from the late 90's that couldn't even make phone calls. They've come a long, and expensive way, through miniaturization. | |
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|  onebadmofoRepost These Nuts In Your Mouth.Premium
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kudos:1 | said by DarkLogix:Google was so close to getting me to buy one I'd have been willing to pay upto $350 for the phone (hay I keep my phones till they wear out) but no ATT 3G = bad $530 for a phone = no way for $530 it had better have all the greatest stuff (3G on my cell carier's network, exchange active sync built in, real GPS, tethering, and more) and missing even one of those I won't pay $530 for it (maybe $150 but that $150 would have to be unsubsidized hay you can buy a whole computer for less than $530 (the Acer revo 1600 is only $200 and the 3600 is only $350) so how can they charge that much for just a phone An Acer?! I wouldn't take one if they were free. They're shit.
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Sterling, VA | Where do they come up with these prices? Maybe if it was at $200 unsubsidized, unlocked it'd have a chance. This is not different than what other vendors are offering (ie, crap).
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| | Of Course Not "Status Quo" sounds right. Another overpriced monthly plan and long contract, or supposedly substandard use with other carriers? Lame!
Not that we know for sure yet, but seriously, this is not real competition for customers. People need to be blown away by pricing at this point, because I doubt the device will be remarkably better than the iPhone.
There are reasons why some people haven't bought iPhones, and one of those reasons is the prices for plans and the device itself. Give us a data-only option that's less than $50/mo, and if you really wanna wow people, develop VOIP and give customers a ton of call time. The best way for Google to compete is to knock the cell phone companies out of their "per minute" perch and away from mandatory data plans and lengthly contracts. | |
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| | | Re: Of Course Not You put it perfectly. You are exaclty right. That is what Google needs to do. | |
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| Re: Nexus 1 said by Napsterbater:For about $400 I got a Nokia E72 that will work on all 3 3G frequencies (850, 1900, 2100 I.E. Tmo and ATT, as well as overseas) and it has VoIP abilities built in, I Would have loved one of the google phones but no ATT 3g and it's/their selling for more then the E72 made it easy choice. Nope, that E72 will not work on T-Mobile in the US.
You got ripped off.
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Why isn't everyone cheering?
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Lincolnshire, IL | Baby steps....... In the right direction. This is Google's first stab at designing a phone and it's pretty impressive overall. Yes, it's expensive unsubsidized, but should Google decide to stick with it, I'd expect prices to fall in future revs/models. It is too bad the radio doesn't cover other carriers 3G frequencies, and hopefully they'll be able to address this with the next model.
Unfortunately, and unless Google decides to become a wireless cell company, most of what there is to complain about remain on the carrier side. | |
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WIND has much bigger problems on its hands (network stability) but many people are anxious to have this phone added to the lineup.
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Chicago, IL | price I was all set to buy one when I first saw it was going to be 199, until the news leaked out yesterday that is the subsidized price and it's 530 out the door. I don't want to switch plans, nor have I been a customer long enough to get the subsidized price. And Google is an ad revenue drive company, which could be the subsidy to lower the price from $530. If I'm paying that much money it's reasonable to demand they don't track my browsing history, and don't show ads. If they do, I'd expect a check every month. The N900 sounds better and better every day.
For 199 it would have flown off the virtual shelves. For 530 it will be collecting dust bunnies. | |
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Atlanta, GA | big disappointment I'm already a T-Mobile customer and have been patiently waiting for "the perfect phone" to come along. This phone seemed to be it, it has everything I could want.
But this pricing and weird plan rules just kill it. I already have a great T-Mobile plan that I don't want to give up. If I didn't care about plans and cost I'd have already gotten one of the $49 refurb iPhone 3Gs' from AT&T but to get the same plan features I have would cost nearly double on AT&T. I can't afford that. My cell is my only phone and having unlimited anytime calling is a must-have.
So, T-Mobile and Google -- you're a big let-down here. A great phone is going to attract far less attention, at least far less positive attention, because of your stupidity and greed.
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Houston, TX | this is terrible Not only is this not a revolution, it is a big step backwards. Even AT&T permits iPhone users to select from multiple voice plans, with a mandatory data plan and optional texting plan. T-Mobile wants to offer this phone with only a single, unlimited everything plan that costs more than what I'm paying for my iPhone voice + data? If that turns out to be true, it's really awful and sets a very bad precedent for smartphone service plans going forward. | |
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| | and i will go get a 4.95 dial phone all this stupidity over cell phones is showing how stupid the so called tech generation is.
DO YOU think your parents would have paid 500$ for a phone?
NOPE they'd say ILL GO WITHOUT
you people don't get it but oh well pay on keep complaining when you in the end pay them anyhow ...wa wa wa . | |
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| | | Re: and i will go get a 4.95 dial phone Good argument. My parents didn't have internet access either. With your argument you should go without. I think I agree. | |
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| | | Re: and i will go get a 4.95 dial phone sorry for double post and ya know my dad got me internet in the 80's
he didn't know anyhting about computers but was SMART enough to know i should have that instead of an atari.
and he recently canceled his internet with bell and his telephone with them over there treatment of me and his self and he was a 20 year bell customer.
thats how you run a company....SCREW WITH LONG TERM CUSTOMERS
so yes he had net access and goes without and yes also goes without a phone | |
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