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and compete with piracy by offering huge catalogs of content cheaply, quickly, and with limited hassle.
Yeah. Right. People throw out this idea all the time. And it is so bogus it should be laughed off the table. Cheap is still more expensive than free. And the people who steal music and movies can't be encouraged to pay for it no matter how cheap it is. So all the whining about the RIAA & MPAA adopting new business plans is just so much hot air.
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and compete with piracy by offering huge catalogs of content cheaply, quickly, and with limited hassle.
Yeah. Right. People throw out this idea all the time. And it is so bogus it should be laughed off the table. Cheap is still more expensive than free. And the people who steal music and movies can't be encouraged to pay for it no matter how cheap it is. So all the whining about the RIAA & MPAA adopting new business plans is just so much hot air. You seem to feel like you speak for a lot of people. Maybe you should stick to speaking for yourself.
I am a reformed copyright infringer, and can speak with some authority on why I stopped.
Safer and cheaper alternatives. Period.
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The future path is obvious.
Some people think suing your customers or booting them from the Internet (so they can never be customers again) makes more sense than trying to convert pirates to legal alternatives. They continue to be wrong. | |
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New Orleans, LA | Re: It's just that easy, right? said by Karl Bode:Also take a look at what Steam is doing for PC Gaming. Take a look at what Netflix can do for movies over broadband. The future path is obvious. Some people think suing your customers or booting them from the Internet (so they can never be customers again) makes more sense than trying to convert pirates to legal alternatives. They continue to be wrong. Amazing how late they will be to the party, i.e. future world of media downloading | |
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But Hollywood doesn't like Netflix anymore
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I honestly didn't expect Steam to take off, but it was appaerent that it was successful once other game developers started to jump on the boat.
Some DSLR may be saying "so what? iTunes sells music for cheap!", you are missing the guiding principle behind Steam. Steam isn't about downloading 5GB of data and let you worry about data integrity, but that you can download any game any number of times without fee.
Buy a new computer? Just download the game again.
On a friends computer? Just download the game again.
With iTunes, you download it, and if your hard drive crashes, oh well (I think you get what...5 free downloads then you have to PAY FOR THE SONG AGAIN). I don't think steam would be as successful today if they used the iTunes philosophy. Especially after the fifth new computer and you couldn't play a game that you supposedly purchased.
I think I could be ok with a monthly fee access to a set of movies similar to netflix style. But I have a problem purchasing something that is apparent that I don't own. | |
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Also, as a Netflix user, I can't wait until they convince the bigwig movie execs that they are the future of movie viewing. Then I will finally be able to watch a high quality copy of Avatar in the comfort of my easy chair and not have to deal with the swarm of locusts eating and crinkling and coughing and giggling and talking on the cell phone while I wanna WATCH THE GODDAMN MOVIE!! | |
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I'm more than tech-savvy enough to find stuff I want to download for free online.
I choose to buy my music online. Why? The providers have made it easy. And I prefer to pay for the value I derive from having it.
The moment that Apple removed DRM from iTunes was the moment I became a customer.
And I'll do the same for buying movies online too. Kill the DRM and let me use my purchase as I see fit (preferably with a decent online customer interface) and you'll have me as a customer for life.
said by fAcEtIOUs:Cheap is still more expensive than free. Yes, but the pirates have always been with us and always will be. Heck, I used to pirate Commodore 64 games back when we were cracking and copying 5 1/4" floppy disks (I'll note that I no longer engage in this sort of thing and made a point of buying my favorite games—the Ultima Collection—when it became available back in the '90s)
Piracy is the sort of thing that most people grow out of. It's a combination of immature self-centeredness, lack of empathy and lack of funds. And even if you retain the self-centeredness as you grow older, most of us begin to earn enough to drop $0.99 on the tracks we want to get (a small price to pay to avoid the headaches and hassles that go hand-in-hand with piracy).
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and compete with piracy by offering huge catalogs of content cheaply, quickly, and with limited hassle.
Yeah. Right. People throw out this idea all the time. And it is so bogus it should be laughed off the table. Cheap is still more expensive than free. And the people who steal music and movies can't be encouraged to pay for it no matter how cheap it is. So all the whining about the RIAA & MPAA adopting new business plans is just so much hot air. I'm a netflix subscriber primarily due to the ability to stream movies online. I occasionally rent movies from other sources.
I've been known to download movies in the past, and may end up doing so in the future.
I disprove your statement.
If digital media rental were to go down a tad bit more (currently at $2.99 at most places), I would go ahead and rent online as well. | |
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In a situation like this it's easier to pirate the movie and stream it to my 360 then to go out and rent/buy it (don't forget cheaper as well). For most Canadians this won't change until the lawmakers pull their heads out of their a$$es and allow content to be streamed to Canada.
It's just like many others have said here, in this case it's easier to obtain these materials illegally, so that's whats going to be done. Would I "pirate" shows if I could stream them legally from Hulu? Hell no! | |
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and compete with piracy by offering huge catalogs of content cheaply, quickly, and with limited hassle.
Yeah. Right. People throw out this idea all the time. And it is so bogus it should be laughed off the table. Cheap is still more expensive than free. And the people who steal music and movies can't be encouraged to pay for it no matter how cheap it is. So all the whining about the RIAA & MPAA adopting new business plans is just so much hot air. Sorry. But this is just not true.
I see people around me pick a product they pay for over free all the time. | |
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| said by fAcEtIOUs:said by thender: quote:
and compete with piracy by offering huge catalogs of content cheaply, quickly, and with limited hassle.
Yeah. Right. People throw out this idea all the time. And it is so bogus it should be laughed off the table. Cheap is still more expensive than free. And the people who steal music and movies can't be encouraged to pay for it no matter how cheap it is. So all the whining about the RIAA & MPAA adopting new business plans is just so much hot air. And the HUGE mistake the RIAA and MPAA do is making the assumption that EVERY downloader is someone that won't be buying. Fact is, MANY downloaders DO BUY and many downloaders WOULDN'T BUY ANYWAY. Of course, if they quoted 'real' numbers, the fact that piracy isn't NEARLY as much of a problem as they want you to believe would become obvious-and they would be shown up for the liars they are! | |
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| said by fAcEtIOUs:People throw out this idea all the time. And it is so bogus it should be laughed off the table. Cheap is still more expensive than free. And the people who steal music and movies can't be encouraged to pay for it no matter how cheap it is. So all the whining about the RIAA & MPAA adopting new business plans is just so much hot air. I used to download movies and music all the time. It got to where it was just easier to buy it off Rhapsody than bother with looking for it on P2P networks. Now that DRM is gone and I can download plain ol' MP3's, I don't mind paying. However I have 0 use for anything with DRM, and won't buy it specifically for that reason.
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I honestly can't remember the last time I have bought a DVD or CD..
The movie Hangout came out about a week ago. This movie is so good I would like to purchase it but I would prefer to just buy and download it online and then burn my own dvd.
Where can I go (without it being a pain in the ass) to purchase it at a decent price and download it at resonable speed so I can burn it to my blank DVD or stream it to my xbox? | |
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| said by fAcEtIOUs:People throw out this idea all the time. And it is so bogus it should be laughed off the table. Cheap is still more expensive than free. And the people who steal music and movies can't be encouraged to pay for it no matter how cheap it is. So all the whining about the RIAA & MPAA adopting new business plans is just so much hot air. Sorry but you are wrong. The reality is... new movie comes out... and there will be CAMS and telesyncs(which are still cams). Eventually a dvd-rip comes along. Why is dvd delayed? To force you into going to the theatres who have a monopoly on distribution. To eat ther 10,000% profit margin popcorn and pop. Maintaining their right to throw you out without reimbursement and reserving the right to search your cavities; for the potential of candy bars you are smuggling in... They really want to sell you their bars at their price.
Furthermore... you have no right to return a poor product. I can buy a computer and use it for 25 days. After 25 days I return it and say I'm not satisfied. After you see that movie... if it's the worst movie ever... I cant return it.
The reality is... they are selling the movie. They are selling the experience of the movie theatre. It makes no difference in cost if the theatre is packed or not. The electricity to show the movie is the same. The cost of the movie viewing is actually pretty much 0.
Which puts the whole situation of piracy in a different light. You arent costing them anything. You havent taken part in the theatre effect.
The business model of the movie business should be forced to change to accurately represent this.
Furthermore; what they should now acknowledge. Since viewing the movie is essentially free. Torrents arent providing a theatre experience. They can provide DVD quality torrents for say $1 on the new MPAAbay torrent site. This out the gate defeats the purpose of patting down people for camera; doing inspections; etc etc. To try to stop CAMs from hitting the net. Furthermore with the change in employee costs due to this change. Prices can change; or if convenience is that price; allow foreign foods in the theatre. This immediately makes the Theatre Experience slightly more palatable. I dont like being patted down and having my bag opened and inspected; after I proved I was a customer. It sure doesnt make me want to go see more movies when the "theatre experience" is so shit. | |
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2 edits | I'm not saying I agree or disagree with piracy.
However, the idea that it is simple to come up with a new model whereby people can actually make money off music again and make careers out of it so they can do it as a profession and be GOOD at it, is not as easy as it is implied to be in this news report.
We used to be in a society where the most upper class chose with their money what we listened to. Notice how in the late 1800s most music you could see in concert was of very similar style. Labels like motown, and others before them, made it so people chose with their dollars who they liked. Who the fans liked shaped the direction the label would go in.
In a society where music isn't as valued because people don't pay for it, someone else must pay for it. This puts control of what gets played, promoted, etc, in the hands of people with money, and this is never a good thing IMO.
If many groups couldn't make a living out of music, they'd need other jobs. Yes, it's possible to be successful that way, but unless there's a living to be made in it, they can't put a living's worth of effort into it. I am not a musician but I did have the honor of being the person who repaired gear at high end facilities. I see what people go through to get where they are. If you want to be a master of your craft(especially good music), you have to put your life into it.
I love usenet, and I love the conveniences it affords me. It's not even about money, it's about centralized, convenient sources to grab quality media in a portable format. However, I do fear for the future if it is easily made available for free. The last decade is seeing the damage this does.
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My local public library is large enough that they purchase all the latest titles for me to watch.
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1 edit | ok.... Bono like many artist is just angry at the fact that his work is being distributed illegally casing him and U@ as a band to loos money, while his comment is extreme it's understandable where he's coming from.
As far as the "AA"s go. I would just like to know what their financial advisers are telling them when it comes to building a model that will compete with piracy offering customers what they actually want. | |
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Elbonia | Re: ok.... said by Bono :
A decade’s worth of music file-sharing and swiping has made clear that the people it hurts are the creators — in this case, the young, fledgling songwriters who can’t live off ticket and T-shirt sales like the least sympathetic among us — and the people this reverse Robin Hooding benefits are rich service providers, whose swollen profits perfectly mirror the lost receipts of the music business.
Is he lying or deluded?
The creators who are indentured serfs of the record companies have no stake in anti-piracy, as they have already sold their copyrights. And those who are not on major labels, and keep their copyrights, generally welcome the exposure. It's incredible that the public can still be fooled by this appeal to artists' interests, as if major-label artists got more than a few pennies per $16 CD.
It's true that ISPs are getting rich, but it's not because of filesharing, it's because they are local monopolies or oligopolies.
The best thing for the music business - meaning actual musicians - would be for the rich, greedy, control-freak middle-man industry to die and stop sucking their blood. Fortunately, filesharing is helping to make that happen. | |
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Hell, I don't listen to any of this commercial, pop garbage anymore. However, I do purchase mp3's from independent artists which have the drive in themselves to make it and don't rely on big labels and **IA terms and conditions..
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In all honestly, I was hoping that they would be making less money. As of now they can say that their efforts are working because of the money they are bringing in. | |
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| Re: Record profits are not the entire story said by scavio:Okay, I hate what both the RIAA and MPAA do to try to combat piracy, but linking to a PDF showing box office receipts are up doesn't tell me the whole story and it shouldn't be presented that way. DVD/BR sales and rentals are a big part of their income as well and that doesn't take that into account. In all honestly, I was hoping that they would be making less money. As of now they can say that their efforts are working because of the money they are bringing in. Box office receipts are not profits.
And what's wrong with "record profits"?
Profit means more movies will be made/financed, employing all of the highly skilled and rather well-compensated industry folk. What can be wrong with that? | |
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Chesterfield, MO | Same Old Problem Isn't this the same old problem of whether or not someone will buy if illegal copying was eliminated? I other words, it's great to claim billions are lost because of illegal copying but aren't those figures inflated and the true losses are much, much smaller than stated?
Granted -- a loss is a loss but nothing is ever perfect and most folks won't turn into thieves unless they feel justified. Of course some folks can justify any illegal action but most are happy to follow the rules as long as they don't feel shafted. In my opinion, the cost of traditional audio (CD) and video (DVD and especially Blu Ray) products is rather high in perspective to their perceived value. Audio CDs perhaps less so since it's common to get many repeated plays from music. But how often do we watch movies over and over and over again? And no -- I don't like limited-play DVD options. With today's HSI and cheap storage, we should be able to download what we want and play it as many times as we want.
Certainly buying tracks ala carte for ~$1 offers a great option to buying whole albums. If only the TV providers would follow this model. | |
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Camden, TN | Just one thing The music industry and Hollywood (which saw record profits (pdf) last year despite piracy)
Doesn't make priracy ok. That's like saying because wal-mart makes $300 billion a year it's ok to shoplift. Just because Bill Gates is worth $50 bil I can break into his house and steal his HDTV? Not like it's going to break him to get another one.
You can make an argument about how the studios need to change their ways without justifying theft because they dare make profits. | |
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It all really comes down to how the copyright holder feels about it.
What you decide to call it, really doesn't matter in the end.
When you are talking about downloading someones music, someones movie, someones hard work, in most cases, this is theft.
You can try to justify why you are being a thief, and your points might even be valid, but in the end, you still are a thief.
In the end, you have to live with yourself.
I will add, many things in this life, came about, in these ways.
History is our example. This very country, the United States of America, started out by breaking laws people felt were unjust.
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Camden, TN | Answer this Ok if piracy isn't theft because it's just digital and no REAL product is stolen then is it ok to sneak into a movie theater without paying as long as the movie theater is half empty thus you aren't taking away a seat from a paying customer? In either case no real product was stolen nor did you have any intention of paying for that movie either way.
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The issue with movie theaters is that the amount of effort required to sneak into one implies the person doing this likely would have bought a ticket if he couldn`t have snuck in. Digital copyright infringement on the other hand is incredibly easy. There`s a much smaller chance the downloader would have bought the product if he couldn`t have pirated.
Some studies have estimated that only 1 in every 5000 downloads is a lost sale. When you do the math you realize it`s not nearly as big an issue as the RIAA tries to make it out to be. | |
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| Circle of greed. It's funny reading on how angry the pirates are when reading about what the content industry does. They act outraged, and act like their ability to steal is a born right.
And of course the content industry likes to act like it's their born right to get as much money as possible, and steal from the artists.
I love reading how criminal scum twist things. The people who get screwed are the people who make the content and the people who buy legally. The pirates and the executives are both sides of the same coin; exactly the same type of scum. | |
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| | | | Re: Circle of greed. :\ How profound. Try reading better. | |
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| said by karlmarx:Yes, but if you get rid of the pirates, you cause global warming to go up. You must be some sort of right wing nut case republican nut case who wants to destroy the planet if you get rid of the pirates. I see you are touched by his noodley apendage | |
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| DRM.... It's not ONLY the PRICE that makes people go to piracy, it's DRM.
If I buy a U2 album, I want to be able to make a copy of it for the car, as the hot California summers will make the CD unusable if I happen to forget it on the front seat..... whereas a copy can just be thrown out and i'll make another copy. I also want to be able to play it on my mobile MP3 player, and put it on the harddrive of my Media Center so I can play it in the living room as part of a long playlist.
That said, it is likely I will actually buy a digital version of said album in the first place, but the same goes: Copy to regular CD for the car, copy on both the iPod and my livingroom Media Center.
And the same goes for movies. I don't have kids, but I can see that - for the same California sun reason as above - you will want to have a COPY of the kids DVD's in the back seat player instead of the original, and you will also want to put that movie on your mobile video player to keep the kids entertained during a cross-country flight.
People don't want to be nickled, dimed, and limited to the number of copies and what KIND of copies one can make of legally bought music.
People want to play a fair price for DRM free music. If there are too many limit, people will turn to piracy, and freeware programmers are making it increasingly more easy, and increasingly more private to do so.
The music and movie industry are where the American car industry was in the nineties, and quite frankly they continued to be stubborn all the way to the 2008 crisis where they had to beg for money from our taxes. They are clinging to the past, holding on to old profit models that no longer work, and they are slowly are being eaten alive by the ever growing pirates.
They CAN change however, and CAN survive as an industry, they just need a completely different strategy, and offer a fair price, a price people will want to pay in these days of economic struggles, without crippling it with DRM.
The freeware software authors for programs like uTorrent and others, are VERY, VERY close to locking down P2P to be completely anonymous and encrypted without sacrificing on usability, and only a little bit in speed (if any).
How this works is that all users have a small pool (a few hundred megs) of completely encrypted data, encrypted to such an extend that even the 15.000 servers in the Pentagon basement will need 3 months just to decrypt it, and where the user has no idea what it is uploading, nor can he ever have an idea of what he is uploading. Packets for the movie you want are routed through many different users, NONE of which actually have the movie in possession, or ever had it in possession, but are just passing through some encrypted data. Furthermore, the packets are masked and it is not known where they originated. Even the IP adresses where it came from are not know, as the last host it came from is nothing more then a "hop" or a "router" in the chain of P2P hosts that data is traveling to.
And yes.... transmitting encrypted data and passing it on is completely legal. The only way the entertainment industry will be able to do something against that is to ban encryption outright, which will effectively kill the online-transactions market, in other words: shopping online securely.
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1 edit | Everything is the ISPs' fault. You knew that, right? Of course, at the same time that Bono is claiming that ISPs are making scads of money from piracy (Oh, really? Show me the money, please!), the pirates are claiming that ISPs are making tons of money by not allowing pirates to use infinite amounts of bandwidth.
And to top it all off, DSL Reports blames ISPs for everything. Death, taxes, scurvy, and bad breath are all really caused by ISPs. Or so you'd think, reading the "news" stories on DSL Reports.
When I went into the business of being an ISP, I thought that people would appreciate the good I did for my customers and for the community. And, in fact, my customers generally do appreciate me (except for the would-be bandwidth hogs and abusers). But you wouldn't know it from what you see in the press, or on this site's front page.
Here's a novel idea: WHY NOT BLAME THE PIRATES FOR PIRACY, AND ARREST THEM?? | |
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| | --- Pirate? I could be labeled a Pirate. I download a movie, I watch the movie. If I like the movie, I go out and buy it. I dont download screeners, I personally think that is wrong.
Why do I do this? I feel I am justified. Commercials only show the best highlights and movies could suck huge king kong size %$^#'s. So why would I fork out $25-30 for a crappy movie and be stuck with that lemon. If I buy a car and its a lemon I get to take it back. This movie I cant. Every movie I have streamed and I have not liked it... Well it never has finished fully downloading.
Now on the other hand, "B" movies I would have never bought. Nor ever have been added to my collection, but due to my ability to download and watch it. Some "B" movies have made it there.
400 plus movies legally purchased and counting. Even seasons of shows, Simpsons, family guy, futurama, all current stargates and BSG. All sitting on my self displayed with pride.
Well, if I was not able to download and view these movies. Im sure my contribution to the MPAA companies. Would have been much less then what I have spent on my DvD's
But it seems some in here would call me a thief. Well if a thief is purchasing products based on a warrenty based on defective merchandise (or in my case "bad movies"). Then we are all thieves. | |
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1 edit | Re: --- Pirate? said by cpsycho:I could be labeled a Pirate. I download a movie, I watch the movie. If I like the movie, I go out and buy it. I dont download screeners, I personally think that is wrong. Why do I do this? I feel I am justified. Commercials only show the best highlights and movies could suck huge king kong size %$^#'s. So why would I fork out $25-30 for a crappy movie and be stuck with that lemon. If I buy a car and its a lemon I get to take it back. This movie I cant. Every movie I have streamed and I have not liked it... Well it never has finished fully downloading. Now on the other hand, "B" movies I would have never bought. Nor ever have been added to my collection, but due to my ability to download and watch it. Some "B" movies have made it there. 400 plus movies legally purchased and counting. Even seasons of shows, Simpsons, family guy, futurama, all current stargates and BSG. All sitting on my self displayed with pride. Well, if I was not able to download and view these movies. Im sure my contribution to the MPAA companies. Would have been much less then what I have spent on my DvD's But it seems some in here would call me a thief. Well if a thief is purchasing products based on a warrenty based on defective merchandise (or in my case "bad movies"). Then we are all thieves. I completely agree with you!
I wonder how many clothing stores would stay in business if they didn't allow women to try dresses on before they bought them-and also allow them to return the dresses for a full refund within a certain time? Why do they do this? because dresses look differently on a hanger and in a well lit store then they look at home. Why should buying a DVD movie or a CD be any different? If you buy a DVD and then hate the movie, why shouldn't you be allowed to take it back-or why shouldn't you have a specified time to try it? | |
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4 edits | The story of the Latkes...(potato pancakes) Here's an old story that I believe is quite relevant..and a rational answer..
A stone cutter was very poor-so poor that he could not afford to buy latkes at Hanukkah, but every day on the way home he stopped under the window of a rich man's house to smell his latkes, because the rich man's cook used to make latkes every day and cool them off near the open window.
One day the rich man caught the stonecutter under the window smelling his latkes. Crying foul, he loudly summoned the local Rabbi-attracting a crowd of people who stopped to see what the commotion was. The rich man demanded that he be compensated for the THEFT of the aroma of his latkes. The rabbi thought for a bit and then said: "I fine you one shekel". The stone cutter began to cry, because he didn't have even a single shekel, so the rabbi asked the people to help. They all searched their pockets and purses, coming up with small change that totalled a shekel. The rabbi put the coinage in a small bag. Smiling, the rich man grabbed for the bag. The rabbi then shook the bag, allowing the coins within to make a jingling noise. He then turned to the rich man and said: "There. You now have been fairly compensated for the smell of your latkes by the sound of one sheckel".
And the gave the money back to the townsfolk. | |
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Washington, DC | Re: The story of the Latkes...(potato pancakes) I'd forgotten that story, but it really hits it spot on. | |
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Forest Hills, NY | Here's the problem... Here's the problem - without people pirating - we don't get iTunes. The only reason iTunes (the store) comes about is because the music industry finally realizes they can't compete. Takes them forever to figure it out, but eventually it happens. Eventually they realize DRM doesn't work either. Now I am a customer.
I want to stream movies, I want to be able to take this weeks tv shows with me on a plane. I want to start MythBusters on my iPod and finish it on my tv when I walk in the door when I get home.
Bittorrent is a pain in the ass on the Mac, the java clients suck my whole system to the point I need another system just to run it, and it keeps losing my RSS feed. Give me a gmail experience for my videos - whatever device I pick up it's synced and ready to go and you can have my credit card. You'll eventually do it, you'll have to, so get with the program sooner than later and stop wasting everyone's time. | |
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| How come? How come patents (on actual property or software) are only 17 years (with the ability to renew for 17 more for a grand total of 34 years), while copyrights are for the life of the author plus 70 years?
Does it have somethng to do with a mouse that was created and copyrighted 20 years before I was born and who's copyright will still be in affect years after I die?
This is PLAIN WRONG!!! Copyrights are supposed to be TEMPORARY-NOT span MANY GENERATIONS!!! | |
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Red Herring for sale!
The last time the copyright control agencies had to admit that the reason for a reduction in sales is, that ITS THE ECONOMY STUPID was early in 1970. They music labels enemy number one was a company named Advent, that developed a version of the Philips Cassette Recorder capable of recording music with reasonable fidelity. Within a year or two other companies began to manufacture cassette recorders capable of recording high quality audio. That was when the ranting and raving started with the music labels claiming that home taping was destroying the music industry. What the music labels forgot to consider was the fact that the music they were producing was crap. When the music industry began measuring the quality of music by loudness level rather than skill of the musicians it was unlikely that home recording had effect on sales. The music industry screwed themselves, when the quality of their product could be recorded on a low quality recording technology like low resolution MP3 and not suffer. The Super Audio Compact Disc has gone no where and you almost never hear that an orchestra like the Boston POPS have recorded any recent popular music. This bologna about piracy is just an excuse for the music labels lousy music.
