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Comments on news posted 2010-01-11 12:21:49: Last summer, the Cleveland Plain Dealer noticed that Verizon was charging wireless customers a bizarre $1. ..

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Hazy Arc
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Huh?

It seems there is a different flavor of this same article every week.

morbo
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class action suit time

It really is class action lawsuit time. And who can blame Verizon? They don't want to give up 1.99/customer per month of pure profit no matter how many people complain. It will take legal action to force their hand. Greed is just too powerful.
NeoandGeo
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Re: Huh?

Apparently it needs more exposure. After 4 months of not getting the fee, it cropped up again on my newest bill. :|

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Re: class action suit time

said by morbo:

It really is class action lawsuit time.
A class action suit won't do squat.

Even if one was brought, the typical result will be the lawyers getting a huge winning, and Verizon giving coupons to the class for a discount on their next Verizon purchase, or something silly like a 3 cent credit on their next bill.
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So lawyers will get a lot of money and customers will get stuck with another "recoup" fee, which means that instead of some people getting charged 1.99, everyone will get charged.

guppy_fish
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Capitalism in action

What exactly is Verizon's downside to this ... So some home based writers make a blog ... Some news papers print an article, so the FCC stomps it feet like a two year old ... a big wet fat WHATEVER, they still collect the many millions, possibly hundreds of millions on the Fee's, so why exactly should they change?

They ( Verizon ) know exactly what they are doing, gaming the system, like every other single company out there, that's capitalism at its finest

spamd
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Raise rates?

Why can't they just raise the rates of your normal bill. Instead of having this fee separated out in plain sight. To me it just seems that Verizon is stabbing us in the gut then twisting the knife and laughing all the way to the bank.
NeoandGeo
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Re: class action suit time

But it would stop the practice more than likely. I don't care about getting money, I've been able to get a refund easier and easier each month after the first time I had to argue for almost an hour to get it taken off.

meh37II
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It's a shame, really...

that Alltel couldn't have bought out Verizon instead. (though it's just as likely that Verizon's "new math" would tend to infect any billing system using their "black box billing adjustment" modules)

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said by Dodge:

So lawyers will get a lot of money and customers will get stuck with another "recoup" fee, which means that instead of some people getting charged 1.99, everyone will get charged.
Let's see. Verizon isn't going to give up charging 1.99 to people without some kind of fight. Asking them nicely hasn't worked, and it's ethically and legally questionable on how and why they are doing this. What options are left? Say pretty please?

No one likes lawyers, but they serve a vital purpose. In this case, keeping the big guy honest. It will cost Verizon millions and they will have to --gasp-- be up front with customers about charges. Sure they may raise their rates, but they cannot sneak mystery charges onto bills with impunity.

Karl Bode
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Re: Huh?

It seems there is a different flavor of this same article every week.
Verizon keeps charging people $2 for doing nothing.
expert007
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If I were VZ Wireless....

At this point, I'd raise the fee to $20. Hell, no one seems to be doing anything real about it anyway.

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Re: class action suit time

said by pnh102:

said by morbo:

It really is class action lawsuit time.
A class action suit won't do squat.

Even if one was brought, the typical result will be the lawyers getting a huge winning, and Verizon giving coupons to the class for a discount on their next Verizon purchase, or something silly like a 3 cent credit on their next bill.
Agreed that the lawyers would win but hopefully it would bring more attention to the problem and thus force VZ to act to fix this
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said by morbo:

It really is class action lawsuit time. And who can blame Verizon? They don't want to give up 1.99/customer per month of pure profit no matter how many people complain. It will take legal action to force their hand. Greed is just too powerful.
While even I have my suspicions about Verizon's motivation sometimes, the $1.99 charge is clearly just incompetency manifested in their billing system, and is not considered a major problem by the corporation.
Eventually, it will be fixed, and reversing entries applied.
Consumers may be annoyed by it when they actually read their bill, but that's a small minority of the base, and the word is "annoyed", not "outraged".

Don't be so harsh on greed, either. Without it, you wouldn't have a paycheck.

hayabusa3303
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they just will change it to a admin fee on the bill and keep charging for it.

But by the sounds vz could careless about it.

TheBionic
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No VZW for me...

I thought long and hard about getting a droid when my current AT&T contract is up, but this has soured me on the whole company. You can't tell me they have no way of fixing this; they're just holding on until forced. Makes me sick.

haditnomo
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verizon is run by thieves

They are not going to stop this till someone from DOJ goes to verizon with a warrant for the arrest of one of these ceo's bottom line then you will see a complete stop to the theft because now it's theft before it was a error but now it's confirmed theft.
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Why?

Why go through so much drama? They should just increase their prices if they need more money.

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Re: class action suit time

said by elray:

Eventually, it will be fixed, and reversing entries applied.

Care to formalize this as a bet? $50 says this will never happen on its own. Meaning VZ is content to collect the $2/mo per customer knowing their billing system is broken; VZ will never automatically and willingly give those charges back to the countless customers that have complained and those that have not complained.

I disagree that it's a minority of the base and that the word is "annoyed" and not "outraged". The fact is that Verizon is stealing from customers each and every month.

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The thing is...

If they spend several more months collecting the fee before the class action lawsuit, they will have collected more than the lawyers will get. So it's a good deal for verizon.

FCC is a joke.

en102
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Regulatory recovery fee ?
Bob61571
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Why doesn't Verizon ask

the Verizon billing systems computer analysts how
this charge is triggered on customers' bills?

ciucca
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I worked for Bell Atlantic and Verizon

in previous jobs and I can tell you that they are the biggest money grubbing company in existence. They are like an unscrupulous car dealer who negotiates a price and then lists extra BS fees when the contract is signed.

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Re: verizon is run by thieves

You are 100% correct!

They still have the old mentality of nickel and dime ing their customers to death. The only way it will stop is if their business practices start costing them money. We all know how likely that is to happen. You can forget the government, they will do nothing.

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Re: class action suit time

said by pnh102:
said by morbo:

It really is class action lawsuit time.
A class action suit won't do squat.

Even if one was brought, the typical result will be the lawyers getting a huge winning, and Verizon giving coupons to the class for a discount on their next Verizon purchase, or something silly like a 3 cent credit on their next bill.
I agree, Verizon customers would be left to foot the bill to make a couple of lawyers rich. This is the job of the FCC. The problem is, aside from a strongly worded letter, they don't seem to want to do their job. Unless "must have ability to write strongly worded, official sounding letters and then wash your hands of the matter" is in their job description?

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They will lose in a Class Action Lawsuit and be forced to pay back every penny retroactively plus have a fine imposed, then they will just raise the rates to cover all the costs. The consumer just can't win.

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??? Not sure the argument here, or even that it is a botched billing system if you know something is screwed up and do nothing to fix it.

No their not greedy.. Right. Not sure why folks would want to stick with a company that is out to screw them, oh wait if we used that as a measuring stick no one would have a cell phone.

I think captialism works if we could get rid of the greedy bastards.

pnh102
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said by Matt3:

This is the job of the FCC. The problem is, aside from a strongly worded letter, they don't seem to want to do their job.
I would imagine there must be some law being broken here. We have so many laws that there has to be one that covers this. But you're right, a law is only meaningful if it is enforced.

I still take the position that any fees that are not the result of a government tax must be included in the advertised price of service, just like with any other purchase people make.
Fisamo
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Perhaps they just want $10+/mo protection money

Sign up for one of their mobile web 'packages' (you know, 25MB for $10/mo or 75MB for $20/mo), and the $1.99 mystery fees will go away.

My 'protection' clause is not available to anyone not grandfathered in--it's the America's Choice plan. Mobile web costs $5/mo (just to access) plus airtime. Since I don't pay the $5/mo, no mysterious $1.99 fee on my account.

Of course, there will come a time that I'll want a new phone, and the new phone will require the new plans... When that happens, I may well be looking at other providers.

Oh, btw--to those who say they escape this hassle by having an iPhone on AT&T, or don't want these hassles and wouldn't buy a Droid because of them... Any comparable phone (to Droid or iPhone) used on VZW network will require a data plan, so the $1.99 fee would not affect those customers. (Granted, from the tone of his post above, it appears thatTheBionic See Profile is reacting to the principle of VZW's not fixing the problem, not worry over being hit with the $1.99 fee himself.)
tired_runner
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Why does anyone use Verizon Wireless

... is beyond my grasp of understanding.

It's the network my ass...
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