| Horseshit. As I posted on Slashdot. Sandy Utah has no such speed available. Utopia isn't in Sandy and won't ever be in Sandy while the current councilmen and Mayor are in office. I have spoken to them about it, they are happy they voted it down years ago because Utopia is going to have to call in the sales tax commitment from member cities.
I live in Sandy, in one the heart of the city and these speeds do NOT exist. Sandy is not in Utopia, nor will it ever be. Akamia's entire paper is garbage if the city listed with the fastest internet doesn't even have such a speed. The highest speed possible in Sandy is what is available through Comcast, currently the 16Mbs plan, unless you buy your own direct DS3 or higher.
The report is garbage, I'm glad it got publicity though, for the publicity has pointed out that it's an unreliable piece of crap that isn't worth the paper it's printed on. |
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join:2002-07-22
Winterville, NC
kudos:2 | reply to Z80A
Re: That isn't what is available said by Z80A:No it's not. I mean that people are quite content with bottom tier offerings because there are so many other sources of information and entertainment in the States. Wow, you speak for us all, do you? Reminds me of someone else on this site.
So, back up your bold claims.
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That's exactly my first thought. How many people have scaled back their internet speeds in an effort to save money? I have several friends who scaled back their speeds in an effort to save money but still keep HSI. Let's look at this again when the economy is fully recovered in 2-3 years. You'll see a different tune from normal Americans. No offense, but anyone on BBR is not a normal broadband user. I'd consider BBR users to be power users who will sacrifice elsewhere to maintain higher speeds when faced with a budget shortfall at home. |
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Re: It's not that bad... To mitigate the capital expenditure costs of individual companies, and propagate the expansion of high speed internet services what should happen is the state should take over the pipes, tax payers pay for expansion, maintenance and future upgrades while the ISPs lease the lines from the State. It provides a level playing field for the ISPs to compete on without directly incurring capital expenditure costs. This also allows new entrants to offer services driving down the cost of the service.
The only way I can see the expansion of fiber to continue at its current rate sustainably (or even accelerate) is for someone big who doesn't have to answer to shareholders to take over.
Afterall we entrusted the state to build the national railway network and highway network now the future is the infrastructure required for carrying the internet.
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | reply to rahvin112
Re: Horseshit. Are there any web hosts who call your city home? That's what appears to be the issue in a few US cities. |
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Re: That isn't what is available Delaware and New Jersey are the armpit of America ! |
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Don't know if you understand how the akamai network works , but these are measures to an akamai pop. So if they have gig fiber or 100 mbit links it doesn't matter if the pop or links to the akamai pop are congested enough to only allow so much data flow.
Knowing akamai as well as I do, I understand the spin they throw out there a bit better. We often took this with a grain of salt , akamai does not have a pop in every country and can only measure the hits on their equipment.
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| said by BosstonesOwn:Don't know if you understand how the akamai network works , but these are measures to an akamai pop. So if they have gig fiber or 100 mbit links it doesn't matter if the pop or links to the akamai pop are congested enough to only allow so much data flow. Knowing akamai as well as I do, I understand the spin they throw out there a bit better. We often took this with a grain of salt , akamai does not have a pop in every country and can only measure the hits on their equipment. You don't sound like you know much at all about how Akamai works with when you dumb things like "but these are measures to an akamai pop." Nope, that's not how Akamai works. Anyway there is no better way or any other company in the world better positioned for this type of data. |
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Re: Horseshit. said by rahvin112:As I posted on Slashdot. Sandy Utah has no such speed available. Utopia isn't in Sandy and won't ever be in Sandy while the current councilmen and Mayor are in office. I have spoken to them about it, they are happy they voted it down years ago because Utopia is going to have to call in the sales tax commitment from member cities. I live in Sandy, in one the heart of the city and these speeds do NOT exist. Sandy is not in Utopia, nor will it ever be. Akamia's entire paper is garbage if the city listed with the fastest internet doesn't even have such a speed. The highest speed possible in Sandy is what is available through Comcast, currently the 16Mbs plan, unless you buy your own direct DS3 or higher. The report is garbage, I'm glad it got publicity though, for the publicity has pointed out that it's an unreliable piece of crap that isn't worth the paper it's printed on. I read the slashdot comments too, and there were a few people explaining the innaccuracies as the result of Akamai not being able to localize their data to individual cities properly. You`re just being irrationally angry.
More importantly, could you explain what you`re referring to when you say "sales tax commitment" for UTOPIA member states?
And while maybe the councilmen and mayor are happy, I`m pretty darn sure the residents wouldn`t be happy if they understood what they were being deprived of. |
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Re: Some people really are downgrading due to the economy. said by SuperWISP:I'm an ISP, and I'm getting the calls: "Can we just downgrade to the "economy" plan? It's fast enough for us." Really? That would explain why DSL providers are still hemorrhaging customers to cable, and why they`re bothering to upgrade to FTTN or FTTH, how?
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It's also worth noting that while ISPs are increasing capacity, demand for bandwidth is outstripping the amount that ISPs can afford to invest in infrastructure because consumers refuse to pay more to get more. We have lots of users who expect us to make things faster as the bandwidth demands of applications increase, but do not want to pay any more for the higher speeds. This even though our cost per Mbps has gone up a bit, not down, during the past year.
I`m having trouble understanding your claims.
Do you have any actual data to prove that the cost of increasing capacity of networks is outripping the amount that ISPS have to invest? And aren`t consumers willing to pay more for higher speed tiers?
People are willing to pay more for higher-speed tiers. That`s the way every ISP system works. |
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Re: It's not that bad... said by KingKuei6:I'm paying $78/month for Comcast's DOCSIS 3 tier from which I get 22mbps/5mbps on non-PowerBoosted state (30/10 when PB is active), which I don't think is necessarily unreasonable given the capabilities that the speed provides for. Personally,
Paying $78 for ANY internet speed is stupid!! Granted, I know if you want to go faster, you pay more, but if you're so greedy you have to start paying THAT much for internet, that's beyond my reasoning capabilities!
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Oxford, MI
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Sure ..my UVerse 6Meg access gives me 5.7 Meg to my AT&T network connection point .. then my speed tests beyond that drop off by over 50% !!!!
I had EarthLink 1.5 Meg DSL for $29.95/mo.
Now I have AT&T 6Meg DSL for $35.00/mo.
It seems the faster the access line, the more you pay and the less you actually get across the Internet for the speed you think your paying for !!
It's very obvious to me ..that the overall Internet infrastructure really SUCKS and can not keep up with demand !
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Re: It's not that bad... And no offense, but you basically fit into the average population of a provider's subscriber base. If your sense of reasonable price is say $30/month, then that's what the providers have to target. If that means providing 3.0mbps max, then that's what you'll get. There are others who are paying $100-$130 for even faster connections. Verizon DSL meets your needs; fine. Perhaps you don't have any uses for a faster pipe, but others do. That doesn't make us greedy, it just means that we have applications or content that require it, such as 3-way video conferencing, large batch uploads, VOIP, etc.
Let's face it though. You can go get 56k dial up for $5 a month. It takes you to the same Internet, right? Why not just pay for that instead of whatever you're paying now: $13, $20, $30+ for DSL? But obviously webpages are no longer just static lines of text with cheesy clip art graphics. Now it's rich content with images and videos and ads. So you needed a faster pipe, because waiting 78 seconds for the NYTimes to load on 56k is painful when it might take just a few seconds on a faster connection. Waiting 1 hour to download a program like Adobe Acrobat is probably not an experience worth having on 56k. So you see, at some point content will necessitate the need for a bigger pipe. The hope is that BEFORE that happens, those faster pipes will have already made it to the average consumer at a price point that they average consumer is willing to pay.
But my point was that the service providers are EXPECTED to provide this service, but the marginal revenue generated from lower cost services, means that they need wide user adoption in order to recoup and offset the massive costs of infrastructure development. But content is moving far quicker than infrastructure at this point, and I was simply trying to drive in the issue of sustainability of the current business model. At some point, something major is going to have to change if we're to keep up. |
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 fuziwuziNot born yesterdayPremium
join:2005-07-01
Atlanta, GA | double-speak Maybe everyone is now getting "packet prioritized" and it just seems slower  |
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 Z80APremium
join:2009-11-23 | reply to gatorkram
Re: That isn't what is available dslreports.com/archive doesn't lie. People buy what they buy. If they want faster speeds they can easily get them for only a few dollars more than the tiers they're on.
Unless you can prove otherwise. |
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ncbillPremium
join:2007-01-23
Winston Salem, NC | reply to wolverine_99
I'm helping a number of neighbors switch from cable broadband ($50/month) to AT&T's new DSL promo ($25/month for 12 months).
Most here in my neighborhood are only provisioning at 3MB, but at half the price of cable it's worth it to them. |
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2. Banking meltdown.
3. Government run by corrupt officials.
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Re: That isn't what is available Worked there with engineers for awhile , akamai captures data based on their locations , the database is huge and yes I worked with it.
These are speed measures dependent on who hits the closest akamai server. And it averages out how much data a particular region uses on average. This measures how much data leaves each server and is averaged out based on each pop in the region where the servers lay.
I worked there and worked with the data. I may have phrased it to simplistic for your mind ?
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