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Comments on news posted 2010-01-22 16:01:21: Buried under the roar of the media's obsession with Apple's looming tablet computer this week was a tiny little story about an agency you might have heard about (the FBI) repeatedly breaking the law by faking terrorism emergencies in order to get pho.. ..

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33358088 (banned)
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nixonized usa

seems to me the mafia really is running the usa, just as nixon days
see how that turned out near its end

the protests?
watergate
vietnam war

see any similarities?

they just made it legal now.....
maybe they should make prostitution legal so presidents can ya know clinton them....of course just for him....
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It will be mere minutes

until TK Junkmail posts his usual 'as long as you're doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about' mantra.
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Re: nixonized usa

Hoax and Chains


FFH5
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AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks

I just see an organization that was determined to help the US defend itself against terrorists after the 9/11 attacks. And if all the paperwork was sometimes delayed and not all the i's dotted and t's crossed, I am ok with that.

winsyrstrife
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What has to happen

before enough is enough? When do we draw the line? When is someone held accountable? When does someone acknowledge a conscience?

So vile.

jjoshua
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Obama = Bush

No change here.

anonuser101

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lol!!!

Nothing new here lol about AT&T!!!

JunjiHiroma
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Coming soon to canada this year

Soon The RCMP will be doing this soon then the headline will be:
Bell Repeatedly Helped RCMP Break Communications Law.

Free Speech and Consumer Choice is Fading fast.Soon we will have NO VOICE.
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broken

Breaking the laws in order to enforce them is wrong.

Ends don't justify means.

Big brother loves you.

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For the 'general public', I agree.
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said by amungus:

Breaking the laws in order to enforce them is wrong.
But, did they break the law?

18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(a)(ii)(B) was the law of the land. And, it was the basis for so-called "immunity" which covered actions between 9/11 and when FISA was amended by the Patriot Act to better accommodate the President's claimed needs.

Basically, we were in a period where, legally, all the President had to do is say "no warrant is necessary." No proof to anyone that that was true.

Mark
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Broken record...

Steve
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Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks

said by FFH5:

I just see an organization that was determined to help the US defend itself against terrorists after the 9/11 attacks. And if all the paperwork was sometimes delayed and not all the i's dotted and t's crossed, I am ok with that.
Here, let me fix this for you:
I do not believe in the rule of law

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I remember when AT&T actually stood up for its customers rights. I remember when AT&T followed the letter of the law instead of rolling over when ever the govt. asked.

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Free Speech Dead

soon? nope, we don't have a voice NOW.

Jan. 21: Prof. Jonathan Turley discusses whether the Supreme Court decision on special interests will split the free speech community and lead to bad government.
»www.msnbc.msn.com/id/303 ··· 34984956
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Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks

said by Jim Kirk:

said by FFH5:

I just see an organization that was determined to help the US defend itself against terrorists after the 9/11 attacks. And if all the paperwork was sometimes delayed and not all the i's dotted and t's crossed, I am ok with that.
In many cases the FBI never got subpoenas, and therefore broke the law. You are trolling.
What required the FBI to get supoeneas? Are you ignoring the role of 18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(a)(ii)(B)?

Also, don't forget 18 U.S.C. 2702(a)(3) & (c). It recognizes telcos legitimate participation with law enforcement due to exigent circumstances.

And, that law was even broadened by the Patriot Act. Instead of a "reasonable belief" in "imminent danger," it was changed to merely "good faith belief" in danger (not imminent.).

That and how 2511 was used as the basis of so-called "immunity" goes a long way to prove that the Executive branch was acting judiciously during that period between 9/11 and amendment of FISA via the Patriot Act.

If the Executive wasn't, those laws wouldn't have been expanded and used the way they were.

Mark

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Re: What has to happen

There is no such thing as enough.

I hope that we have wiretaps installed in EVERY home, condo, apartment etc. to the point that we have to check in to take a shower, brush teeth, normal day activities.

Also, since the FBI checks out various websites and such, there should be a COUNTRY WIDE curfew at 8 pm.

I mean, it's all in the name of safety and national security.
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Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks

said by FFH5:

I just see an organization that was determined to help the US defend itself against terrorists after the 9/11 attacks. And if all the paperwork was sometimes delayed and not all the i's dotted and t's crossed, I am ok with that.
I see an organization that was determined to help itself to heaps of taxpayer money (you know they were paid for this, don't you?)

I also see someone who can't RTFA.

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I remember when AT&T actually stood up for its customers rights. I remember when AT&T followed the letter of the law instead of rolling over when ever the govt. asked.
Really? When was that?
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I remember when AT&T followed the letter of the law instead of rolling over when ever the govt. asked.
But, they did follow the law.

1. The Executive Branch possesses an inherent power of surveillance.

2. The Legislative Branch is co-equal to the Executive. It cannot legislate away the Executive's power. It can only create a framework (FISA) for the Executive to operate within, without impeding the Executive's power.

3. The Executive retains the power to conduct surveillance which the framework (FISA) does not accommodate.

4. 18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(a)(ii)(B) is a recognition of that power, and how FISA wasn't intended to be everything.

5. That law was the basis of so-called immunity. Even if there had been any doubt about Congress's intent concerning that law, such doubts were eliminated when Congress said telcos were immune from prosecution if they adhered to that law (only between 9/11 and passage of the Patriot Act to better provide for new circumstances).

If you don't like the law, then you should work to get it repealed. If you don't like that the balance of powers between the Executive and Legislative is imperfect, you should work to call a Constitutional Convention to rewrite the Constitution.

All I hear are people complaining that, essentially, an imperfect system *worked*.

Mark

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Are you also OK with the supposed paperwork not even existing?

It's not a matter of not dotting i's and crossing t's in this case. It's a matter of outright violation of the law. Those agents who played a role in this should find themselves in prison wearing some black and white stripes. And hopefully they will be readily identified and introduced to all the other prisoners as FBI agents too.

And their cronies at AT&T, as well as those from the Bush administration who helped and those from the Obama administration who are still helping, should find themselves sitting in jail for this as well. Perhaps if consequences for breaking the law were enforced there would be less lawbreaking.
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Well, if you live in the constitution free zone, you don't really have any consititutional rights anyway...

»www.aclu.org/national-se ··· ree-zone

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Here we go

"developing systems that would not only hand over data on the initial target, but entire "communities of interest" that is very scary, so instead of plain old racial profiling now we are going to be profiling every US citizen based on where we surf,who we talk to,looks like orwell's book's are coming true.On a side note it seems are government is bent on pissing us off but they seem to forget what happened in the 1700's,we kicked the British out and if this keeps up i think it's time for a reboot of our great govt.

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This guy will some how make it legal and ok.

John Yoo

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Yoo

»www.thedailyshow.com/wat ··· oo-pt--1

»www.thedailyshow.com/wat ··· oo-pt--2

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Re: Free Speech Dead

I think this all leads from cass sunstiens (Obama's info Czar) report where America should HAVE no free speech on the web and truthers & gun owners be locked up.
quote:
"A system of limitless individual choices, with respect to communications, is not necessarily in the interest of citizenship and self-government," he wrote. "Democratic efforts to reduce the resulting problems ought not be rejected in freedom's name."
What happens in the states and UK ,happens in Canada shortly after.

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Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks

said by Jim Kirk:

Really? When was that?
In a drug induced coma fantasy.
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