  gatorkramKaBOOM BabyPremium
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| Crack down Yeah, what do you bet, this has more to do with piracy and knowing who owns what IP, than it has to do with "stealing" cable internet service.
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America | Re: Crack down Interesting perspective, but I personally doubt it...
Sounds like this guy (and the others) were relatively visible targets. | |
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Albany, GA | This has everything to deal with those that are stealing a service they didn't pay for, and making a buck to help more steal it.
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| Re: Crack down said by rstrandb:This has everything to deal with those that are stealing a service they didn't pay for, and making a buck to help more steal it. The problem I have with the FBI cracking down on these guys is that, from previous topics, it sounds like cable companies can't or won't secure their own network to detect rogue users.
If that's true, it looks like they've pushed the cost of such a business model onto society.
It's hard for me to get worked up about cable companies losing services to leachers when they don't seem to do anything proactive to detect leachers and boot them. They expect society to prevent the information about how cable works, and it's vulnerabilities?
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| | | rstrandbCrazy like a foxPremium
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Albany, GA | Re: Crack down said by amigo_boy:said by rstrandb:This has everything to deal with those that are stealing a service they didn't pay for, and making a buck to help more steal it. The problem I have with the FBI cracking down on these guys is that, from previous topics, it sounds like cable companies can't or won't secure their own network to detect rogue users. If that's true, it looks like they've pushed the cost of such a business model onto society. It's hard for me to get worked up about cable companies losing services to leachers when they don't seem to do anything proactive to detect leachers and boot them. They expect society to prevent the information about how cable works, and it's vulnerabilities? Mark So arresting law breakers is a bad thing? How much money did they garner from their illegal activities?
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Also this is only rounding up the criminally stupid.....advertising that you are breaking the law is not the best way of avoiding interest. Concentrating more of our tax dollars on violent or higher cost crime would seem to be more effective use. | |
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japan | said by rstrandb:said by amigo_boy:said by rstrandb:This has everything to deal with those that are stealing a service they didn't pay for, and making a buck to help more steal it. The problem I have with the FBI cracking down on these guys is that, from previous topics, it sounds like cable companies can't or won't secure their own network to detect rogue users. If that's true, it looks like they've pushed the cost of such a business model onto society. It's hard for me to get worked up about cable companies losing services to leachers when they don't seem to do anything proactive to detect leachers and boot them. They expect society to prevent the information about how cable works, and it's vulnerabilities? Mark So arresting law breakers is a bad thing? How much money did they garner from their illegal activities? well.. How do you think law enforcement would react if a luxury car dealership left their cars on a open lot with the keys in the ignition, with only a few guards to look after the place.
Guards told them that they would have some of their cars stolen, but they couldn't bother to upgrade their security cause the cost of a few stolen cars is less than the cost of getting proper security.
I'm sure law enforcement would not react the same way. | |
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Albany, GA | Re: Crack down said by Warez_Zealot:well.. How do you think law enforcement would react if a luxury car dealership left their cars on a open lot with the keys in the ignition, with only a few guards to look after the place. Guards told them that they would have some of their cars stolen, but they couldn't bother to upgrade their security cause the cost of a few stolen cars is less than the cost of getting proper security. I'm sure law enforcement would not react the same way. Apple to oranges. You're equating a service provided to real property. Also, as has been pointed out it takes a lot of hacking to make the modem fool the network into issuing an IP address. This isn't a victimless crime....crime drives up the cost of service for all of us. These guys are dirtbags and deserve the penalties they pay.
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Saint Louis, MO | Re: Crack down rstrandb
It takes about ten minutes to grab a usable profiles off of another head end (the same two macs cannot run on the same head end at the same time). It does NOT take a lot of hacking or anybody with specialized knowledge to use a hacked modem(just as difficult as installing a new driver). It really does not drive up the cost of service significantly either (which is why the ISPs just ignore them). While the ISPs could prevent a single mac from being used twice (system wide) they do not do so becuase of the cost benefit ratio.
I think it is highly likely that someone other than the ISPs was the reason behind the FBI doing this. The FBI needs to go after criminals who actually causing real harm. This is not entirely their fault, after 911 the white collar crime division was virtually stripped of all personnel (reassigned to terrorist watch). It has just been in the last year (or so) that a significant amount of personnel has been reassigned to this section (due to Madoff?). | |
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| said by rstrandb:said by Warez_Zealot:well.. How do you think law enforcement would react if a luxury car dealership left their cars on a open lot with the keys in the ignition, with only a few guards to look after the place. Guards told them that they would have some of their cars stolen, but they couldn't bother to upgrade their security cause the cost of a few stolen cars is less than the cost of getting proper security. I'm sure law enforcement would not react the same way. Apple to oranges. You're equating a service provided to real property. Also, as has been pointed out it takes a lot of hacking to make the modem fool the network into issuing an IP address. This isn't a victimless crime....crime drives up the cost of service for all of us. These guys are dirtbags and deserve the penalties they pay. While I agree these guys are dumb a$$ dirtbags, I also agree that if the cable co knows there are some holes that need closed they should do it. To me it ain't no different then the local country fair putting signs on their windows facing the parking lot telling customers to shut their car off, take the keys and lock the doors. There is actually some penalties for leaving your car running if your car gets stole. Granted its apples to oranges due to one being an actual peice of property that you lose if its taken and the other just a lost sale more or less, the same principle applies. Quit using our public tax dollars and services to provide a for-profit business with security. To me it would be the same if the local mini mart was provided with a couple local cops for free instead of having to hire their own security guards...makes about as much sense. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Crack down nowadays you dont need to even reprogram an access card to steal dish or DTV for that matter, with the advent of the internet, its called card-sharing, and its available and about 7 FTA receivers, you load in 3 party firmware, plug your FTA receiver into an Ethernet connection, or configure wireless connection give the box a minute to connect to the card server, and your getting free Dish Or DTV. If there is a service someone wants badly enough they will find a way to get it for free. Yea the boot process does use the mac auth, but they still hacked the modems for free service, and they do work, I've seen these modems in action when i worked for a cable company, I've also seen the process of hacking them to work with out being put in the CMTS, and uncapping, you only have to use 2 programs, that run under windows and you can configure your modem to access the network. its so simple, that a 50 year old could do it. I was going to put 12 year old, but we all know most 12 year olds are who are figuring stuff out these days. | |
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| | | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | Really? It's hard for you to get worked up about theft???
This is network hacking.. they're stealing access and as long as there are laws on the books, they need to enforce them.
It has NOTHING to do with cable companies wanting to defer theft to um, law enforcement... it has everything to do with people breaking the law.
I assume that in your eyes that if someone steals a car from a car lot, that the lot should do more to secure their cars? I assume that if you steal a TV from a store, the store should do more to stop theft? I assume that if someone breaks into your house and kills someone in your family you should do more to secure your house?
Get real on this one Amigo...
Law enforcement is enforcing the laws as requested and required.. period. I'm sorry, but I find your post a load of donkey dung.
You, being on this site, should know just as anyone else where.. you can secure your network all day long but there is a constant war between hackers and network operators.. nothing is 100% secure nor will it ever be.
I think you need to seriously re-check yourself.. your post is pretty clearly another "I hate cable, so screw them.. this is their fault"... kind of post.
I have NO patience for thieves one bit.. they know that hacking a modem is wrong.. period. And, besides, if this is no big issue, the fact remains, ... someone who steals a dollar will likely steal $10.. they are then likely to steal $100 and more.. so where does it stop? Simple... don't break the law.. and hacking into a network, which this is, for access (which circumvents the system - ie: hacking) is illegal. They break the law, and law enforcement did their job. Good for them! | |
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| | | | | | Re: Crack down I have a problem with the FBI wasting valuable resources on tracking a cable modem hacker and not doing a better job of securing the USA. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: Crack down said by CatchingSpy:I have a problem with the FBI wasting valuable resources on tracking a cable modem hacker and not doing a better job of securing the USA. Well, that's your problem.. nothing in life is perfect.. on 9/11, box cutters was all it took to bring down buildings and airplanes and hurt the country..
You don't know what "valuable" means in these cases... hackers and people like this USUALLY don't stop at just small stuff.. and, it's the FBI's job to enforce the law.. Sorry, it's not a waste.. and who are you to say what is and isn't valuable resources? I suppose by your accord that the FBI should spend all their time securing the USA? .. they're already doing that... when was the last attack? You have no idea what all goes on in the background; things you DON'T hear about..
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Anchorage, AK | Re: Crack down 12 Mbps = 1.5 MBps
2 Mbps = 256 kBps
You are probably getting exactly what you are paying for. Service is sold in bits and downloads are described in bytes. Divide bits by 8 and you get bytes. | |
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| | | | | Re: Crack down what are you talking about, i get 7/1 from verizon dsl, and on a s speed test i get 6000 to 6800/600 to 800 which is 6/6 or 6.8/8 If you pay for 12/2 service you should be getting at least 10/1.5 im pretty sure anyone using these forums knows how to use the speed tests, however still i cant believe the service is that slow when advertised so high id like to see those speed tests. | |
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2 edits | Re: Crack down Speedtests are also done in bits, whereas normal download programs report in bytes.
For example, my home connection is 12/1 Mbps. That means that I can download at 12 megabits per second, or 1.5 megabyte per second. The fastest I'll see in a browser while downloading a file is 1.5 MBps, which is exactly what I'm paying for.
I really wish the world would standardize on one form of measure: either the bit or the byte. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Crack down It will never happen since the advertising misleads you into thinking you get more than you actually do. Just look at how the marketing droids have gotten you to use kebi instead of kilo. Thats not right. Computers have always been based on powers of 2 (thus 1024 instead of 1000). Trying to make things decimal here only leads to deliberate obfuscation. | |
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Brookline, MA | Re: Crack down said by puddleglum :
It will never happen since the advertising misleads you into thinking you get more than you actually do. Just look at how the marketing droids have gotten you to use kebi instead of kilo. Thats not right. Computers have always been based on powers of 2 (thus 1024 instead of 1000). Trying to make things decimal here only leads to deliberate obfuscation.
I think it's just that each sector of the industry has its own traditional measure, and can't change because it would confuse customers. CDs are sold using power-of-two units, but are incorrectly labeled with power-of-ten units, so a "700 MB" CD is actually 700 MiB which is larger. On the other hand, DVDs use power-of-ten units, so a 4.7 GB DVD is exactly that.
I think the solution is that whenever powers-of-two are meant, the extra "i" should be used in writing the size. If everyone did that, the ambiguity would be gone, since a size without the "i" would always mean power-of-ten. Computer people could pronounce the sizes in the old way if they want (for example pronounce MiB as "megabyte") as long as it's written correctly.
BTW not all computer hardware is based on powers-of-two, for example AFAIK there is no good reason to use powers of two for hard drive sizes, or networking speeds. | |
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| |  TzaleProud Libertarian ConservativePremium
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NYC Metro | said by CatchingSpy:I wonder IF the FBI will seize comcast for selling me services that do not exist, nor have I never received. Like the 12/2 I have never gotten anywhere near 12 down, I may occasionally get close to 1 meg down, best up 284! What does this have to do with this thread? You probably signed a contract that didn't promise any service level near what you are claiming.
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| | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | said by CatchingSpy:I wonder IF the FBI will seize comcast for selling me services that do not exist, nor have I never received. Like the 12/2 I have never gotten anywhere near 12 down, I may occasionally get close to 1 meg down, best up 284! Maybe you should stop being silly and get them to either repair their end/part of the service.. you repair your own part of the service that may be affecting your speeds (you wouldn't believe how many times I've run into bad crap IN the home that caused speed issues as well as being a problem of the provider be it cable or dsl) or maybe you should read your agreement that states that advertised speeds can been affected by many factors - which is true in ANY network environment including corporate LANs... etc.
Or.. maybe you should cancel your service and remind comcast that they can't provide the service, if it's truly on their end, which is may very well be... but why do YOU put up with it? Instead, you post silly things which ultimately are tit-for-tat and far from cutesie.... | |
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| | | | | Re: Crack down I have been complaining for years, Comcast has tried but never fix the download or upload speeds. The big problem, I don't have a choice of cable companies to choose from! | |
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kudos:3 | Re: Crack down said by CatchingSpy:I have been complaining for years, Comcast has tried but never fix the download or upload speeds. The big problem, I don't have a choice of cable companies to choose from! That's all fine and dandy.. very few people have a choice between "cable" companies.. there are often DSL options as well... but, the service problems, even as you try to draw a comparison to this article, are irrelevant.... Your service issues can be resolved with the correct effort.. it does suck that you're having those problems and I'd be upset as well.. but, the situation you're talking about is not a criminal one.. if that was the case, every single 6oz candy bar that was only 5.9oz sold would be a criminal event as well.
This is off topic, but there is a comcast direct forum here and reps that you can talk to.. you should try that. | |
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Porter Ranch, CA | My Tax Dollars go to capture a so called "thief" The FBI needs to concentrate on matters of national security, instead of wasting my hard earned tax money. | |
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Also, I wonder if the FBI gets a list of his customers to turn over to the cable companies for investigation. There might be some customers getting large bills and/or threats of prosecution too. | |
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| amungusPremium
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| Re: Cable modem hackers advertising are just asking for it (I've read that) The cable companies can fine you for theft of any sort of service.
More likely that they just send a tech out to cut them off completely and force them to sign up for service.
Guess I see it as either they fine you directly, or "play nice" by just cutting the line, then wait patiently for somebody to sign up. Would bet that this is kind of a "one time only" sort of deal, if they're in a good mood, etc... | |
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| |  jester121Premium
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Lake Zurich, IL | Re: Cable modem hackers advertising are just asking for it Companies don't "fine" people. They can sue you or file charges. | |
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| | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | said by amungus:More likely that they just send a tech out to cut them off completely and force them to sign up for service. .. and the sky will open up, the sun will shine, and the birds will sing.. and all will be well..
People who go to this length to hack modems are also people who will climb poles or break open peds to hook themselves up too.. it happens ALL the time.. For a full year, I constantly would visit a guy on a daily basis and disconnect his house only for him to hook himself back up.. I finally pulled the drop OUT of the ground only for him to put a new one in himself... it finally took the Sheriff to come out, give him a ride downtown to speak to a nice man in a black robe who gave him written permission to stop it AND gave him a nice, private, secure room to think about it as well.
Yea.. "play nice" and just cut them off.. it doesn't work that way all the time and rarely in these cases.. sorry... maybe in a perfect world.
The ONLY way you get people to not break the law and pull this kinda crap is to hit them where it hurts.. either their wallet or their freedom... to be honest, there shouldn't be a need for law enforcement ANYWAY.. but the truth remains that there are people that don't believe the laws apply to them... | |
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| | | said by fAcEtIOUs:When they start advertising on the internet how they can help you steal service(and not just some pamphlet about how to do it yourself) and actually sell modified cable modems, they are saying "come and get me" to the FBI. It is an easy conviction. Also, I wonder if the FBI gets a list of his customers to turn over to the cable companies for investigation. There might be some customers getting large bills and/or threats of prosecution too. Duh.
If I had that kind of knowledge, I would NEVER sell a modified cable modem.
Instead: I would give them away for "educational use" and/or sell instructions on how to mod your own.
In fact that would be, arguably, legal to post instructions on how to do it. We have sites that list exploits (ie how to hack into a computer and do malicious things) and virus code. I'm pretty sure if the FBI could, they would take down those exploit sites before they go after the cable modem modders.
Also, I would never BUY a modded cable modem, but the young kid who sold it to me probably kept my address somewhere and the FBI will come a' knockin'. | |
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|  sivranBack to Opera againPremium
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kudos:1 | Re: Pron Or, you know, just plain getting free service. Or faster speeds on existing service.
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| Friend Who bought one I have a friend who bought one for wave and CC and the one for wave did not work like he expected. It did not make his connection faster or did not do what it was supposed to do. I don't know if CC did. I refuse to use hacked stuff. Its not the right thing to do.
I hope that all this stuff stops. It will when all the providers offer the services at a FAIR PRICE.
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| Re: Friend Who bought one I hope that all this stuff stops. It will when all the providers offer the services at a FAIR PRICE.
It won't stop then, either. As long as these guys can steal service of any value, they will keep doing it. Once a thief, always a thief. In our town, a police captain earning 165K/yr was busted recently for stealing a package of hot dogs from a supermarket. | |
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| | TzaleProud Libertarian ConservativePremium
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NYC Metro | Re: Friend Who bought one said by smw315:I hope that all this stuff stops. It will when all the providers offer the services at a FAIR PRICE. It won't stop then, either. As long as these guys can steal service of any value, they will keep doing it. Once a thief, always a thief. In our town, a police captain earning 165K/yr was busted recently for stealing a package of hot dogs from a supermarket. Many times thieves suffer from OCD type symptoms that make them steal.
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kudos:1 | said by smw315: In our town, a police captain earning 165K/yr was busted recently for stealing a package of hot dogs from a supermarket. What a jackass......
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kudos:3 | said by AD7BK:I hope that all this stuff stops. It will when all the providers offer the services at a FAIR PRICE. No it won't... to some people, a "fair price" is no price at all.. some people believe that if you can take something for free and not get caught, then they're getting a fair price.. That's the sad thing... I don't care if there is a corp, a private business, or just a regular joe, there is always going to be someone that is an opportunistic just waiting to take from someone else.. on any level, it's not right. And, I'm glad in this case that an example is going to be made of him.
I just can't wait for the next story to come out in a while talking about his conviction or penalty and how many people will rush to his defense and say that "it's too much.. it's just $40 a month service!!"
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kudos:2 | Re: Doesn't everyone feel safer now? I'm continually amazed that law enforcement is bashed for doing their job and arresting alleged criminals. After all, theft of service is a crime and these guys were flaunting their indiscretions openly. | |
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join:2005-03-19 | Re: Doesn't everyone feel safer now? i had good bandwidth to begin with. thanks AT&T (i will never thank them again. i promise)
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kudos:5 | Who'da figured it? A whole bunch of cable-modding youtube videos have been removed. "This video has been removed by the user."
Yeah, right..... It was voluntary. 
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Beaverton, OR | Re: Who'da figured it? I find it hillarious that all these hacking vids on youtube have techno music in the background.
It works for me, but its a bit pretentious, don't ya think? | |
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Delorey sold such hacked modems to various customers, including a customer in Bronx, New York.
Yup, that's how Bronxnites do. Always looking for a free ride. lolz | |
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is showing in a video how to modify a piece of electronics illegal?
is owning a modified piece of electronics illegal?
or should it just be using a piece of modified electronics illegal?
shouldn't the sharing of information, such as modifying, protected under the 1st Amendment?
selling, instructing, and owning is not theft of service. nor should the FBI shove its 'dirty harry' nose in Big Business until an actual crime has been committed.
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| | stealing is wrong whether or not cable companies can or cannot secure their networks is not the point
stealing is wrong
imagine someone owns a house, imagine that person leaving their door open, that does not give the right for someone to walk in and steal from them.
also, theives hurt the rest of the people who are honest and are paying. how the costs of the service is not being shared by theose stealing it.
i like my broadband internet, especially when im downloading the latest video game at lighting fast speeds, and i know it costs money to get me that level of service, so i just cant side with those who steal it.
think of a local store who sells shoes, shoes i like and buy, and some people well they rob the store, when i buy a pair of shoe from that store part of the price i have to pay is for the shoe and the other is for the theives. else the store goes out of business and i can no longer buy the shoes that i like from it. | |
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| | hacking cable modem Soon to be an episode on White Collar series. Prob use the glasses wearing older geek they use as the ugly guy to make the leads look even slicker.
Geek would have last laugh being able to steal service to watch his own show free on Hulu while the pretty boys pay full boat.
Hooray for the G.E.E.K. No one raises his rates. | |
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Westfield, NJ | I hesitated to respond but.. This is a waste of law enforcement resources, it makes me think that perhaps the cable lobby is pushing for it. I would rather the FBI spent more time chasing child molesters, and other serious criminals.
I tend to be more libertarian these days and I have a hard time seeing this as a real crime. If the cable company wants to give me a cable in my house with all possible services that can be activated for a fee and I can figure out how to do it without paying, then it's the cable providers problem not the federal government. The most it is, is a contract dispute not a criminal act.
I could tell you a few real stories of well known corporation perpetrating real criminal acts against individuals, and I did not see any federal agency investigating those.
This may be a naive statement, but when did the federal government become a tool of wealthy corporations? This whole things reminds me that we are no more "free" than the average communist Chinese citizen. | |
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Westfield, MA | Re: I hesitated to respond but.. agree it is the isp's job to secure there networks not the fed's,it's funny when regulation come's ah knockin they scream bad bad govt stay away we know what's best for the consumer not you. | |
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| Yep.... ....and they are all over ebay and Craigslist. Fact is, this can't be stopped. The cablecos are using an authorization system that's virtually WIDE OPEN! It's their own fault this is happening! Relying on MAC addresses for authintication is a DUMB IDEA-because it's WAY too easy to clone a MAC address! | |
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| | Theft of services. I wonder if Mr. Bin Laden got any of the questionable funds from the questionable enterprises. | |
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Jewett City, CT | No legitimate use... Unlike some of the other legal grey areas I can't think of *any* legitimate use for a hacked cable modem so it's an easy crime to target. Slam dunk as the kids say. | |
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| | | Re: Don't Steal... soo yeah i am now running 5 modded modems for a lil over a year and charter has not caught on i do have one legit line comming in if anyone would like to buy a modem get back to me | |
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| Re: Don't Steal... said by Kornflake:soo yeah i am now running 5 modded modems for a lil over a year and charter has not caught on i do have one legit line comming in if anyone would like to buy a modem get back to me balls the size of the death star you have.
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| | | | Re: Don't Steal... Oh yea, the government hates corruption! LOLz... | |
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