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Comments on news posted 2010-02-10 11:01:09: The network neutrality debate really started up in the States in 2005, with then AT&T CEO Ed Whitacre, envious of Google ad revenue, oddly declaring that Google should pay a surcharge to AT&T, well, just because. ..
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TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus join:2001-06-20 Cheyenne, WY |
How these ISP's see GoogleThese ISP's must see Google like the "Ending" segment in the Anime feature Robot Carnival. With the automated Carnival rolling over them like a juggernaut. What they don't seen to realize is the money they can make from it is they work with outfits like Google. | |
| Noah VailOh God please no. Premium Member join:2004-12-10 SouthAmerica 1 edit
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No Problem Big Telco, but here's what you need to do.Mr. Big Telco sir; Your point is perfectly reasonable. Google is profiting off of what you created and brought to market.
We'll fee 'the Google' and pass that on to you. There's just one little thing you need to do first.
You'll need to pay retroactive royalities to the following folks, whose creations allowed you to build your empire.
MIT DEC ((Now Compaq) now HP) Paul Baran, Donald Davies and Leonard Kleinrock Advanced Research Projects Agency (Now DARPA) National Physical Laboratory UCLA Tymnet (Now McDonnell Douglas British Telecom MCI Worldcom Concert NewCo AT&T SBC Verizon) Bolt Beranek and Newman, Inc Stanford Research Institute University of California Santa Barbara University of Utah University of Hawaii Ray Tomlinson & Larry Roberts Vint Cerf & Bob Khan Louis Pouzin Bob Metcalfe Xerox Steve Walker, Einar Stefferud & John Vittal Bell Labs Larry Landweber San Fransisco Bay Packet Radio Net National Science Foundation Duke & UNC Richard Bartle & Roy Trubshaw Packet Radio Network (PRNET) City University of New York Computer and Science Network Minitel (France Télécom and BT) Norway European UNIX Network Univ of Wisconsin Internet Activities Board European Academic and Research Network Tom Jennings William Gibson Vadim Antonov Ira Fuchs & Greydon Freeman Society for Public Access Computing (Later National Public Telecomputing Network) Brian Kantor, Phil Lapsley, Stan Barber & Erik Fair Craig Partridge Gordon Bell & Al Gore Tappan Morris & his worm Jon Postel, Danny Cohen, Richard Kaplan, Paul Messina, Ron Broesma, Chuck Seitz, Don Gallop, Jon Hertzog, George Bekey, Steve Crocker & Leonard Kleinrock Susan Estrada Jarkko Oikarinen Cornell, Princeton and the Univ of Washington Corporation for Research and Education Networking Clifford Stoll Mitch Kapor Peter Deutsch, Alan Emtage & Bill Heelan Peter Scott John Romkey and his Internet Toaster General Atomics, Performance Systems International Inc & UUNET Technologies Inc Brewster Kahle Philip Zimmerman Network Coordination Center Univ of Nevada Jean Armour Polly Rick Gates
for starters...
All of these contributed something to the creation of the technology, interest or services that allowed you - Mr. Big Telco sir - to have a product to sell and an interest in that product.
We've heard from you - Mr Time Warner sir - about your keen interest in copyright; that is - making sure that IP creators and owners are granted every possible dollar for their work; even if it means composing new laws to bring that about. We're certain that your Telco Brethren feel the same way.
So once you begin paying appropriate royalties to all the above (continuing 70 years after their demise), we'll see how to impose a new fee on Google as a means to promote fairness.
Sincerely, The Conglomerated Body of Thinking Individuals
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| | TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus join:2001-06-20 Cheyenne, WY |
Re: No Problem Big Telco, but here's what you need to do.Wow you didn't miss much, so many people I know got ripped off in this whole thing. | |
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UmmmWhy is BBR using Jill Greenberg's image to illustrate a news article is my question. She is very vigilant in protecting her images with © | |
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2010-Feb-10 4:29 pm
Hey, great!Say, this doesn't by any chance have something to do with targeted ads, does it? | |
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monk
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2010-Feb-11 8:11 am
startgoogle should start there own isp network world G | |
| | TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus join:2001-06-20 Cheyenne, WY |
Re: startI think they are slowly getting into this. I wonder what the ISP will think if and when Google set up their own system and flatten all of the others. | |
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Do they even listen to what they are saying?How stupid are these people? Do they really think people will buy into their misinformation? Next thing you will know they will come out with a press release: "Breaking: Spanish ISP blames Google for world poverty, more at 11!"
If I was on the Google board of directors, I would block ALL access from that ISP for 24 hours with a message to its users: "Your ISP believes we are getting a "free ride" from them. In an effort to show that we are we are fair and do not want to ride their pipes without cost to us, we are blocking your access to Google for 24 hours. If you believe that we are not riding their "pipes" for free, please call your ISP at [number] and complain."
I think after the 1000th caller, they will retract their statement. Especially considering that the number of callers will tie up the CSR so much that the people with actual problems can't get through. | |
| raye Premium Member join:2000-08-14 Orange, CA |
raye
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2010-Feb-11 1:59 pm
Ed's pipes now at Government Motors (GM)Wonder if they will be in the new Corvette... | |
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Low-bandwidth content undervalued!Is it time to allow Internet users the option for low bandwidth displays?
The increases of both Internet users, and bandwidth requirements are noticeably slowing-down Internet access. Yet, many users are interested in finding resources focusing on informational content. Hence, the low-bandwidth option can suffice.
Are we at a point were an ample number Internet content developers would consider allowing their Internet sites to offer low bandwidth options? Is it possible that enough users would opt for low-bandwidth options that Internet-traffic flow would improve?
Are there applications (which users can decide to download) that can automatically convert content to display through a low-bandwidth option? | |
| ricep5 Premium Member join:2000-08-07 Jacksonville, FL |
ricep5
Premium Member
2010-Feb-13 10:45 pm
Google's FearsThe argument can go several ways here....
Telecom USA could NAT their world and Google would essentially have no data to harvest on user behavior or their search bots. Technically all users have equal access and it would not violate any net neutrality argument.
Essentially "starving" Google of the very thing they need.
In defense, Google becomes an ISP to protect their revenue sources.
In the bad ole days when AOL was king, they made dollars on targeted material based on user behavior and profiles. Their internet gateway in Vienna used to NAT all the dial up clients into the internet in general. However, this was a problem for AOL as they couldn't track internet behavior (at that time) and for the hosts as well as all they saw was a domain/IP at a AOL datacenter.
I used to get Google results, even certain websites that would show I had already clicked certain links even though I had never been there. Problem was someone at AOL already had.
This is why Google sees Telecom USA as a hostile vendor. AOL saw the same thing when they merged with TimeWarner and moved to exclusive content and consented to not enter telecom services. (Though they really wanted to) | |
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