  dispatcher21911 Where is your emergency?
join:2004-01-22
united state
kudos:1 | Every party needs a pooper, thats why we invited you.... What a douche. | |
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join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | Re: Every party needs a pooper, thats why we invited you.... nobody wants them becouse ISPs change 100+ bucks a month for them if it was 50 or less you bet people jump on it | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: Every party needs a pooper, thats why we invited you.... There isn't enough competition to get me 12 Mbit internet for $50, let alone 100M. If Qwest launched VDSL in my area they'd at least have 12M for $50. We could then build up from there.
Problem is, you'd have to be right on top of the VDSL node to get 100M service, or VERY close to do it with line bonding. So Qwest is squealing. Whoda thunk? | |
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| | | | said by elios:nobody wants them becouse ISPs change 100+ bucks a month for them if it was 50 or less you bet people jump on it That will never happen... Think of the total revenue that a telco receives from selling all speeds. It's essentially a triangle, with a little bit of revenue coming from the ultra high speeds and the majority coming from lower speeds.
If they offer their top speed at $50, then the expectation is that slower speeds should be cheaper. The problem is that it takes a long time to deploy the higher speeds, but that huge base of subscribers at the lower speeds will want their rate lowered *now*. | |
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75 years ago no one thought we'd be driving 70 mph, but today everyone drives on interstates and few bother with the old rural routes that once carried all of commerce. The future is obvious, and the first to get there will benefit the most. | |
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| Re: The future... you think ATT's network is capable of high speeds? It tops out at about 25 megs and can't be easily changed due to still running on DSL and copper. At least with VZ they were smart and went to FTTH and MSOs can easily replace equipment to DOC3, or even go FTTH without a problem and very quickley with little money spent.
Id sell the ATT stock.
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: The future... Heard of the iPhone? AT&T isn't just a wireline company...they can do quadruple play in a LOT of their markets, something that can't be said even of Verizon. Also, their expenditure to provide $75 per month internet is cheaper than Verizon's, though the speeds offered for that price are a bit different (24/3 vs. 25/25).
SUre, I'd rather have FIOS than U-Verse but I understand why an investor would take T over VZ.
PS. AT&T does FTTH in greenfield areas. | |
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| | | Re: It's a Chevy, alright ... Qwest is terrible here in tucson. Max speed available to me is 1.5. I have cox and get about 12mbps for 46 a month.
No one I know uses qwest here except those that are very price senstive and use a promo for 25 a month. So even if they are qwest isn't getting mucj out of them... | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: It's a Chevy, alright ... Sorta similar situation here in Golden, CO. We're right outside Denver but I swear that Qwest only has a DS3 feeding their DSLAM here, with ADSL (no 2+, no VDSL) coming out of the DSLAM. This is despite the fact that they have a 100M circuit to my university for backup and probably another 20M+ to the city.
The result: nobody can get above about 6.1/700 on Qwest, though that service is a mere $35 per month (plus applicable taxes and fees, of which I don't know). More than likely though you're at 3 or 5 Mbps tiers minus 14% for overhead (ATM, IP, TCP). These speeds and prices would be okay if the network was good, but it isn't really. Comcast has a more solid backbone than Qwest here, and Qwest is a freaking Tier 1!
The above speeds would be cool in a rural area, but in those areas you get 1.5 Mbps max. Back to square one... | |
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join:2004-10-04
Loveland, CO
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| Re: It's a Chevy, alright ... said by iansltx:Comcast has a more solid backbone than Qwest here, and Qwest is a freaking Tier 1! Qwest is a crap company that has been run into the ground by a steady string of imbeciles and criminals.
I have a LD PRI, Business DSL, and several residential internet accounts right smack in the middle of Qwests footprint that Qwest could own, but they don't and never will.
Qwest? Qwest? Are you listening? I'm a $2500/mo communications customer and you completely fail on every level.
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join:2004-03-28
Boulder, CO | I have 12/896k from Qwest, and at a lower price ($45/mo promotional price; I don't have phone) than Comcast's 12/1.
It's nominally "slower" than Comcast (I only see about 10Mbps after overhead) but it's more consistent and more reliable. Comcast was unable to provide me with service that didn't constantly disconnect due to DCCs.
When my promotional rate for Qwest expires, I'll be happy to give Comcast another chance. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: It's a Chevy, alright ... Interesting. I guess Comcast's service (and Qwest's) vary by area. Here I'm sitting on Comcast 12/2 and really appreciate the added upload speed versus Qwest's non-VDSL service. Could I be paying less for internet? Absolutely, but I'd lose more time waiting for stuff to download and upload than the difference in my bill is worth.
Would I switch to Qwest if they offered VDSL in my area with 5 Mbps uploads? Almost guaranteed, though I wouldn't sign a contract and would try to squeeze Comcast for another promotional price before leaving. If they offered me 50/10 for $50 per month like they have with some customers, I would of course stay. But Qwest does do "cheap" pretty darned well on their lower-end (non 40 Mbps) tiers so I'd probably switch. | |
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join:2004-03-28
Boulder, CO | Re: It's a Chevy, alright ... The 896k is kind of a pisser, but less than Comcast's frequent dropouts in Boulder. 3-5 second DCC connectivity hiccups aren't a big deal for most people, but if you're playing online games they'll get you killed. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: It's a Chevy, alright ... No hiccups here in Golden. Id know even though I don't game; SFTP updates transfer rates every second from the command line, and whether it's local or on a remote shell you can tell when the data isn't flowing through. | |
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join:2004-03-28
Boulder, CO | Re: It's a Chevy, alright ... Well, either they fixed it, or it was only a problem on certain CMTSs or with certain CMs. I have a friend who lives in Golden and they definitely experienced the same issues. With his old Motorola SB5100, it would need to be power cycled before it would connect again; with a Thompson DCM425 it only lasted 4 or 5 seconds.
I would suspect line quality, except for the fact that I had the exact same issue and I know for a fact that it's not a line issue (I had at least 8 or 9 technician visits and had every cable/connector from my CM to the box on the side of the building replaced). My signal was great (38dB S/N, +0.5 downstream power level, 42dBmV upstream power level) and I still had issues. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: It's a Chevy, alright ... Heh, I'm borderline on signals (hot) but my connection has been rock solid... | |
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join:2004-03-28
Boulder, CO | Re: It's a Chevy, alright ... My understanding (according the the 10th or so Comcast tech I spoke with) was that it was a CMTS configuration issue, not a signal issue. Apparently high upstream channel load would cause a wave of DCCs that would cause CMs to briefly lose connection while they switch to the other channel; this causes TCP to enter either fast recovery or slow start (depending on implementation), cutting bandwidth usage and causing more CMs to be switched to the other channel. Then, TCP starts increasing the window size again, bandwidth usage increases, and the CMTS swaps modems back to the other channel.
The net result is that CMs get flipped around from channel to channel several times an hour (instead of very rarely). | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: It's a Chevy, alright ... Got it. We only have one main upstream channel here (on my node anyway); the other is 16QAM so everyone gets put on thhe 64QAM one AFAIK. So no disconnects due to loading. | |
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join:2004-03-28
Boulder, CO | Re: It's a Chevy, alright ... My friend in Golden would bounce between 16QAM and 64QAM all the time. I'm not sure whether we have multiple 64QAM channels here in Boulder, but it's certainly possible. | |
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join:2001-04-27
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join:2002-04-30
Brooklyn, NY | Why?? Fenn asked the question: "Why provide a Rolls-Royce when a Chevrolet will do?"
Regarding Qwest's posted quarterly earnings:
"Qwest has released their fourth quarter earnings, which indicate that Qwest earnings fell some 39% in large part thanks to the continuing death of traditional landline service. According to Qwest, the carrier posted a profit of $108 million, or 6 cents per share compared with a profit of $177 million one year earlier."
Goodness, even I can read the writing on the wall. Maybe I should apply for their Utah President position?...
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| | | Re: Why?? said by winsyrstrife:Fenn asked the question: "Why provide a Rolls-Royce when a Chevrolet will do?" Regarding Qwest's posted quarterly earnings: "Qwest has released their fourth quarter earnings, which indicate that Qwest earnings fell some 39% in large part thanks to the continuing death of traditional landline service. According to Qwest, the carrier posted a profit of $108 million, or 6 cents per share compared with a profit of $177 million one year earlier." Goodness, even I can read the writing on the wall. Maybe I should apply for their Utah President position?... You wouldn't like it here, people seem to be happy with dialup and 256k DSL, those who have Comcast are happy enough, but only a few lucky have anything faster.
Guess most of Utah is considered boonies anyway. Wait Wut? | |
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| | | Yup, sure looks like everybody can read it too. That is of course unless you are Qwest, which likes to dictate to everybody what they think you want and need and can "read" your mind. | |
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Guess which Quest is. | |
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| | Ugh I hope Qwest meets its destiny sooner rather than later. They're the DSL half of the HSI duopoly in my area, which is why FiOS availability stops just north of me 
Fortunately Comcast isn't too bad here. | |
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join:2001-07-05
Miami Beach, FL | This is why we need strong government intervention. If verizon ran the countries wire-line service we'd be fine, but they don't so we need something more than lip-service to get everyone on the bandwagon for next-gen services, services that can't, won't be provided by copper... | |
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| fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | said by TZi: If verizon ran the countries wire-line service we'd be fine, but they don't.... ... thank god!
Verizon has MANY MANY MANY problems and they're the LAST provider I'd want in charge if there were a national wire-line provider.. They're the leader of "let's stick it to them" and "we'll compete where it makes sense for us while making it look like we're actually doing some major foot-print deployment" installation....
Sorry.. Verizon is horrible.. and I'm not going to sell out JUST becuase they're providing Fiber... got news for you, there were other providers pushing fiber back in 1999... while they're not a major telco provider, I'd say WinFirst/Surewest (aka Roseville Telephone) in the Placer County/Sacramento County area had their eye on the ball LONG before Verizon ever did. | |
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join:2004-10-04
Loveland, CO | Why provide a Chevrolet... ... when a Yugo will do? | |
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join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
1 edit | said by bent:... when a Yugo will do? That's what I thought when I read that Rolls-Royce comment, isn't Qwest more like a Yugo than a Chevy. | |
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| | Qwest is lazy We use Qwest for a business data line. The hold times are low but the actual support sucks. You talk to three people at a minimum before someone can actually help you. (i'm talking business class support...not residential) every single call is like that. we have been trying to get fiber for a long time but Qwest always said not likely unless we want to pay big bucks to make it happen and sign a multi year contract. Found a private company who is putting in fiber for us (only a couple year contract and construction cost paid) and we are dumping Qwest. | |
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join:2004-03-07
Canada |  Why provide 100 Mbps
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join:2002-05-08
Moorhead, MN Reviews:
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| Waiting to Dump these Clowns Midcontinent is in the processof deplying DOCSIS 3 50 Meg cable in this town, I'm going to get it, and as long as it does not have any sort of horrible technical problems, I plan on dumping Qwest and their lowsy 3 meg interleaved, laggy DSL once and for all. Oh, and their landline to my house is going to get cut too.
They had their chance and they blew it. Whoever at USWest engineered the sale to Qwest must be laughing their ass off by now. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | One caveat As we noted, American cable operators already offer 100-Mbps capable DOCSIS 3.0 service to nearly 50 million Americans, and without including fiber deployments, the United States should pass the 100 Mbps to 100 million mark in a few years without the FCC ever lifting a finger.
Yes 50 million have access to 100 Mbps, but look at the prices. I'm pretty sure the FCC didn't mean 100 Mbps at over $100 a month. I'm prety sure they meant 100 Mbps at CURRENT prices or cheaper. Hell 20 Mbps from Charter costs $70 and that's $10 off for "bundling". Getting it alone is $80 a month. Call me impresed when it gets under $40 | |
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| | Just a dream, or really a nightmare? UTOPIA service providers are already delivering 100Mbps and beyond right in Qwest's backyard. Qwerst just doesn't have the money or gumption to make it happen after so many years of mismanagement. There's enough layers of lipstick on that pig to hide the whole damn snout. | |
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| | Why provide a Rolls-Royce when a Chevrolet will do? It's this kind of attitude that makes Qwest suck-balls!!! I'm glad that Qwest is rotting in its ignorance and losing millions very quarter. When customers speak this way about there ISP, believe me there is good reason! So to Jerry Fenn and Ed Mueller, go FU*K yourselves!!!! This is of course my opinion. Good day gentlemen! | |
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2 edits | Re: Chevy, you mean Vespa (at best). said by Tron4Net:I feel your pain! I have 1.5Mbps and Qwest WON'T give me anything faster!! Yet I have fiber-optic 2 blocks away!! Bozos are too much of a compliment, they are just bit brains!!!! Thank you.
But the real painful part is that Phillip Anschutz, who has his name all over Denver as a "humanitarian", was allowed to merge his company, Qwest, with the then USWest, whom I have worked for, because he said that he would run the Hyper-Internet Fiber line that runs through the Southern part of the U.S. North via his railroads with clear right of way. Then months after the merger Anschutz sold his railroads, the right of way with it and no Fiber connection to the South Hyper run happened. I think the deal should have been dissolved and Mr. Anschutz jailed for fraud.
So can we be surprised that things are a mess and will be more so in the future? My new next door neighbor who is an IT Security Specialist hates Qwest and has Comcast even though he hates it too. But it does what he needs. That's the kicker, Getting What You Need. That I fear will not be available to anyone anytime soon with Qworst.
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This was a reply to a previous post that that recanted a line from Qworst's CEO. I do not know how this became a topic on its own. It is out of context. So if it does not make sense. There you have it. | |
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join:2009-11-06
Ackworth, IA | So is 1.5Mbps a fantasy land? Qwest has plenty of cities with populations over 25,000 that are stuck with 1.5Mbps as the top tier. Using the Chevrolet comparison I'd say my 1.5Mbps service is like an old Corvair. Would I be willing to pay for a Z06 Corvette? Probably not. However, if Qwest built a 100Mbps network they would sell plenty of mid tier service.
A decent 10Mbps service would get my money. | |
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| Re: So is 1.5Mbps a fantasy land? said by EC135:Qwest has plenty of cities with populations over 25,000 that are stuck with 1.5Mbps as the top tier. Using the Chevrolet comparison I'd say my 1.5Mbps service is like an old Corvair. Would I be willing to pay for a Z06 Corvette? Probably not. However, if Qwest built a 100Mbps network they would sell plenty of mid tier service. A decent 10Mbps service would get my money. Its not about money
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join:2005-09-22
San Jose, CA Reviews:
·SONIC.NET
| Well written, Bode. Thanks. That was a nice read, Karl. I noticed that too from the same article, which I just posted my response to in the other FCC thread here, in which you said you were able to discern fairly easily the FCC desire was a fluff piece. I saw it as FCC overstepping its bounds, so responded with that point. | |
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Edward Mueller also stated that "our customers wouldn't want it."
This type of negative,non-logical thinking is how every company fails to succeed,including this one,which clearly doesn't want their customers to be happy with their horrible customer/internet service.
Companies like this should stay out of the internet service business. Who thinks this also? | |
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| | QWest QWEST, what a horrible company. The only thing they do well is work the system to impede anyone who might have a good idea and might hurt their pitiful market presence.
When they were fighting tooth and nail against Utopia, trying to get the legislature to outlaw the project and then when that did not work, trying to turn the public against the project, they promised that they would put up a competitive system. That was 5 years ago, they have done nothing.
Comcast at least has a reasonable service but I pay almost $80 dollars a month and Utopia costs half that for twice the speed.
These guys still have their paid shills who flood the comment sections of any article favorable to Utopia.
Of course we managed to find money to bail out the bankers for trillions. And we got some stimulus money and put all the road construction companies to work.
What? Is the Internet still some new thing? Just optional? Not a chance.
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