 56403739Less than 5 months leftPremium
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Naples, FL
kudos:2 | ESPN is not "the Internet" And neither is HBO or NBC. They are doing what they want with their own product. This is not the same as an ISP blocking a third party.
In fact, this is no different than Disney's move of Monday Night Football from the OTA ABC network to ESPN. |
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Longport, NJ
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1 edit | Subscribe to TV but can't get live nbcolympics? the system doesn't appear to be working for a number of users. The problem may be with your browser security. If you aren't allowing 3rd party cookies(which many security conscious users block), the connection is never OK'd. If you subscribe to cable TV pkg and are willing to turn off your cookie security(I wasn't), you can most likely get access to live video at nbcolympics.com. |
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Re: ESPN is not "the Internet" This is not the same as an ISP blocking a third party. Not saying it is. Am saying NBC's Olympics coverage and streaming solution appears both bizarre and broken, and that restricting access to content based on the user's ISP fundamentally alters the content landscape... |
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| Original complaint on Consumerist was about Verizon DSL, since the consumers thought ISP was the problem. NYC based Consumerist may have confused Verizon DSL with Verizon FiOS.
If anyone has problem viewing online, it is because NBC didn't play well with your pay TV provider. Customers of smaller cable systems have a real valid beef here.
I have Verizon DSL, and have been watching this, because I have DirecTV for pay TV. |
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Glen Allen, VA | I have no Idea How ESPN360 is spreading That junk is useless... |
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Camden, TN | reply to 56403739
Re: ESPN is not "the Internet" said by 56403739:And neither is HBO or NBC. They are doing what they want with their own product. This is not the same as an ISP blocking a third party. In fact, this is no different than Disney's move of Monday Night Football from the OTA ABC network to ESPN. So be force to pay hundreds or more than $1000 a year for TV to get olympics even though you can get NBC for free? I call bullshit.
Once again media companies have ZERO clue. Raping people is not the answer. |
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Re: I have no Idea How ESPN360 is spreading said by R4M0N:That junk is useless... Care to elaborate? Tough to respond to something that content-free...
I've watched ESPN360.com on occasion and it's been fine for me. |
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 jmn1207Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA
kudos:1 | Just Trying to Save the Dodo This model is successful because it is all just a means to try and control the inevitable death of conventional TV service. If we can get everything we want over the internet, nobody is going to pony-up money for a cable box and join the masses in paying higher rates each year for their TV viewing pleasure. By keeping consumers from being able to obtain convenient programming via their Internet connection unless they subscribe to some TV package, they can keep the cash cow alive and control when and what we can watch more easily.
Same old story, conglomerates in an oligopoly restrict innovation in an effort to maintain control. Another ridiculous, RIAA-like battle is coming on the video content front. |
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| NOT only that COMCAST forces you to have cable and internet NOT only that COMCAST forces you to have cable and internet to do some stuff like on line DVR control so if you have DSL and cable tv you can not use DVR remote control and this may also be true for the HBO thing and maybe Olympics as well.
Direct tv much better with this you are not locking to any one IPS for there dvr remote control and olympics on line stuff that is tied to your tv package . |
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join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA
kudos:1 | reply to MyDogHsFleas
Re: I have no Idea How ESPN360 is spreading said by MyDogHsFleas:said by R4M0N:That junk is useless... Care to elaborate? Tough to respond to something that content-free... I've watched ESPN360.com on occasion and it's been fine for me. It's not free, it's just that you, as the consumer, have very little control over the supply and demand of this product. Comcast, Verizon, or whatever other provider that carries ESPN360 has to pay money for this option, and it affects everyone's overall prices, even if you never use it. The pricing model for ESPN360 is based on the number of subscribers an ISP has, which makes it cheaper per customer for a giant like Comcast, but a significant expense for a smaller, budding ISP. |
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Re: ESPN is not "the Internet" This is hilarious when you consider complaints about Google "using our pipes for free" and allegations of "freeloading" only to have ISPs pay a content provider to use the ISP's pipes.
Hypocrisy on the side of the ISPs? Think so! |
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Re: Just Trying to Save the Dodo said by jmn1207:This model is successful because it is all just a means to try and control the inevitable death of conventional TV service. If we can get everything we want over the internet, nobody is going to pony-up money for a cable box and join the masses in paying higher rates each year for their TV viewing pleasure. By keeping consumers from being able to obtain convenient programming via their Internet connection unless they subscribe to some TV package, they can keep the cash cow alive and control when and what we can watch more easily. Same old story, conglomerates in an oligopoly restrict innovation in an effort to maintain control. Another ridiculous, RIAA-like battle is coming on the video content front. The last thing we want is any thing like this.
If you want to have some pay for your web site then make it up the user and not the ISP.
I don't want want to go the cable tv way and deal with stuff being forced to buy the disney channel on line to get epsn.
I don't want to be foreced to buy a mtv music pass to get Comedy Central. |
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56403739Less than 5 months leftPremium
join:2006-03-08
Naples, FL
kudos:2 | reply to Karl Bode
Re: ESPN is not "the Internet" This is not "free" programming, and while NBCU may have bobbled their implementation they are fully within their rights to decide how content they pay dearly to produce and broadcast is distributed. Your insistence that all video product being available via all distribution channels as some kind of fundamental right cheapens the very real battle to be faced by content providers who can't get past an ISP's demands for payment. In fact, it is the exact opposite. The content producers control their product, not the ISPs, nor you.
NBC has hired six different survey companies to measure the various ways their Olympics is being consumed and is using it as a laboratory to inform future efforts both by NBCU and others. You can't seem to get past the fact that they dare ask to be paid. |
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3 edits | Your insistence that all video product being available via all distribution channels as some kind of fundamental right. Nowhere was this said.You can't seem to get past the fact that they dare ask to be paid. Not only making straw men (How dare companies demand to be paid!), you're also missing every single point made in the article, RadioDoc. (doh)
One, NBC's Olympic streaming service creates a broken paywall apparatus many users say is not working. Despite offering coverage free over the air with ads, for whatever reason offering free live streaming with ads is considered some kind of insanity by terrified NBC executives. They're simply trying to pretend the open Internet doesn't exist and in the process made it harder to access their content. Genius!
Two, restricting user access to content based on their ISP also tries to obliterate the open Internet concept by trying to scare ISPs into ponying up for content. It drives up end user cost, further marginalizes already incredibly marginalized smaller ISPs who can't afford to pay, and also tries to pretend the open Internet can be beaten back with enough force. |
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Houston, TX | It's a membership Well,
Pretty much everything is going to "Subscribe to" or Service agreement kind of model.
However, i have ATT and i can watch ESPN360 via my internet connection i also happen to have U-Verse with my movie channels, including HBO, etc.
I am already paying to get HBO access, shouldnt i be able to have access to the programming i am already paying for..?
This doesnt help anyone, but pirates... I find myself using more torrents because of things like this than ever before... |
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2 edits | Nothing to see here... On the first day of the Olympics I wanted to watch the Olympics online since I happened to not have access to a TV, but I did have my laptop and Internet access on me. I wound up missing all but the last 10 commercial filled minutes of the event because I couldn't watch it online. What's more surprising is that it's on *FREE* TV as well in HD. During the time I couldn't watch the Olympics, I was in an IRC chat talking about the whole ordeal and how it seems as though NBC just wants more money to stream something that is already a worldwide event and can be gotten elsewhere with less commercials than NBC plays if it weren't for GeoIP restrictions online. Yeah, I realize something such as the Akamai HD network is expensive in terms of bandwidth, but isn't that what the commercials and "good will" motives are for?
My ISPs both provide ESPN 360. I don't use it. I do have Satellite TV service and NBC's "Stream Portal" shows my provider as a partnered provider. I don't even want to bother with it since it's still going to show the same crap, maybe even more crap that TV already shows that's not game related. It should be something that isn't gated off in the first place.
But thanks for providing the link to the page Karl! I've been looking for that link for a while.
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Re: Subscribe to TV but can't get live nbcolympics? So install one instance of Firefox Portable to use only for this one, specific thing and let anyone put their hands in the cookie jar... meh. |
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Re: Just Trying to Save the Dodo said by jmn1207: If we can get everything we want over the internet, nobody is going to pony-up money for a cable box and join the masses in paying higher rates each year for their TV viewing pleasure. Going by this logic nobody is going to buy big screen TV's... because you can see it in poorer quality on a tiny laptop... or you can hook the laptop to the TV and see a big pixelated picture that doesn't even come close to a SD feed... not to mention HD. |
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| *facepalm* This will bring in internet2, a cable-TV pay-like subscription model the telco's and cableco's will bring in. I WAS right about Bellus & Robbers bragging to TIME magazine about the internet going to a Pay as you surf Cable TV Model by 2012.
it's a Cableco and Telco's wet Dream >.> |
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Re: I have no Idea How ESPN360 is spreading Ahh, yes... if only I could opt-out and reduce my bill by that amount [no matter how small it is--simply on priciple]. Just serve me up as dumb a pipe as possible, thank you. (I know... it'll never happen.)
[Edit:] BTW, doesn't "content-free" here refer to the replied to post and not ESPN360 (aka the [ESPN] content)? (Well, that's how I read it.) |
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