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Comments on news posted 2010-03-12 10:16:49: Just a few days before the FCC is poised to introduce our first ever national broadband plan, the agency has launched a new java-based speed test application at the Broadband.gov website. ..

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tschmidt
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reply to FFH5

Re: FCC using to build own broadband maps

said by FFH5:

Exact accuracy of speeds is NOT the point.
That is true but an accurate test will encourage more folks to participate. Having an inaccurate test report just fans the flames of FCC incompetent and bias.

/tom


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Re: The test is inaccurate...

The M-Labs version is trash. The Ookla version tested three different lines in three different locations accurately and more consistently than the tests from this site do.

The speedtest.net site seems to do the best of all, though, since it looks for the best server for your location.


PeteC2
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Er...say WHAT???

'Ya gotta love the govt.! Here is the gist of it, right?

"Transparency empowers consumers, promotes innovation and investment, and encourages competition," FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski said in a statement. "The FCC's new digital tools will arm users with real-time information about their broadband connection and the agency with useful data about service across the country. By informing consumers about their broadband service quality, these tools help eliminate confusion and make the market work more effectively."


In a word, baloney. First, the speed test is accurate for some, not so much for others, and way off for others still...not egg-zactly the best path to enlightening consumers, eh?

There are already plenty of available places to test your connection speed, most of which are at least as reliable as this...

There is nothing here that will make the market work more effectively, that is just plain hokum.

I am not really too paranoid however, I just think that this is another "Gee whiz, look how your govt. is looking out for you!" while justifying a few more taxpayer based jobs...

I know, I am just being negative because they would not hire me for the tidal wave lookout position in Kansas that I proposed a few years back...
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dave
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Re: another test they can manipulate

said by noworit :

if verizon had anything to do with that,i tried 3 times.
Seems unlikely, since the way a telco would want to fudge the test would be to give test traffic a higher-than-usual priority, thus making themselves look better.


fifty nine

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reply to funchords

Re: The test is inaccurate...

said by funchords:



The goal here is to see whether you're getting what you paid for.

I have to disagree. The goal for the Gov't speed test is to sample what speeds are available where.

If powerboost causes a test to show 30Mbps then it is a false result.


fifty nine

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2 edits
reply to Hpower

Re: Its a bit slow..

said by Hpower:

said by powerspec88:

Yes, 750Mbps up and down. We just got another ISP so you can add 200Mbps to that once we get BGP peering between our other two routers. I work at a data center btw. I just can't believe how slow it is, but then again, who knows how many users are trying to run the test right now.
Crazy. What is 750mbps used for really? Cisco live office video conferences? :P
Our bandwidth (in the datacenter) is used for web hosting including a lot of multimedia content including tons of video, audio, podcasts and radio streams (we're a media company). The office bandwidth is used to transfer video (upload and download) to many places, as well as data replication to various other sites and vendors. We also have video streaming from reporters and of course the VPN, which is a story by itself.

At the last places I worked we've used bandwidth for VOIP, data replication to multiple datacenters and financial application data. However most links were not internet links. They were dedicated circuits.

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and now that youve visited the govt spy site

they know what back doors to use on you and can now gleefully enjoy the fruits of thy labours

haha
rule 8 , never visit a gov't website without use of a proxy chain
you are a trusting lot . considering there stance on ACTA


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reply to fifty nine

Re: The test is inaccurate...

There are 2 tests available at BB.gov the Ookla (short test, see maximum powerboost effect) and the Mlab version (larger/more complex test, PB has little effect, (but jitter measuremnet is unrealistic) )
Which test you see first is randomized, everyone should be sure to take BOTH tests, each time they visit the site, so any data collected is closer to reality.
That said it is a beta, and the location data is probably more important than the speed data at this point (if you don't feel comfortable using your own address, please use one nearby, so as not to skew the location HAVE/HAVE NOT part. It's not like you really are hidding using a fake/distant location, they can trace your IP if the really want too anyway.)


Trimline
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Well, that was fun!

Ran the test and the first results were not accurate. Reran the test using another site and it crashed IE 8. LOL...


tshirt
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Re: Who is taking notes?

Which seems like a pretty good use of the data, as compared to say Kroger stores marking beer up on friday morning knowing you buy yours friday night, and dropping the price monday am, knowing you never buy during the week.

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Re: They should partner with someone on this for servers

Uhh, I actually mentioned that test in another post. That exact one, in fact.

For what it's worth, it wouldn't take a whole lot to get accurate results on speed tests money-wise; I'm guessing Cogent and/or Hurricane Electric would be okay with providing a few gigabits of bandwidth for a nominal fee (Cogent is pro-net neutrality btw), and a few midrange quad-core servers on gigabit pipes, limited to twenty simultaneous tests, would probably do well for this sort of thing...


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Broadband.gov speed test = Fail!

Before getting all hyped that your ISP is failing to deliver based on the Broadband.gov test results you might want to read this...

»www.ispgeeks.com/wild/modules.ph···29#17112

I've spent the last 24 hours testing from different locations with different connections and I can't even give them a "decent" rating without laughing.

I used 3 different testing sources (one of which is mine...I will confess this right up front) and the results pretty much speak for themselves. You are better off still using one of the established testing sites out there vss the broadband.gov site.

The datamining is what really has me disturbed though. There is no reason why they need your address. They can easily obtain the ISP and location through public domain Geo-IP locate databases. This stinks of typical government crap and given our current administration's history you might be best off to give less than accurate information about your address. It's frankly none of their business WHERE you live for this type of testing. Your IP resolves to your ISP and county...that's all they need to know.


mrkevin
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coast to coast

There's no way you can get an accurate speed test when your server is in Seattle...and over 18 hops from me

And if you're only going to have one server, why not put it in a central location like St. Louis

Are you listening FCC??
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Re: Its a bit slow..

said by NetAdmin1:

Where I work, we connect to our 10Gbps backbone, but the internet is a lot slower than that because of the Cisco firewall filtering traffic. I'd wager you probably have the same situation - a firewall somewhere with a slower connection than the fiber coming into the building.
We do no filtering at all. Just a firewall.
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powerspec88
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reply to Hpower
We are a data center, so it is used by our clients, and me when i'm there

iansltx

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reply to funchords

Re: They should partner with someone on this for servers

PowerBoost affects the speed of the link still, but at least it's pretty much maxing out the connection rather than giving me a bogus result...


mrkevin
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Re: Broadband.gov speed test = Fail!

said by BHNtechXpert:

The datamining is what really has me disturbed though. There is no reason why they need your address. They can easily obtain the ISP and location through public domain Geo-IP locate databases. This stinks of typical government crap and given our current administration's history you might be best off to give less than accurate information about your address. It's frankly none of their business WHERE you live for this type of testing. Your IP resolves to your ISP and county...that's all they need to know.
I agree, and I had the same thoughts when that came up.
They ABSOLUTELY do not need to know this information.
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reply to funchords

Re: The test is inaccurate...

Rob,

With all due respect, any real honest statictician would have a hard time using any of this data, because it violates basic rules of sample selection bias. There are ways to correct for that, but nothing that could render anything worthwhile from these self-selected tests.

The FCC should take a cue from Offcom, and do a SamKnows style testing, which corrects for selection bias as well as all sorts of other intervening factors.


fifty nine

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reply to tshirt
The problem is that the mlab test doesn't work with Firefox on Linux, which is what I'm using.

It also doesn't work with chrome on windows 7 which is what I also used.

If this test is IE only they're going to get a lot of skewed results. Not everyone wants to use IE.


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1 edit
said by fifty nine:

The problem is that the mlab test doesn't work with Firefox on Linux, which is what I'm using.

It also doesn't work with chrome on windows 7 which is what I also used.

If this test is IE only they're going to get a lot of skewed results. Not everyone wants to use IE.
From FCC:
Note: the M-Lab application currently does not work with Safari, Chrome, and Opera web browsers.

The ookla test should work:
Ookla also provides free services at their public web site Speedtest.net.
It is the same test as used at speedtest.net


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Inaccurate!


Ookla - first test

Ookla - retest

M-Labs - first test

M-Labs - retest
Looks like these tests, especially the m-labs one, are not too accurate and vary from test to test (all within minutes)

The m-lab's one really looks messed up.


jlivingood
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reply to funchords

Re: The test is inaccurate...

Robb - You are the resident M-Labs expert... Do you know how many TCP connections that the M-Labs tool uses?

Also - do you have any idea how the test decides to use one test or the other (M-Labs or Ookla)?
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FFH5
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2 edits
said by jlivingood:

Robb - You are the resident M-Labs expert... Do you know how many TCP connections that the M-Labs tool uses?

Also - do you have any idea how the test decides to use one test or the other (M-Labs or Ookla)?
The FCC web site says it picks it at random. But when the test ends, you can then run the other test.

»www.broadband.gov/qualitytest/about/
Users will be assigned to one of the two chosen testing tools: Ookla or M-Lab, or they can directly choose one of these tools at the links at the bottom of this page.
But you can pick which one you want from the above link or use the links I found below:

Ookla:
»www.broadband.gov/qualitytest/?sCode=O

M-Lab:
»www.broadband.gov/qualitytest/?sCode=M

Skippy25

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reply to FFH5

Re: Boost

What are you talking about? If it shows 25/10 because of powerboost and your connection is 12/5 then it is providing false information is it not?


knightmb
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I tried it straight from our 1000 Mbs fiber, only got around 30 mbps, so I think they are probably getting hammered by all of us testing it out.
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Re: Its a bit slow..

said by powerspec88:

Yes, 750Mbps up and down. We just got another ISP so you can add 200Mbps to that once we get BGP peering between our other two routers. I work at a data center btw. I just can't believe how slow it is, but then again, who knows how many users are trying to run the test right now.
it not how many user are running the site it how many user are on this shared connection
750mbit is the total bandwidth of your data center
not dedicated to each user.


Ericthorn
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reply to FFH5

Re: The test is inaccurate...

If it's the same then why are the results so skewed? Ookla had inaccurate d/l data while speedtest was accurate.

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Re: Boost

Tried it within moments of the news hitting NANOG first thing this morning, and the speeds weren't even close. The Java app pegged me at 1.3M down 18M up. The flash app was the opposite, only more extreme. 24M down 0.3M up.

Tests were run from 25/25 FIOS.


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reply to funchords

Re: Pointless

Until they cherry pick the data like all gov't institutions do.


FFH5
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Re: The test is inaccurate...

said by Ericthorn:

If it's the same then why are the results so skewed? Ookla had inaccurate d/l data while speedtest was accurate.
Are they? I get similar results:






Not identical, but I wouldn't expect them to be. Which speedtest server did FCC choose for ookla test? It may not be the same. And how long the test runs for the FCC vs native speedtest.net may not be the same.