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Comments on news posted 2010-03-12 10:16:49: Just a few days before the FCC is poised to introduce our first ever national broadband plan, the agency has launched a new java-based speed test application at the Broadband.gov website. ..

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pokesph
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Inaccurate!


Ookla - first test

Ookla - retest

M-Labs - first test

M-Labs - retest
Looks like these tests, especially the m-labs one, are not too accurate and vary from test to test (all within minutes)

The m-lab's one really looks messed up.


jlivingood
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reply to funchords

Re: The test is inaccurate...

Robb - You are the resident M-Labs expert... Do you know how many TCP connections that the M-Labs tool uses?

Also - do you have any idea how the test decides to use one test or the other (M-Labs or Ookla)?
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FFH5
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2 edits
said by jlivingood:

Robb - You are the resident M-Labs expert... Do you know how many TCP connections that the M-Labs tool uses?

Also - do you have any idea how the test decides to use one test or the other (M-Labs or Ookla)?
The FCC web site says it picks it at random. But when the test ends, you can then run the other test.

»www.broadband.gov/qualit ··· t/about/
Users will be assigned to one of the two chosen testing tools: Ookla or M-Lab, or they can directly choose one of these tools at the links at the bottom of this page.
But you can pick which one you want from the above link or use the links I found below:

Ookla:
»www.broadband.gov/qualit ··· ?sCode=O

M-Lab:
»www.broadband.gov/qualit ··· ?sCode=M

Skippy25

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1 recommendation

reply to FFH5

Re: Boost

What are you talking about? If it shows 25/10 because of powerboost and your connection is 12/5 then it is providing false information is it not?


knightmb
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reply to NeoandGeo
I tried it straight from our 1000 Mbs fiber, only got around 30 mbps, so I think they are probably getting hammered by all of us testing it out.
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jadebangle
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reply to powerspec88

Re: Its a bit slow..

said by powerspec88:

Yes, 750Mbps up and down. We just got another ISP so you can add 200Mbps to that once we get BGP peering between our other two routers. I work at a data center btw. I just can't believe how slow it is, but then again, who knows how many users are trying to run the test right now.
it not how many user are running the site it how many user are on this shared connection
750mbit is the total bandwidth of your data center
not dedicated to each user.


Ericthorn
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reply to FFH5

Re: The test is inaccurate...

If it's the same then why are the results so skewed? Ookla had inaccurate d/l data while speedtest was accurate.

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reply to Uncle Paul

Re: Boost

Tried it within moments of the news hitting NANOG first thing this morning, and the speeds weren't even close. The Java app pegged me at 1.3M down 18M up. The flash app was the opposite, only more extreme. 24M down 0.3M up.

Tests were run from 25/25 FIOS.


Z80A
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reply to funchords

Re: Pointless

Until they cherry pick the data like all gov't institutions do.


FFH5
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reply to Ericthorn

Re: The test is inaccurate...

said by Ericthorn:

If it's the same then why are the results so skewed? Ookla had inaccurate d/l data while speedtest was accurate.
Are they? I get similar results:






Not identical, but I wouldn't expect them to be. Which speedtest server did FCC choose for ookla test? It may not be the same. And how long the test runs for the FCC vs native speedtest.net may not be the same.


CosmicDebri
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Looks ok for me

The mlabs test was very poor, half the d/l speed and 4x more latency and jitter, but the other looked pretty spot on, I have AT&T DSL 6m/512.

If I could get these numbers all the time when actually using, it would be great.
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fifty nine

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reply to FFH5

Re: The test is inaccurate...

They are way off.

Speedtest.net is more along the line of what I'd expect, whereas broadband.gov's test showed about one third of our total download speed and one fortieth of our total upload speed.


BHNtechXpert
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Re: Broadband.gov speed test = Fail!

said by mrkevin:

said by BHNtechXpert:

The datamining is what really has me disturbed though. There is no reason why they need your address. They can easily obtain the ISP and location through public domain Geo-IP locate databases. This stinks of typical government crap and given our current administration's history you might be best off to give less than accurate information about your address. It's frankly none of their business WHERE you live for this type of testing. Your IP resolves to your ISP and county...that's all they need to know.
I agree, and I had the same thoughts when that came up.
They ABSOLUTELY do not need to know this information.
If you think about it. The only way the government can currently associate an ip with an address is with a court order. By freely giving your information on the FCC speed test site (meaning address) you completely circumvent that requirement. Combine that with essentially a crappy speed test and you have a no winner for me.


BHNtechXpert
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Re: coast to coast

said by mrkevin:

There's no way you can get an accurate speed test when your server is in Seattle...and over 18 hops from me

And if you're only going to have one server, why not put it in a central location like St. Louis

Are you listening FCC??
LOL! But as usual the government is clueless about broadband and how it works so in their feeble minds they are doing us all a huge favor....fail!


jlivingood
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reply to FFH5

Re: The test is inaccurate...

Thanks!

From the office the Ookla test returns: 35M/3M
and M-Lab: 21M/4M
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Madtown
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Main page.

The main page of the site doesn't even finish loading, I think too many people are on there at once.

chuckkk

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Govt Seed test

This .gov speed test is more accurate, consistent, proven, more or less centrally located, and provides diagnostic data
»miranda.ctd.anl.gov
(Even though it's from Obama land!


NOCTech75
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reply to AMDUSER

Re: The test is inaccurate...

Way off here also, my home DS3 test is way lower then what it should be. Of course I suppose I should have entered an accurate address, as usual government fail.


BHNtechXpert
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Re: Govt Seed test

said by chuckkk:

This .gov speed test is more accurate, consistent, proven, more or less centrally located, and provides diagnostic data
»miranda.ctd.anl.gov
(Even though it's from Obama land!
But apparently incapable of testing anything more than about 10mbps. I just tested from California, Florida and Texas all with very high capacity connections and they all capped at about 11mbps (should have been between 20-100mbps based on the connections used). The test might be okay for those below 10mbps...but nothing higher.

nanoflower

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I won't be doing that again.

I was willing to give it a try. Even put in my real address so they could map the data, but when I went to the next page and tried to start the test it crashed Firefox. This is only the second page that I've found to crash the latest Firefox. The other one is that IfICanDream web site which sometimes crashes.

I would much rather use a site that tests speeds without requiring me to give so much identifying information


Its a Secret
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Funny thing...

At the bottom of the first page it says you need java to run the test, but the next page requires flash... So which is it? Java or Flash based?

I think I smell a cow chip.


funchords
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reply to Bill Dollar

Re: The test is inaccurate...

said by Bill Dollar:

The FCC should take a cue from Offcom, and do a SamKnows style testing, which corrects for selection bias as well as all sorts of other intervening factors.
I agree that something like this is necessary to get an accurate picture. Whether we'll get there sooner or later is an open question. In either case, what we did yesterday is a start.
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openbox9
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reply to Skippy25

Re: Boost

But after a test, the FCC knows you have a connection and your address...which it most likely didn't before. Besides, what's that definition of broadband again?

openbox9
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reply to jus10

Re: Dot gov?

Like »arin.net?


xirian
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reply to funchords

Re: Doesn't finish

it was safari. Of course both tests are wrong, one shows as 25/1, the other 5/5.


BHNtechXpert
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reply to Its a Secret

Re: Funny thing...

said by Its a Secret:

At the bottom of the first page it says you need java to run the test, but the next page requires flash... So which is it? Java or Flash based?

I think I smell a cow chip.
Naw, that smell is just congress


clickwir

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Dickson City, PA

Cold hard fact

Cold hard fact... this test will be limited by it's own use of Java as the platform for testing.

Sure, it's fairly wide spread. But most people don't use it, if they even have it installed. Those that do have it installed, you have to worry about the 987340958724535 different versions and if it even works.

chuckkk

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reply to BHNtechXpert

Re: Govt Seed test

It looks like there is a slow internal link at »miranda.ctd.anl.gov/ that is causing the limit.
Someone must have added a slow router.

Core0000
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What the heck is Jitter?

Anyways, I took the test the first time, used OKLA.. and got
6479 kbps Download
509 kbps up

The jitter and Latency test did not work..

Second time time it was going to use a different service to do the test, but it did not work..

Took the test a third time with OKLA again.. and got
7377 kbps Down
723 kbps up
Lat 58ms
Jitter 20ms

Anyways, Newwave must have some kind of boost thing or something or the sites some how way off. I subscribe to 6/1 services from newwave.


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reply to BHNtechXpert

Re: Broadband.gov speed test = Fail!

Having address data allows them to determine right down to the local neighborhood who is getting access and who is not. There has been controversy in the past that poorer areas or otherwise more rural areas were not getting broadband access. This is an issue to the government because it has and will be distributing stimulus money partially to provide broadband for the underserved.

I imagine many people will simply use a nearby address or such (not sure that this strictly legal but whatever). I agree that they should not be requiring address information (only requesting after a polite explanation) however I see where it could be considered helpful towards the stated goals at broadband.gov.

I also very much like the idea of the government partnering with M-lab (who is also researching network neutrality and providing tools for users to test this) and gaining information by which they can better monitor ISPs. I think it can potentially be a huge win for American consumers.

In regards to speedtests themselves there has been issues with ISPs artificially inflating speeds (yet other normal sites get the normal lower speeds) to known speedtests in order to deceive consumers. Perhaps eventually with help from M-lab the government can develop a more accurate test which can catch such things and provide a better metric for American consumers.