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Comments on news posted 2010-03-12 10:16:49: Just a few days before the FCC is poised to introduce our first ever national broadband plan, the agency has launched a new java-based speed test application at the Broadband.gov website. ..

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Dagda1175

join:2001-06-17
Goleta, CA

Inaccurate?

Or maybe cox's connections fluctuate more than I know.
I am 'supposed' to get 10 Mbps down, 768 Kbps up. And with powerboost it should be 12.5 Mbps down, 1 Mbps up.

The .gov test gave me 25816 kbps down and 2341 kbps up.

camaro92
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Hey at least

I may get knocked for this but at least they are trying,the last administration wouldn't even tried a deal like this for consumers,yes it may be inaccurate and this that but it is a tool nonetheless that hopefully they will build a database for all isp's,but i agree that broadband min speed should be a hell of lot higher the kb range is pathetic.
paradigmfl

join:2005-07-16

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Re: Hey at least

said by camaro92:

I may get knocked for this but at least they are trying,the last administration wouldn't even tried a deal like this for consumers,yes it may be inaccurate and this that but it is a tool nonetheless that hopefully they will build a database for all isp's,but i agree that broadband min speed should be a hell of lot higher the kb range is pathetic.
Agreed. This is just the initial implementation and they are probably getting hammered far more than they expected. I'm sure that it will get better over time. I find the idea behind this to be great for consumers.

Btw, I also note the test claims to be "Beta" (at the bottom "(beta)" appears) which means it isn't officially released and is still in testing.
MTU
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Accurate

Worked just fine for me.

PeteC2
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Er...say WHAT???

'Ya gotta love the govt.! Here is the gist of it, right?

"Transparency empowers consumers, promotes innovation and investment, and encourages competition," FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski said in a statement. "The FCC's new digital tools will arm users with real-time information about their broadband connection and the agency with useful data about service across the country. By informing consumers about their broadband service quality, these tools help eliminate confusion and make the market work more effectively."


In a word, baloney. First, the speed test is accurate for some, not so much for others, and way off for others still...not egg-zactly the best path to enlightening consumers, eh?

There are already plenty of available places to test your connection speed, most of which are at least as reliable as this...

There is nothing here that will make the market work more effectively, that is just plain hokum.

I am not really too paranoid however, I just think that this is another "Gee whiz, look how your govt. is looking out for you!" while justifying a few more taxpayer based jobs...

I know, I am just being negative because they would not hire me for the tidal wave lookout position in Kansas that I proposed a few years back...
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chronoss2009
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and now that youve visited the govt spy site

they know what back doors to use on you and can now gleefully enjoy the fruits of thy labours

haha
rule 8 , never visit a gov't website without use of a proxy chain
you are a trusting lot . considering there stance on ACTA

Trimline
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Windermere, FL

Well, that was fun!

Ran the test and the first results were not accurate. Reran the test using another site and it crashed IE 8. LOL...

BHNtechXpert
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Broadband.gov speed test = Fail!

Before getting all hyped that your ISP is failing to deliver based on the Broadband.gov test results you might want to read this...

»www.ispgeeks.com/wild/modules.ph···29#17112

I've spent the last 24 hours testing from different locations with different connections and I can't even give them a "decent" rating without laughing.

I used 3 different testing sources (one of which is mine...I will confess this right up front) and the results pretty much speak for themselves. You are better off still using one of the established testing sites out there vss the broadband.gov site.

The datamining is what really has me disturbed though. There is no reason why they need your address. They can easily obtain the ISP and location through public domain Geo-IP locate databases. This stinks of typical government crap and given our current administration's history you might be best off to give less than accurate information about your address. It's frankly none of their business WHERE you live for this type of testing. Your IP resolves to your ISP and county...that's all they need to know.

mrkevin
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Re: Broadband.gov speed test = Fail!

said by BHNtechXpert:

The datamining is what really has me disturbed though. There is no reason why they need your address. They can easily obtain the ISP and location through public domain Geo-IP locate databases. This stinks of typical government crap and given our current administration's history you might be best off to give less than accurate information about your address. It's frankly none of their business WHERE you live for this type of testing. Your IP resolves to your ISP and county...that's all they need to know.
I agree, and I had the same thoughts when that came up.
They ABSOLUTELY do not need to know this information.
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Re: Broadband.gov speed test = Fail!

said by mrkevin:

said by BHNtechXpert:

The datamining is what really has me disturbed though. There is no reason why they need your address. They can easily obtain the ISP and location through public domain Geo-IP locate databases. This stinks of typical government crap and given our current administration's history you might be best off to give less than accurate information about your address. It's frankly none of their business WHERE you live for this type of testing. Your IP resolves to your ISP and county...that's all they need to know.
I agree, and I had the same thoughts when that came up.
They ABSOLUTELY do not need to know this information.
If you think about it. The only way the government can currently associate an ip with an address is with a court order. By freely giving your information on the FCC speed test site (meaning address) you completely circumvent that requirement. Combine that with essentially a crappy speed test and you have a no winner for me.
paradigmfl

join:2005-07-16

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Having address data allows them to determine right down to the local neighborhood who is getting access and who is not. There has been controversy in the past that poorer areas or otherwise more rural areas were not getting broadband access. This is an issue to the government because it has and will be distributing stimulus money partially to provide broadband for the underserved.

I imagine many people will simply use a nearby address or such (not sure that this strictly legal but whatever). I agree that they should not be requiring address information (only requesting after a polite explanation) however I see where it could be considered helpful towards the stated goals at broadband.gov.

I also very much like the idea of the government partnering with M-lab (who is also researching network neutrality and providing tools for users to test this) and gaining information by which they can better monitor ISPs. I think it can potentially be a huge win for American consumers.

In regards to speedtests themselves there has been issues with ISPs artificially inflating speeds (yet other normal sites get the normal lower speeds) to known speedtests in order to deceive consumers. Perhaps eventually with help from M-lab the government can develop a more accurate test which can catch such things and provide a better metric for American consumers.

mrkevin
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coast to coast

There's no way you can get an accurate speed test when your server is in Seattle...and over 18 hops from me

And if you're only going to have one server, why not put it in a central location like St. Louis

Are you listening FCC??
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Re: coast to coast

said by mrkevin:

There's no way you can get an accurate speed test when your server is in Seattle...and over 18 hops from me

And if you're only going to have one server, why not put it in a central location like St. Louis

Are you listening FCC??
LOL! But as usual the government is clueless about broadband and how it works so in their feeble minds they are doing us all a huge favor....fail!

pokesph
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Inaccurate!


Ookla - first test

Ookla - retest

M-Labs - first test

M-Labs - retest
Looks like these tests, especially the m-labs one, are not too accurate and vary from test to test (all within minutes)

The m-lab's one really looks messed up.

ShadowMastr
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join:2001-09-01
Fort Pierce, FL

Looks ok for me

The mlabs test was very poor, half the d/l speed and 4x more latency and jitter, but the other looked pretty spot on, I have AT&T DSL 6m/512.

If I could get these numbers all the time when actually using, it would be great.
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Madtown
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Main page.

The main page of the site doesn't even finish loading, I think too many people are on there at once.
chuckkk

join:2001-11-10
Warner Robins, GA

Govt Seed test

This .gov speed test is more accurate, consistent, proven, more or less centrally located, and provides diagnostic data
»miranda.ctd.anl.gov
(Even though it's from Obama land!

BHNtechXpert
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Re: Govt Seed test

said by chuckkk:

This .gov speed test is more accurate, consistent, proven, more or less centrally located, and provides diagnostic data
»miranda.ctd.anl.gov
(Even though it's from Obama land!
But apparently incapable of testing anything more than about 10mbps. I just tested from California, Florida and Texas all with very high capacity connections and they all capped at about 11mbps (should have been between 20-100mbps based on the connections used). The test might be okay for those below 10mbps...but nothing higher.
chuckkk

join:2001-11-10
Warner Robins, GA

Re: Govt Seed test

It looks like there is a slow internal link at »miranda.ctd.anl.gov/ that is causing the limit.
Someone must have added a slow router.
nanoflower

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I won't be doing that again.

I was willing to give it a try. Even put in my real address so they could map the data, but when I went to the next page and tried to start the test it crashed Firefox. This is only the second page that I've found to crash the latest Firefox. The other one is that IfICanDream web site which sometimes crashes.

I would much rather use a site that tests speeds without requiring me to give so much identifying information

Its a Secret
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Funny thing...

At the bottom of the first page it says you need java to run the test, but the next page requires flash... So which is it? Java or Flash based?

I think I smell a cow chip.

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Re: Funny thing...

said by Its a Secret:

At the bottom of the first page it says you need java to run the test, but the next page requires flash... So which is it? Java or Flash based?

I think I smell a cow chip.
Naw, that smell is just congress

clickwir

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Cold hard fact

Cold hard fact... this test will be limited by it's own use of Java as the platform for testing.

Sure, it's fairly wide spread. But most people don't use it, if they even have it installed. Those that do have it installed, you have to worry about the 987340958724535 different versions and if it even works.

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Re: Cold hard fact

WOW! there have been that many revisions of Java?
What were the fixes in all of those?

said by clickwir:

Cold hard fact... this test will be limited by it's own use of Java as the platform for testing.
Those that do have it installed, you have to worry about the 987340958724535 different versions and if it even works.
Core0000
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What the heck is Jitter?

Anyways, I took the test the first time, used OKLA.. and got
6479 kbps Download
509 kbps up

The jitter and Latency test did not work..

Second time time it was going to use a different service to do the test, but it did not work..

Took the test a third time with OKLA again.. and got
7377 kbps Down
723 kbps up
Lat 58ms
Jitter 20ms

Anyways, Newwave must have some kind of boost thing or something or the sites some how way off. I subscribe to 6/1 services from newwave.

compuguybna

join:2009-06-17
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Re: What the heck is Jitter?

By the way folks, OOKLA is the host of such speed tests as SPEAKEASY, SPEEDTEST.NET and a few others.

The test is usually very inaccurate, and a little on the HIGH side.

I can't believe the FTC is using OOKLA to host their speedtest...

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Re: What the heck is Jitter?

said by compuguybna:

By the way folks, OOKLA is the host of such speed tests as SPEAKEASY, SPEEDTEST.NET and a few others.

The test is usually very inaccurate, and a little on the HIGH side.

I can't believe the FTC is using OOKLA to host their speedtest...
The Ookla test is probably fine for connections 20mbps and under. Beyond that the http based test they use fails to deliver consistent results at higher speeds. A socket based test would be preferred.
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verizon recommends speedtest.net

but I get better results here:

»speedtest.tds.net/

Really, the results you care about are the actual use to the servers you connect to for web & other data xfers be it p2p or otherwise.. 25megabits nets you about 3.2 megabytes of data per sec-- pretty sweet if your connection remains rock solid.. and it's tough to get that consistent from many senders of data. I won't go into specifics.. but even most cablemodems top out @ 15 megabits upload, so unless the other end is rock solid on the upstream you can get the "upto" performance mixed in.. BTW, the sad fact is I only have a 400gb hard drive so, until I upgrade to a 2tb drive.. FIOS will be 'under utilized'.. hehe

Hopefully if we consumers find a DEMAND(aka use) for the service.. that in theory should bring more consumers onboard & bring prices down.. in reality-- Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, Cablevision and Time Warner are greedy companies who don't usually have the consumer's best interests in mind... so it will be a tug of war to get there.

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john131971

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Rofl

Not sure if I should laugh or cry about all this, wonders about all the millions spent for a speed test. Another example of mismanagement and bloatware.

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