 | | No money for them I don't think they need any Gov't money unless there are serious strings attached.
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But, with so many people demanding that the gov't spend billions of dollars to expand broadband and run fiber everywhere and that the new broadband footprint be open to multiple ISPs(open access), then why would Verizon build out more fiber on its own?
Let the government do it and then swoop in and offer their services over the government last mile fiber. If I was Verizon mgt, that is what I would do. Very little capital expenditure would be needed. Just some switches and routers and servers and they are in business. | |
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Grove City, PA | Re: No money for them I imagine VZ would fight muni fiber tooth and nail, they want their own network and do with it as they please. Though maybe that could change with new management.
And muni BB creates two new issues, for me at least. Privacy and cost. This administration seems to believe every home, no matter the cost of deployment, be served. That's just insane.
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kudos:1 | Re: No money for them said by rawgerz:This administration seems to believe every home, no matter the cost of deployment, be served. That's just insane. Do you believe every home should be served with POTS service? electricity? fire department? police service? yellow school bus service? | |
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Wow, so would you be willing to go without? | |
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kudos:3 | Re: No money for them Chalk that up to a troll.. 
The items listed were necessities in life.. you kinda need them in order to survive.. well, not really the school bus.. that just depends on where you live. The second half of high school I took the city bus... Jr High I walked to school no bus service. The rest of the years I lived in Farm Country so the buses ran. | |
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| | | | | | | | | Re: No money for them You need eletricity to survive? How did people live in the 1800's?
In fact, you don't and its nice luxury. Stop stealing our money and using force to decide how to use it. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: No money for them Um... yea.. Electricity is a necessity.. it's deemed one, it's required in any dwelling that you intend to live in as primary residence, etc. What do you not understand about that?
I won't even entertain that argument of yours. | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: No money for them said by fiberguy:Um... yea.. Electricity is a necessity.. it's deemed one, it's required in any dwelling that you intend to live in as primary residence, etc. What do you not understand about that? I won't even entertain that argument of yours. I WILL entertain that argument of his. *Who* "deems" it necessary? The government? I thought you don't even like the government. Why is it necessary to live? Why can't you simply MOVE (as you are so fond of saying) outside of the city and become self-reliant, growing your own food and avoiding SOCIALIZED government services that provide electricity and food to insanely dense urban areas?
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Grove City, PA | Re: No money for them said by fiberguy:"live outside the city and become self-reliant".. how are you going to keep perishable food cold? ... The Amish still use Ice boxes. Every winter before refrigeration someone had to go out onto lakes and ponds to cut up ice and store it in holes in the ground insulated with sawdust. I guess it lasted all year long too. Fun fact, I know.
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| Re: No money for them said by rawgerz:said by fiberguy:"live outside the city and become self-reliant".. how are you going to keep perishable food cold? ... The Amish still use Ice boxes. Every winter before refrigeration someone had to go out onto lakes and ponds to cut up ice and store it in holes in the ground insulated with sawdust. I guess it lasted all year long too. Fun fact, I know. Actually, it really depends nowadays with the Amish (not to hijack... I just thought this to be interesting.) If they're Old-Order Amish, then yes, everything is strict... however, we visit Strasburg (PA) quite often. The New-Order Amish actually use propane to power many items, including a refrigerator (!!!) It was very eye-opening from what I thought the normal Amish lived like.
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The Mennonites are the same way. One church east of my farm in Oklahoma requires you to remove your car's radio antenna and replace the radio with a blank face plate. Our Mennonite church doesn't give a flip. For that matter, its a race to see who can have the most flashy and highest priced new truck. And yes, we use computers and the internet in our Mennonite community. | |
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kudos:3 | It is a fun fact.. I live near Amish territory here in MN/WI...
... The thing I was trying to get across to someone that simply likes to argue every point I make why TRYING to prove me to be 'wrong' is that he was saying that electricity isn't a necessity... but in today's civil society it has been deemed "a necessity"... he's one of those people that likes to play devils advocate as the "norm" and use extreme examples in the spirit of "gotchya" just to show that there is another story.. which there always is...
What he doesn't know is that the first 5 years of my life I grew up in a cabin in a small town called Weaverville, CA, just north of redding.. we had propane lighting and fridge and the most up to date luxury we had was a party line telephone service that took care of 5 total houses.. was an interesting up-bring.. not to mention, my roots were always VERY rural countryside.. | |
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New Orleans, LA | Re: No money for them said by fiberguy:What he doesn't know is that the first 5 years of my life I grew up in a cabin in a small town called Weaverville, CA, just north of redding.. we had propane lighting and fridge and the most up to date luxury we had was a party line telephone service that took care of 5 total houses.. was an interesting up-bring.. not to mention, my roots were always VERY rural countryside.. Sounds like another one of your stories that I doubt is true. | |
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1 edit | said by apple4ever:You need eletricity to survive? How did people live in the 1800's? In fact, you don't and its nice luxury. Stop stealing our money and using force to decide how to use it. They had fireplaces for cooking and heating. Most homes built today do not have traditional wood-burning fireplaces. Thank you for offering to build EVERY home in America a wood-burning fireplace. Can't do it, you say? Then ELECTRICITY IS A NECESSITY.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: No money for them said by mahermusic:said by apple4ever:You need eletricity to survive? How did people live in the 1800's? In fact, you don't and its nice luxury. Stop stealing our money and using force to decide how to use it. They had fireplaces for cooking and heating. Most homes built today do not have traditional wood-burning fireplaces. Thank you for offering to build EVERY home in America a wood-burning fireplace. Can't do it, you say? Then ELECTRICITY IS A NECESSITY. I'm sure they can adapt. I'm also sure if they want to live in a cold climate then they can pay to build a wood-burning fireplace, and stop demanding that taxpayers pay for the extension and maintenance of electricity to their homes. | |
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: No money for them Say you live in a city, and suddenly electricity was no longer supplied for anything.
How is clean water going to get to your home? And with no water being pumped, where do you sanitarily use the bathroom? How do you cook your food in a home without a fireplace or wood burning stove? Do you have a root cellar under your house to store food that needs to stay cool for long term storage, since you can't use a fridge?
Yes, people survived in the 1800's and earlier. But that's the key word, SURVIVED. That's not a word that can be thrown around lightly. No one can say that nowadays, that they survived another day.
So yes, since homes and facilities have been built with a RELIANCE on electricity, it would be very hard to survive in the 21st century without.
Perhaps if you're one of the few people still living on farm land with a farm house that was made for such things, then maybe you can survive without electricity.
But it shows no actual thought on your part by just saying "people lived in the 1800's without it!" | |
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| said by LeftOfSanity:You don't think every home should be served with electricity? Wow, so would you be willing to go without? The question is, who should pay to receive that electricity? The person who chooses to live in the middle of nowhere or the person who choose to live somewhere that it was cheaper to deliver electricity to? | |
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Grove City, PA | Let's not try to compare apples to oranges.
Have you ever been to places like WV or rural parts of PA? There's a lot of homes out there that aren't even worth 20K and those living inside can't afford basic DSL or don't even own a computer to begin with. What's the point of wasting possibly billions of dollars to pass homes that will never want internet access? Gloating?
The only responsible way of doing it in rural areas is if they ask for it. Maybe even require a deposit from the sheer expense.
Just to give you an idea of the cost, if they strung fiber down every mile of road in the US it would cost 80 billion dollars. (4,000,000 miles * $20,000 per mile)
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kudos:3 | Re: No money for them said by rawgerz:Just to give you an idea of the cost, if they strung fiber down every mile of road in the US it would cost 80 billion dollars. (4,000,000 miles * $20,000 per mile) But what's 80 billion dollars to this administration?? ... hell, of the 750 reinvestment act, they've only spend 1/3 of the money so far... there's 80 billion right there, that they could also pay back and save us even more billions.. My great grandchildren are ALREADY in debt.. sad. | |
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| | | | | | | said by rawgerz:Let's not try to compare apples to oranges. Have you ever been to places like WV or rural parts of PA? There's a lot of homes out there that aren't even worth 20K and those living inside can't afford basic DSL or don't even own a computer to begin with. What's the point of wasting possibly billions of dollars to pass homes that will never want internet access? Gloating? The only responsible way of doing it in rural areas is if they ask for it. Maybe even require a deposit from the sheer expense. Just to give you an idea of the cost, if they strung fiber down every mile of road in the US it would cost 80 billion dollars. (4,000,000 miles * $20,000 per mile) Ah I love arguments like this. So much better than arguing with weirdos like fiber guy.
There are two aspects to your complaints about poor people. One is just how many of those people are actually unable to afford broadband, exactly? The FCC has been accumulating real data on this, and the numbers are far less than you make it seem.
The second is just *why* are those people poor? Why are their jobs so unproductive and why are their wages so low? Just as no man is an island, no household is an island either. Providing high-speed access to a rural locale provides them with significant opportunity to recruit new businesses who want to lower costs by basing outside of cities while teleconferencing and trading data with other more populated divisions.
Finally, you fail to actually cite the cost of passing fiber to these homes. Rural telecoms around the world as well as in the US have found the cost to bring fiber to rural locales is not significantly higher than doing it for urban homes. This has a lot to do with rural homes mostly being situated alongside main roads as opposed to in the middle of nowhere.
Any sane cost analysis involved in a plan to bring fiber to the majority of US homes would of course make provisions for the truly out of reach homes, say perhaps the last 5% that would cost $30,000/house. For those people next-generation satellite and wireless services will do. | |
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Grove City, PA | Re: No money for them My source is straight from a higher up in a cable co. 20K per mile for a simple string of fiber. | |
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Bon Aqua, TN
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| i'd happily sign a two to even four year contract at 60 a month for 6 mbps service, with 200 down for installation.. Mind you I would like it to state that i'll have at least 90 percent uptime on the connection, or i'll get a partial refund for time lost beyond that. I just want latency to be around 150ms or less and for my connect to be stable. | |
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POTS service, where practical. Maybe low cost satellite phones should be available for extremely BFE areas.
Fire department, yes. Police department, yes. School bus service? A big fat no. Many other countries put the responsibility on parents to provide transportation to school, and there are plenty of mass transit options in big cities that students ride all the time. School buses are a big fat waste, IMO. | |
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kudos:3 | Also agree.. NO gov't money.. besides, WHO in their right mind would want telecom to get the money anyway?? Just think of how much that connection would ultimately cost anyway..
Verizon isn't THAT much cheaper than cable.. and when you factor in the years of higher taxes, which you have to delegate some of that tax increase to, you're really not saving any money are ya?? I'd rather the telecoms build out their own networks and charge me directly than to pay telecom AND the government.
The only thing I take a back seat to with your post is that I'd not want government touching any of the transport lines.. we've already seen many uneducated politicians try to impost restrictions on them that clearly violate the 1st.. not to mention, quicker access to the data that runs over them as well. (Note: I'm not against wire tapping, just want it done legally is all) | |
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bailout is different than encouraging them to service less profitable areas. Last I checked they are still a business!
The last business that was "encouraged" to serve less profitable areas was the mortgage companies, look what it go us. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: No money for them said by SArcanine:The thing is that Verizon's executives will refuse money unless it has no strings attached, so offering them money with strings attached is pointless. Agreed!
Soooo... IF they were to blow the money ... then since Verizon is acting like "they don't care" then fine... I'd go to the competitor and offer THEM the money instead.. and to be honest, pull out some of the strings.. just to slap VZ in the face.. especially after the last time they got tax money and never spent it. | |
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| | | | | Re: No money for them said by fiberguy:said by SArcanine:The thing is that Verizon's executives will refuse money unless it has no strings attached, so offering them money with strings attached is pointless. Agreed! Soooo... IF they were to blow the money ... then since Verizon is acting like "they don't care" then fine... I'd go to the competitor and offer THEM the money instead.. and to be honest, pull out some of the strings.. just to slap VZ in the face.. especially after the last time they got tax money and never spent it. Indeed, many critics make that same point. Handing out money to incumbents to serve areas that already have internet is just stupid. | |
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Somerset, KY | My opinion is while I am against government money being distributed to ISP for broadband.. If they are going to send it.. send it to someone who knows what there doing. And Verizon I am sure has gotten it down pat. | |
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Golden, CO
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| Figures I'm guessing Verizon's central TX markets will get sold off to Windstream sooner than later. Granted, this will mean that the ILEC will offer 12 Mbps DSL instead of 3 Mbps or 7 Mbps, but it'll take serious competition to get fiber rolled out at that point.
That said, Verizon LTE can probably do 15/5 realistically, once their footprint is totally built out. They aren't going to deliver TV over LTE, but at least internet speeds will be better than 7/768.
At least everyone using Comcast will have the option for very high speed internet (12-50 Mbps), with 100 Mbps getting to everyone eventually (I'm guessing year-end 2012). For everyone else in Verizon markets though I'm guessing that the cableco will sit back and make do with what they have, or introduce expensive DOCSIS 3 tiers that don't positively impact speeds available on the low end. Ah well... | |
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| Re: Figures at least big red offers yall DSL. Here in Lavon (NE of Dallas) big red only offers POTS. Wylie, which boarders Lavon on the west, has FIOS and the footprint continues west and north. I wonder if Lavon (actually Nevada since that is where the CO is) will ever get upgraded or if we will be sold off.... | |
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Levittown, PA | Costs and Price That's all it really boils down to. Connecting a home with fiber is way more expensive then with cable. Verizon has attempted to reduce that expense with a more expensive product. But just like they don't want to pay more then they have to. Customers don't want to pay more then they have to. and though fios is better its only slightly better. Not really worth it.... What they really need is something to put them over the edge. something that makes everyone flock to them but doesn't cost them more to do. My suggestion Go HD only free up all the costs of SD simulcasts and put software on the cable box that steps down the output for your TV. and don't charge more for it. Hopefully that can drop the cost down enough to bring customers in and on top of that it Opens up new bandwidth, makes the user experience better. All the grand moms with the little digital adapters don't see a difference. you don't have 2 or 3 of every channel i think its just better. Not sure if that has the cost/benefit ratio they need to shift the balance but I would sure like it. | |
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"Seidenberg, the driving force behind the first wave of FiOS, is on his way out -- and his replacements aren't quite as bullish on angering investors for the sake of this whole "future" thing."
Explain to me again why investing in the future of a companies infrastructure is angering to the shareholders? Yes their short term profits are a little smaller because of the investment, however the continued success of the company doing the investing on the future overall infrastructure ensures that the company (and it's stock) STAY on top permanently.
Mark my words... now that Verizon has stopped investing in the future of their network, this is the time that Comcast and others have to make up the difference and could eventually pass Verizon in the long run race.
Again its always the companies fear of their shareholders screwing things up for overall company growth. Don't get me wrong, I am an investor myself, but I have the where-with-all to invest in companies making sound long term decisions about their infrastructures (whatever they may be) and avoid these companies looking for the quick fix like the plague. | |
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| | GREED Our own goverment is destroying this country not just corp entitys. | |
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| Re: GREED said by bcltoys:Our own goverment is destroying this country not just corp entitys. In many cases the government is following the orders of the corporations. | |
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Colorado Springs, CO | Re: GREED Agreed, something upwards of 90% of the laws being passed by congress are now written by corporate lawyers. | |
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| So, how's that "bold and brilliant decision" working for ya? I've often posted on this site the contrarian view that just maybe AT&T got it right and Verizon got it wrong. Looks like events are proving this contrarian correct.
AT&T decided to spend their money building out fiber to all but the last mile, and creating a new state of the art video infrastructure (all on their IP network), and simultaneously creating an all fiber network in greenfields and servicing that with the same infrastructure. This allows them advanced features like whole house DVR. Then they decided to invest in improving that FTTN architecture with VDSL2, and they can now run 18/1.5 Internet and 4 video streams (2 HD) and 2 phone streams all at the same time, and can even wedge in 24/3 Internet when you're not running full out on the video. No it's not 100 megabit but it's good enough for the vast majority of customers. They are building out the network and adding customers about as fast as they can and are returning significant profit and have made significant inroads on cable, certainly measured by the spate of attack ads Cable has generated against AT&T. Their passing costs are 1/3 that of Verizon. AT&T now has the option of spending the extra money to build out selected brownfield areas with FTTP as they wish to, rather than being forced to lay fiber just to get the next customer.
By contrast, Verizon decided to spend their money on last mile fiber. They did not invest in state of the art video delivery -- they still depend on essentially RF over optical. They did not invest in improving their provisioning and support systems, nor did they integrate with their other services such as wireless. It's basically a fast dumb pipe, like many here say they really want.
Well guess what. The payback on that investment isn't there. Now they are waiting for a bailout by the taxpayers.
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Santa Maria, CA | Thank God For Comcast 12 times faster for the same price. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Thank God For Comcast Even cable internet with a congested node is still faster and a better deal than DSL lol | |
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| You can always use your unlimited Verizon cell to stream ;) Plus hook it up to your computer for unlimited uncapped super fast bandwidth. What more do you want .
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| Re: You can always use your unlimited Verizon cell to stream ;) said by PapaMidnight:said by nonymous:Plus hook it up to your computer for unlimited uncapped super fast bandwidth. What more do you want . You really need to think of the short term shareholder. In America we have no long term future anyways. "Unlimited" is a 5GB cap. Might want to re-check that AUP. You did not notice the ? | |
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| FiOS is Here Verizon ran fiber through my neighborhood back in August 2008 and lit it up several months later. However, there is no price advantage over Cablevision and with their $360 ETF and "FCC Line Charge" fees, it is too risky to test out.
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| | One word... SUCKS!!!!!!!
investors today have such short attention spans that they cannot focus on the longer term rewards of being the only next-gen telco in markets.
What good is Cisco's new fancy dancy switch if the last mile is still on 50+ year old tech!!!???
And that LTE thingy???? Hmph, I'll believe it when I see it.
Broadband in the States just sucks!!! I'm movin' to Tokyo.
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Mechanicsburg, PA | Re: One word... sayonara, dude. | |
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| enablers of industry greed let's face it, both democrats and republicans alike enabled the largest industry in the USA to run roughshod over consumer's rights (an acceleration of) during the past 15 or so years.. from telecom reform right through these deployment years which led to jettisoning portions of the footprint that are too costly to deploy.
** although there is a method to the madness, we will probably likely see a combining of many of the smaller carriers to make one GIANT little guy similar to qwest.. but DEVOID of all the debt they agreed to be saddled with by filing for bankruptcy. Then, debt free.. they can ride to the rescue with deployment of networks that will bring a decent return on investment....
Yeah.. ok, that's the fantasy but the reality is if those jettisoned and/or not deployed with fiber optics into your community by the end of 2010... you will have to go it alone and build your own. All gloves come off and you have to fight for it.. don't let ANY INCUBMENT CARRIER BLOCK YOUR DEPLOYMENT!!! Especially when they won't do it themselves. If more than 3% of customers in a geography have called the incumbent carrier and gotten no response about deployment then we the consumer can be considered ABANDONED and you *MUST* take matters into your own hands and get something started.
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3 edits | Awesome said by "Resolution 10-07: Franchise Agreement with Verizon Maryland, Inc. for Cable System in Baltimore County" :3.1.1.1 Density Requirement: Franchisee shall make Cable Services available to residential dwelling units in all areas of the Service Area where the density is equal to or greater than 30 dwelling units per mile as measured in strand footage from the nearest connection point on the active FTTP Network trunk or feeder line. Should, through new construction, an area within a designated Service Area meet the density requirements after the time stated for providing Cable Service as set forth in Subsections 3.1.1 and 3.1.2 respectively, Franchisee shall provide Cable Service to such area within one (1) year of receiving notice from the LFA that the density requirements have been met. » www.baltimorecountymd.gov/county···ons.html Way to honor the franchise agreement with the Baltimore County Council to service all of Baltimore County, Verizon. Nice to be here in Pikesville sitting in my nice little townhouse teased by all these commercials for Verizon FiOS and the fact that I won't ever get it because the lazy clowns (I'm being nice, forgive me) at either S&N Communications (the contractor Verizon hired to dig and lay fiber in my area) and/or Verizon decided to stop at exactly ONE block up my street. To add insult to injury, in December of 2007, my block was even on the list of streets to have fiber laid. Hell, they even nicely came in and tagged the place with green, orange and blue lines of paint. Took a nice 3 months for the rain to wash that away. Well, here we are 3 years later. Nice to know a whole lot of good came of it.
Edit: I've had this page bookmarked for about 3 years now: »www22.verizon.com/about/communit···ion.html
Might as well remove that...
Edit 2: Ha Ha! I just noticed that page hasn't even been updated for March and it's what? The 12th? That one gives me a good laugh. | |
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mlr_90Premium
join:2006-10-29
Ridgeway, VA | Broadband - must be nice I would be happy to have even DSL over copper. Damn - where I live I can't get cable (Comcast requires 20 houses in a mile - we have 17) and Centurylink doesn't want to upgrade equipment either. We're stuck with EVDO which I guess is better than nothing but we are always concerned about our usage. Netflix streaming - forget it. Youtube - barely works. VOIP - yeah right. Money needs to be spent on areas that have NO broadband instead of all the upgrades elsewhere. | |
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| jbrewno
join:2010-01-21
Port Byron, NY Reviews:
·Millenicom
| Re: Broadband - must be nice said by mlr_90:I would be happy to have even DSL over copper. Damn - where I live I can't get cable (Comcast requires 20 houses in a mile - we have 17) and Centurylink doesn't want to upgrade equipment either. We're stuck with EVDO which I guess is better than nothing but we are always concerned about our usage. Netflix streaming - forget it. Youtube - barely works. VOIP - yeah right. Money needs to be spent on areas that have NO broadband instead of all the upgrades elsewhere. Im with you, I cant get DSL or Cable. Im stuck on dial up. I live 1000 FT away from time warners lines and about 2000 FT out of DSL range. F-M-L. | |
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| | Is Google's FTTP/H plan in this picture?? Perhaps the answer lies with Google's FTTH/P plan. Is there an "Open Network" plan in the works for fiber? Or perhaps merger? A joint effort by Google and VZ would be interesting and a big financial boost. | |
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xdeadhead220, 221, Whatever It Takes.Premium
join:2000-11-08
Mechanicsburg, PA Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
·Comcast
| all this is is a break to get the have nots talking about why they dont have and when enough places whine and complain, then they start the buildout again. but since they are in the process of laying off 12 thousand plus union and management workers, i dont think they want to make it appear that there is enough work around to justify keeping all those folks on the payroll. thats the way i see it anyway. | |
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| | Waiting for the future or we're all bozos on this bus? They don't have the luxury of waiting till markets or investors want to spent...First there is a Change comming that the providers are trying to stop/milk till they can't anymore. The change is that people will, get this CEOs, CHOOSE what they want without the providers being VZ or At$t or Xfollish we don't need 200 channels nor watch them at the same time. IPTV is the future with or without them. They will be a pipe nothing more.......Innovate or die.... | |
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Guess: Cut expenses, maximize stock price