 | | U.S. price double France, Britain Karl
Thanks for including me in your article. Thought I'd drop by and make clear I think it scandalous that T isn't offering higher speeds at decent prices. In France, 50-100 megabit down is less than $40. In Britain, less than $50. In the U.S., comparable is $99 or more.
With competition that weak, I'm projecting AT&T will not offer the high speeds soon or at a decent price. I hope I'm wrong. db | |
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 | | | Re: U.S. price double France, Britain I bet you're right. AT&T doesnt' care how fast our speeds are. They just care if our money is reaching their bank accounts.
I've seen some speed test results in some parts north of UK, and France, and I noticed speeds above 50MBPS. Can't find one ISP with that speed here.
Especially with these so called T1 services I search for which offer 6mbps (noticed a school has that speed, and they have Corporate T1) | |
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moes
join:2009-11-15
Indianapolis, IN Reviews:
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| subject Basically it's like this. AT&T knows it has the customers by the balls and that they have a user base that really does not give a shit about speed long as it works.
I am not one of those, I am really hoping somebody bites the hand that feeds them and forces them back to the 1900's and takes away all there profit margins and products. Hell let's make it GT&T.
Only way out of this is for either verison to stop being cry babies and start deploying over at&t lines to get more people on fios and comcast needs to re look at there strategy and start pushing there services for a cheaper price and more heavily in at&t area's. Big bell needs it's ass handed to it. | |
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| | Slow enough, for sure "Fast enough" is why I switched from DSL to Comcast. | |
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 en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | AT&T's accuracy is based on what they provide.. Not what the consumer wants... but its what they sell.
I.E. Triple play $117/month -> 3Mbps/1Mbps internet
TWC Triple play $110/month -> 15/1Mbps Internet.
Hmm.. our customers don't seem to want higher speed... because we'll add on another $20/month for what comes as standard on TWC.
Interestingly enough, even though I need a Uverse box, for TV or phone, it appears as if I need to be charged a $3/month equipment fee for internet. | |
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join:2007-02-26
Wichita, KS | ATT is full of BS ATT thinks whatever speeds aren't needed then answer is wrong, there's around world are blazing fast speed even more than you, ATT brat.
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| ATT I retired from SBC, I wonder why they arent switching to COAX and using cable technology to convert phone to IP and offer tv.
There is some difference in 911 service on IP phone, but IMHO that could be overcome..
One note, I have DSL, and I believe you should pay for what you get. You want speed, pay up.. Let the market decide the price.
I am on a budget, and if the bill goes up I will drop my speed to keep in budget. | |
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| moes
join:2009-11-15
Indianapolis, IN | Re: ATT First these telco's need to get off there butts and get everybody wired and get with the pricing I see over in the EU. Then we can talk about market pricing and such. | |
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join:2008-05-04
Somerset, KY Reviews:
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| Speeds.... How are they able to say, that they offer speeds which there customers are satisfied with? Do they have polls or something all the time?
If my cable company says... we offer speeds x, y and z.. if z is the top tier, I'm not gonna ask and say "Can I get faster speeds?" nor am I going to troll my cable company telling them how they need to do better.
I'm the kind of person that takes these things at face value, especially if no information is given that they are flexible on speeds...or that higher speeds are even available.
I say this in general, because they just sound so confident that there customers are getting what they want. And I've never seen any polls, so I am curious how they find this out. How ISP finds this info out, without asking their customers. | |
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 io chicoPremium
join:2003-12-30
Magalia, CA
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| Rural gets cheated again Companies keep tripping over themselves adding more speed to metro areas that already have service. While we, who live 10 miles outside of town, get no true broadband. No DSL or cable here.
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join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | Re: Rural gets cheated again Chico
If you reread the article you will note that this MAY be more important to extending the range of DSL than it is to increasing the speed. My thread on Distance addresses this very point. | |
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join:2002-11-19
Fontana, CA | Reading comprehension much? Most of these comments seem to be missing the point. What this article is saying, is that the 25M vDSL/Fiber To the Node service is good enough for the vast majority of users. Thus, they aren't using pair bonding to push out 50M or 80M to sell, but to get that same 25M vDSL to more users that were previously not far enough out to get it. This sounds like smart business to me. Why work on getting a lucky few 80M, when you can expand your 25M footprint?
I have U-Verse at home, get 18M down and 2M up. This is significantly better than what Time Warner offers in my area, and the television service is also a vast improvement. I don't see any need for more than a 25M pipe to my house. I'm able to get 18M internet and HDTV into 3 rooms over that pipe...good enough for me. Not to mention that when ATT goes FTTN they can easily extend that to the curb in 10-15 years when that much bandwidth is actually necessary.
I get it, 6M DSL sucks. This article states they'll be using pair bonding to extend the 25M vDSL for IPTV/internet. This will get you 18M internet. How is this a bad thing?
I'm a very heavy internet user, but when I'm downloading at 1.8 Megabytes per second and my hard drive is chugging along trying to keep up, I'm not hankering to pay more to upgrade to 50M :P | |
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join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | Re: Reading comprehension much? If your hard drive is having problems keeping up with 1.8MB/s then it is either VERY old or there is something wrong with it. Even my old 250GB drive will keep up with 40MB/s with ease (standard old ide). Most current drives are rated at over 100MB/s. 100Mbps Ethernet works out to only 9.5MB/s(real world) and even GigE is only 95MB/s(again real world). So a hard drive not being able to keep up with any residential internet service is not going to be a problem in the foreseeable future. | |
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| countdown.. Let us mark this occasion to begin the countdown until AT&T has to change course and head for fttp... what, 5 years?
Comcast's speeds and/or prices can't remain stagnant for much longer.. can they?
Remember the stagnation of Bell Atlantic trying to compete with Cablevision/Time Warner from 1996-2003. So goes at&t's mistake with Comcast.
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| | DSL is fast enough for what is and will be available .. .. for next 10 years in the United States.
Have been using a S/ADSL link since 1999 and for what is available on the interconnected networks, the present speed is fine. Started at 768 now up to 3,000.
The bottleneck is really at the server of the item you want access to.
But that is too simple for most consumers and not helpful for TelCos and CableCos to sell "faster" speeds at higher rates, for a bigger monthly take.
But everyone has their own subjective needs to satisfy.
Mine are simple compared to the multitude on these web logs. | |
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 heat84Bit Torrent Apologist
join:2004-03-11
Fort Lauderdale, FL | Why can't they just do DOC SIS 3.0? Its different technology but its the same copper.
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join:2002-01-17
Dallas, TX
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1 edit | Re: Why can't they just do DOC SIS 3.0? said by heat84:Its different technology but its the same copper. Because twisted copper pair and coaxial cables are so different in terms of electrical characteristics. The only thing they share is the type of metal used... copper.
For example coaxial is good for more than 1GHz while twisted copper pairs can't even handle 8.5 MHz beyond 2,500 feet. DOCSIS1.0 channels use 6 Mhz wide channels in the 88-860 MHz range for downstream and from 5 to 44 MHz in the upstream band. Try to do that using a twisted pair cable 
For the telcos the only options are:
1. xDSL technologies (ADSL, ADSL2+, VDSL, VDSL2, VDSL2+ etc) using twisted pair cables.
2. Deploy 100% fiber.
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join:2001-10-28
Hialeah, FL | Broadband fast enough? If AT&T can get me out of 1.5Mbps I will be a very happy man. | |
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| | Why talk about 80 I still can't get over 1.5 Mbps in the old BellSouth area that I live in NE of ATL. Why talk about 80? | |
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join:2001-01-03
Chicago, IL
1 edit | Price 6mbps = $20
12mbps = $30
24mbps = $40
Those would be fair prices. Although the upload needs to be the same as the download speed. | |
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| | | Re: more bs hype to stipulate better alternative, monopoly how much proffit does att earn a year ?
where i live you cant get cable,and my home is only able to get 3/256 with at&t and it is poor at time's and the cost of that speed is 50% more than it should be but we pay it because there's no alternative other than just shutting it off
same thing with tv only choice here is sat which i did shut off
seeing how i got a ton of channels and only wanted about 10 of them and i was no longer going to pay for the other crap that was forced on me so my internet connection will soon get the axe and my biggest hope is others do the same until these companys either fold or do the right thing for once | |
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| | | | Re: more bs hype to stipulate better alternative, monopoly I'm in a rural area with no options for service. Centurylink (or whatever it's called this week) has been the only provider for the 10+ years that I've lived there, and the fastest speed they offer is 1.5. I'm probably paying more for this crap than the rest of you pay for service that is 4x faster.
Without any competition, these companies have no reason to invest in the tech to make it any faster. I just think it sucks that the only way I'll ever get faster internet is to move to a new house.
I wish these telcos would give up one or two percent of their precious profits and invest in some infrastructure improvements. What is it going to take to catch up to the rest of the world???  | |
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| |  Thank goodness I am moving and can get cable again
I don't know if it's just ATT or anything. I only know I have 4 years experience and Cable beats ANY speed DSL att puts out. | |
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1 edit | Synonymous for: We're losers - all we we have is PR dribble AT&T: Our Broadband Is Fast Enough - Synonymous for: We're losers - all we we have is PR dribble!
AT&T is definitely not fast enough for the telecommuting I do. My time is too valuable to piss away waiting on the 6/0.768 Mbps DSL line. No U-verse on my street yet, though it's been in town for years. I live in a dense suburb and they still haven't even started on my block.
Meanwhile, Comcast rolled out 50/10 Mbps, I signed up and it works. They are consistently over delivering. I see 62/15 Mbps regularly and 62/20 Mbps as a very late night peak speed.
Even during the dreaded Sunday evening, when everyone is using the Internet, I still see 35/12 Mbps as a minimum. I need to cancel my DSL. AT&T's fastest isn't fast enough for me. Much as I've hated Comcast over the years, but I can't argue with the speed and reliability of the Comcast 50/10 Mbps Internet service at my particular location.
Over the last 10 years I've worked with the cable company (Comcast, etc..) and AT&T to fix the bad wire, bad connections, broken terminators, etc. on my street. It's been a long time intensive battle, but it's worth it and I'm seeing the rewards now. (Any time I had trouble, AT&T would keep trying to bump me down from 6/0.768 to 3/0.512 . Which I refused multiple time and actually had them fix the problems so I got the 6/0.768 reliably, but it's too slow, too late in light of Comcast 50/10 Mbps that ROCKS up to 62/15+ Mbps!!!)
So you may not get results as good as what I get at my location. Sometimes there's nothing you can do. Other times you can work with the companies and help the techs to fix the infrastructure issues that affect your street and your location to get better, faster, more reliable service for everyone on your street. It's not easy, but sometimes, it's possible. | |
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more bs hype to stipulate better alternative, monopoly