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Comments on news posted 2010-06-25 10:35:56: Driven by AT&T's recent decision to impose caps from 200 MB to 2 GB and monthly overages up to $15, CNET's running an article that claims that those upset by this new shift toward high overages shouldn't be. ..

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33358088
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until its proved

minorities use bandwidth too.
WHAT A RACIST COMPANY


nothing00

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You forgot to note a key phrase "providers of bandwidth-intensive content" must pay. This is the telco providers dream, charging Google, Netflix, etc for access to their customers already paying for service.

expert007

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As one of the supposed minorities who would benefit...

I ask with all sincerity....WTF??

33358088
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and they want to allow this behaviour to invest and run ISPS

and they want to allow this behavior to invest and run ISPS in canada.

I SAY NO WAY HOSE ( a minority name in no way meant to impail any racist view nor does the site the occupants or my underpants have anything to do with this view )


88615298
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So let me get this straight

So this new crappy pricing scheme will allow minorities and other poor folks to also enjoy this crappy pricing scheme. This is his point?

Excuse me what can you do TODAY with 2 GB let alone in 2020? And please no one bring up the fact that 2 GB is plenty for a cell phone because this guy CLEARLY mentions BROADBAND use which I take as HOME PC use. You might as well stick with dial-up. At least you can get 17 GB a month from that.

So the FCC wants to take away free OTA TV from these very same poor folk and give it to these at&t idiots so they can charge these poor folks outrageous fees for "broadband" that is limited to 2 GB a month?

I am apparently missing the upside to all of this. Someone explain please.


Ben
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Huh?

quote:
With this flat-rate pricing approach, for example, almost one in five African Americans would still lack home broadband connectivity in 2020. A nearly comparable share of Hispanics and lower-income white Americans also would remain offline. In the face of rising bandwidth demand and the rising cost to accommodate it, the flat-fee pricing approach will perpetuate digital divides based on income, race, and ethnicity.
     Why?  Or how?

     In a great many places, including in these "inner cities," DSL is available, and there's a $20/mo. tier for 768Kbps/384Kbps (or was it 128Kbps upload?).  Therefore, I don't buy the argument that the present way of doing things prevents anyone from getting on the Internet.

     $20/mo. is not a lot of money at all; anyone can afford that.

     There are even free ways to get onto the Internet, or at least most of the WWW (HTTP and HTTPS), since many public libraries offer that.  I say most because public libraries often won't allow the viewing of pornography or other adult material, but that sort of thing really shouldn't be viewed in any sort of public setting.

     So again, just how is the current way of doing things disadvantageous to anyone, with regards to Internet access?

     At this point, the only people who don't have broadband are those who don't want it for whatever reason (a very small number that grows smaller every day), or can't get it at a reasonable cost, which is the case in many rural communities.


jjoshua
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Re: So let me get this straight

Yes. Everyone is being ripped off equally.


Ben
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said by 88615298:

I am apparently missing the upside to all of this. Someone explain please.
     You aren't looking at it in the right way.  Of course there's an upside; for AT&T.  It's another way to attempt and fail to justify their decision, and make it sound like a good thing for most people.

     You are right though, that there's no upside for regular, normal people.


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said by 88615298:


So the FCC wants to take away free OTA TV
from these very same poor folk and give it to these at&t idiots so they can charge these poor folks outrageous fees for "broadband" that is limited to 2 GB a month?
Gov't regulations usual result.
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88615298
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said by FFH5:

said by 88615298:


So the FCC wants to take away free OTA TV
from these very same poor folk and give it to these at&t idiots so they can charge these poor folks outrageous fees for "broadband" that is limited to 2 GB a month?
Gov't regulations usual result.
Not that at&t and Verizon's throwing money to pro-wireless politicians of both parties has any influence did it?


bionicRod
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Re: and they want to allow this behaviour to invest and run ISPS

said by 33358088:

and they want to allow this behavior to invest and run ISPS in canada.

I SAY NO WAY HOSE ( a minority name in no way meant to impail any racist view nor does the site the occupants or my underpants have anything to do with this view )
"Hose" is not a minority name...it's what you attach to your water supply outside to water the lawn

And what a bunch of BS. AT&T only gets away with stuff like this because almost nobody pays attention. Great job bbr, but your reporting only serves to raise the blood pressure of your readers as it seems no one else cares.


mcfrisch
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Not Surprising...

Bandwidth Cap and Trade!


woody7
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hmmm,

W hat about the Govt. subsidies etc, how do we recoup that? Universal service fee comes to mind.
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reply to jjoshua

Re: So let me get this straight

Guess I don't understand

Are they essentially saying that all people are entitled to Broadband?

33358088
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Re: and they want to allow this behaviour to invest and run ISPS

said by bionicRod:

said by 33358088:

and they want to allow this behavior to invest and run ISPS in canada.

I SAY NO WAY HOSE ( a minority name in no way meant to impail any racist view nor does the site the occupants or my underpants have anything to do with this view )
"Hose" is not a minority name...it's what you attach to your water supply outside to water the lawn

And what a bunch of BS. AT&T only gets away with stuff like this because almost nobody pays attention. Great job bbr, but your reporting only serves to raise the blood pressure of your readers as it seems no one else cares.
nice start nit picking it was meant a humor ...please for the love of god someone create a saracsm tag....

33358088
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so AT&T discriminates against everyone but minorites?

S this what AT&T is saying?
SO they'll screw majority people to help minority....
I last checked we all still live in somehting screwed up called a democracy.....

WHAT someone needs ot do is go find some of "minority" grandmothers who can also tell AT&T where to stick it.


88615298
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Re: Huh?

said by Ben:

At this point, the only people who don't have broadband are those who don't want it for whatever reason (a very small number that grows smaller every day), or can't get it at a reasonable cost, which is the case in many rural communities.
Oh you mean like my county which half the population can't get it? Considering we're in at&t territory I'm not seeing how these caps are going to all of sudden encourage them to build out their DSL footprint. They don't even bother to offer 3G here. So I call bullshit on at&t.


Murdoc
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You can' get any dumber then this!

They must really believe what their shoveling! Apparently bandwidth comes from the same place as oil does


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reply to bionicRod

Re: and they want to allow this behaviour to invest and run ISPS

said by bionicRod:
"Hose" is not a minority name...it's what you attach to your water supply outside to water the lawn

Or what AT&T is attempting to do . . . "hose" their customers.

Kearnstd
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Re: So let me get this straight

Click for full size
Today alone
no not that anybody would ever use more then 2gb.....
but this is today already so far with just a high quality internet radio stream going+an upload to my web host.
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expert007

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Re: and they want to allow this behaviour to invest and run ISPS

Of course, he could have meant "Hoser" as in the Canadian slang version...


Camaro
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And if this is true

I am the freaking muffin man.

jimhsu

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A fix

Simple FTC fix? Index all overage charges to a national "bandwidth price index" - something like the CPI, but accounting for the cost of wholesale Tier 1 bandwidth plus amortized infrastructure costs. After all, heavy bandwidth users "cost more" for the ISP, according to them. Sure, call the CPI inaccurate, but it is at least correct to an order of magnitude, unlike current overage charges (seriously, 10$/GB is supposed to be AFFORDABLE?) If the overage charge is significantly above the BPI, the customer has the right to refuse to pay the stated overages.

I guarantee you'll see the cap+penalty plans disappear tomorrow.

PS As for the entire issue, I am much more in favor of bandwidth throttling to "gov't mandated broadband" (i.e. 768 kbps, but this will get bumped up) rather than transfer caps.

PS Wikipedia currently lists the total cost per gigabyte as approx. $0.10/GB (»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband_···t_access). That includes, of course, 80-90% fixed costs as well. That's a reasonable position to start from.

hawgcaller

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It's called the free market - you don't have to buy it

No one is forcing you to pay for service. If you don't like the rates AT&T charges then don't use AT&T or don't use data services. There are other options.

antidelldude

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Bandwidth is getting cheaper

In the face of rising bandwidth demand and the rising cost to accommodate it, the flat-fee pricing approach will perpetuate digital divides based on income, race, and ethnicity.
This made me break out in laughter and sadness at the same time. Laughter for it not being true, sadness for 99% of the people reading it that think its true. If anything, the cost to deliver bandwidth has gone DOWN in price, and will continue to go down in price.

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Stupidity at its finest.

When a company plays the "race" card, you know they are worthless.


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Are there any carriers left

Who provide flat-rate data billing on phones, and who are likely to maintain that billing model for some time to come? Carriers servicing the North East?
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Re: It's called the free market - you don't have to buy it

said by hawgcaller:

No one is forcing you to pay for service. If you don't like the rates AT&T charges then don't use AT&T or don't use data services. There are other options.
True. I'll be showing my displeasure with AT&T's new pricing structure by leaving.
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Z80A
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Note to the dummies

Digital socialism won't work either.


Z80A
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Re: hmmm,

There is no such thing as a "Gov't" subsidies. Those would be TAXPAYER subsidies.