  n2jtx
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| Nickname My sister lives in Mississauga and they have Rogers. They don't call it "Robbers" for nothing. It is a nickname well earned. I am very glad I do not have to deal with a Canadian ISP. I would lose it.
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| | | | Re: Nickname Unfortunately if you get Teksavvy cable, in the end money is still being paid to Rogers.. | |
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Montreal, QC
kudos:16 | Re: Nickname It is, but at least TekSavvy was able to negotiate a deal that allows you to get reasonably priced 200GB capped cable or unlimited cable, even if it's Rogers providing the physical line. If you ignore all the "I don't like this because so-and-so is involved" stuff and just go based on getting the best bang for your buck, that's a pretty good deal all things considered.
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join:2003-01-21
Seattle, WA | Caps like this will fuel development of incredibly efficient codecs that will make the size of deliverables relatively trivial.
In the meantime, Netflix's Chief Product Officer Neil Hunt , poor guy, thinks that bandwidth will increase in the future which will allow his firm to deliver pristine quality goods over residential pipes.
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Today we have rights to deliver about 400 streams in HD (720p). More titles will be added over time. We experimented with first-generation WMV3 encodes at 4000kbps and 5500kbps, but settled on second-generation HD encodes with VC1AP at 2600kbps and 3800kbps, which extends their accessibility down to lower home broadband connections. As with SD, encodes of film material are at 24fps, and encodes of shot-to-video material are at 30fps (or 25fps for PAL), rather than the 60fps that would come from a Blu-ray disc - we judged the 60fps content as too expensive of bandwidth for now. In general, these encodes are definitively better than SD, but won't challenge well-executed Blu-ray encodes - that would require a bitrate out of reach for most domestic broadband today. We believe Moore's law will drive home broadband higher and higher enabling full 1080p60 encodes in a few years.
»blog.netflix.com/2008/11/encodin···ing.html
Yeah, maybe one or two movies a year, if you do it in little monthly chunks. | |
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At the best case of 2600kbps, you'd be able to watch almost 13.5 hours of Netflix streaming content per month if you were a Rogers Lite user and nearly 71.7 hours of Netflix streaming content if you were an Extreme user.
This might sound like a lot, but that's without any other network activity. Plus, even absent any other network activity, that's only 2 hours per day on the Extreme plan or 27 minutes per day on the Lite plan.
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1 edit | Excellent ! Following the quest of companies to "enhance customers experience" this is an excellent step. Being raped by such practices is certainly an "experience".
Things have to get worse in order for people to blow up and kick the asses of these greedy companies.
Now, let's wait for the shills coming to the defense of these practices and the moderators coming in the defense of the shills with the lame ass "blatant flaming" or "off-topic" or, my favourite, "complaints about moderation not allowed". | |
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| | | Re: Excellent ! said by WernerSchutz:Now, let's wait for the shills coming to the defense of these practices and the moderators coming in the defense of the shills with the lame ass "blatant flaming" or "off-topic" or, my favourite, "complaints about moderation not allowed". So I'm not the only one who finds the moderations annoying. | |
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2 edits | Re: Excellent ! said by sonicmerlin 
So I'm not the only one who finds the moderations annoying.
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join:2002-04-30
Brooklyn, NY | Unbelievable... Rogers, seeing that regulators are completely flaccid and lax, have taken the ball and are running with it.
What's to stop them from dropping Lite users to 10GB? | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Unbelievable... Nothing. | |
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| | | | Re: Unbelievable... Funny how the same exact thing can stop ISPs in the states from setting low caps. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Unbelievable... Meh, in the States if they set caps too low competition will come along and snap up some customers. or customers will complain very loudly, and senators will take the cause of the customer to get reelected. | |
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| | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Apparently Canada's government doesn't see this as a problem.. if they did, they'd do something about it.
I have many friends up in Canada and talk to them daily. What I gather from them is that "the internet" as a source of entertainment isn't that big of a deal. I know of a lot of people in MY circle that are far more busy being outside, active, and not sitting in front of their computers or TV's feverishly finding everything they can to download on the net.
Sure, there are going to be those that do, but I just don't get that impression.
Makes me wonder if all the sympathetic American's here are imposing their own woes onto Canadians where it may be that the majority of people there probably don't care. This can be the same thing as how Americans look at Korea for their awesome fiber network and often forget the rest of their living conditions and financial make up.
I think that if Canadian citizens were that upset about this, they'd be be up in arms with their government to stop this from happening.
Meanwhile, Canadians can buy their own cable boxes.. we can't.
The thing I find the hardest to stomach is when people in the U.S. try to impose our "feelings" and ways of life on to other countries and what goes on there.. for all we know, most Canadians really don't care - maybe they'd rather turn on cable or satellite to get TV and don't need the internet for that.
Sometimes I wish the people in the U.S. would mind their own business - would probably make things in the world just slightly less chaotic sometimes. | |
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Johnson City, TN | Re: Unbelievable... You know what's hard for me to stomach? When people make sweeping generalizations based on their own, limited experiences.  | |
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kudos:3 | Re: Unbelievable... said by Tsume:You know what's hard for me to stomach? When people make sweeping generalizations based on their own, limited experiences. It also turns my stomach when people don't read posts.. otherwise, you'd not call it a generalized statement... and um, you know nothing of my experiences to call it "limited"...
take a little of your own medicine, k? | |
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join:2004-02-23
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2 edits | Re: Unbelievable... said by fiberguy:said by Tsume:You know what's hard for me to stomach? When people make sweeping generalizations based on their own, limited experiences. It also turns my stomach when people don't read posts.. otherwise, you'd not call it a generalized statement... and um, you know nothing of my experiences to call it "limited"... take a little of your own medicine, k? Please go back and read your post. You cannot possibly believe that saying "I wish the people in the U.S. would mind their own business" and "Canada's government doesn't see this as a problem.. if they did, they'd do something about it." are not uneducated, generalized statements. They are.
Edit: I referred to your experiences as "limited" based on the ignorant statements made and views expressed in your post. Just so you know where that came from. You're correct in stating that I know nothing of your actual experience. I can only infer based on what you post. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: Unbelievable... I love how you left off the word "apparently" when you quoted me... nice try.
And me wishing American's would mind their own business is very valid and MY opinion - don't like it, move on. But flaming me over it won't fly. It DOES bother me because it's a well known opinion felt world wide where the United States does try to push it's own values on to others. We, in the U.S., don't like that women don't have the same rights as men, in some countries, and we want that changed.. the bottom line is that THEIR culture.. as much as we may not like it, who are WE to change their ways... and by force sometimes. If you can't understand what I'm saying, then you won't get anything I'm saying because it confirms to me that you DO believe in imposing your views on to others.. in fact, that's what many people do here on BBR all the time. The ONLY view that matters is the collective's here which doesn't always represent the views of the rest of us. Just because you think it's "the best way" as is often said doesn't mean its the right way. And yet, people here want their views to be "THE" predominant view because it's right and works for you.
You also think my views are ignorant.. maybe I think yours is idiotic, but I don't feel compelled to tell you that do I? .. again, you just drive the point home when I say that people feel the need to impose their views on others. I do believe I have the right to say my mind here and did.. so who are you to jump all over me and add NOTHING to the conversation other than "blatantly flaming" me?
If you're going to feel empowered to judge me by a single line posted on a forum, do yourself a favor and don't.. it's not possible to be empowered enough to judge someone from so little.. so next time, save us both time and just move on. I'm told that many times here by the shadow covered moderators.. maybe that's some good advice for you too. | |
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| Re: Unbelievable... said by fiberguy:whole bunch of ignorant statements regarding America, Americans, and me Look pal, I'm not here to flame or troll you. I'm just trying to drive home the point that just because some may think the Canadian govt would be all over this IF they saw it were a problem does not actually mean this is the case. There are a plethora of cases where there have been actual problems and the appropriate government, while aware of them, did not act. This happens world wide. This can be due to the fact that the problem is too politically volatile to tackle, too difficult to overcome with the current state of affairs, or any reason really.
Not all Americans want to impose their will or their views on other countries, and I dare say the vast majority fall in to the category of those who don't. Debate is part of posting your opinions on the Internet my friend, and I would certainly never ask anyone to save their time and move on as opposed to letting me know what they think. | |
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| Have you been living under a rock for the last few years?
Go check out the Teksavvy forum, go read some of the threads on what Bell is trying to impose and how many people are upset about it. Talk to me after you do that.
Seriously man, I know where you are coming from, but you need to take a peak out of your own little world and you will see what's going on. Sure, you can make Americans out to be the worst people in the world who do nothing but terrorize other nations, that's fine go ahead.
Just don't throw me in that category, because I'm the complete opposite as are many on this forum and out in the world that don't comply with your ignorant standard.
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kudos:3 | Re: Unbelievable... You know NOTHING about me to make those kinds of statements.. but thank you. I don't live in MY small little world.. I'm much more far reaching that you give me credit for. You also really don't understand how to have a conversation on a text based message board where you don't get the full extent.. so you can save your assuming for someone else because it's not welcome with me.
The only ignorant standards are yours.. and to be honest, the last time I used the term "ignorant" I was "warned by a moderator for blatant flaming" so we'll use your post as a test to see if the forum and the operators are as open minded as you imply to be or as closed minded as you accuse me to be.. we'll use this as a test to prove the obvious bias here.
But anyway.. my ONLY well known fact around here is that I believe people are responsible for their own decisions and government isn't the solution to people's problems.. sorry to say, but the younger generations seem to think it is because they don't want to work even HALF has hard like their parents and grandparents did... it's a generation of lazy ass "want it all's" that think they have a right to everything with out working for it and that they HAVE an inherit right TO have everything, which they don't.
My statement still stands.. the views of the United States are that of the United States, and YES, we have a very bad habit of spreading across the world and imposing OUR views and lifestyle on to others.. I'm sure that other countries want our bankrupt economy, right? We've proven that our current government of the last 50 years is totally inept.
So then tell me the simple answer.. why do Canadians let their government run all over them? .. because it sure seems like they stand back and don't pressure their own.. this seems to be a problem that's been running out of hand for some time now, and there's no reason for it.. other than maybe Canadians don't seem to have a problem with it happening to them, which says a lot. | |
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Mississauga, ON | Re: Unbelievable... he wasn't even replying to you..
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| talz13
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Avon Lake, OH | And ultra-lite users ($27.99 tier) get 2GB a month!
Strange, I didn't see on their site that that would only net you 3 SD quality movies per month. | |
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join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5 | Like I said in the forum.. Hell will freeze over and Ted Rogers (deceased company founder) will come back to life as a robot before we see high caps and 75 Mbps. | |
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join:2000-10-04
Glen Allen, VA | Wow... Man.... Those caps are downright hilarious... Well, for those of us who don't have Rogers. 
Why do people put up with that? It seems that market is prime ground for a crafty entrepreneur to come in and offer a better product. It's not like the bar has been set high at all, so pretty much a fart would put you ahead of Rogers. | |
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join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY Reviews:
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| Re: Wow... said by R4M0N:It seems that market is prime ground for a crafty entrepreneur to come in and offer a better product. It's not like the bar has been set high at all, so pretty much a fart would put you ahead of Rogers. Canada has foreign ownership restrictions. As such, all investment would most likely have to come from inside Canada unless said investors were willing to take a minority stake and have no control. I have no desire to put money into an operation where I have no say.
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| | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Re: Wow... You DO have say... it's your right to put money into it and make a return, or you pull out and sell off.
In a way, I agree with what Canada does... maybe Canada likes to be owned by Canada and not be the big ol' US of A which is owned by a lot of foreign country's interests.
The US decided to put up the old' "for sale" sign years ago.. | |
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|  Al3sinthTrippin'Premium
join:2003-07-08
Charleston, WV | wow 15gb cap.. I hit that in about an hour. | |
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join:2000-12-09
Willoughby, OH Reviews:
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| Re: Wow... said by Al3sinth:wow 15gb cap.. I hit that in about an hour.
How much porn can you view | |
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Or wait, not even a 720p blu-ray movie...
I hate when they use absurd comparisons to how much a cap is.
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join:2002-11-17
cloud 9 | Squashing competition. I don't claim to know, because its Canada, and I simply don't care, but I suspect that governmental interference is keeping the competition out.
That's just how it usually works.
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| | Rogers also wants way more then bell for the TV setup boxes Rogers also wants way more then bell and others for the TV setup boxes.
$500 for HD DVR 20/h boxes? $250 for HD only boxes? | |
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| Re: Rogers also wants way more then bell for the TV setup boxes said by Joe12345678:Rogers also wants way more then bell and others for the TV setup boxes. $500 for HD DVR 20/h boxes? $250 for HD only boxes? Other than for IPTV service, Bell's prices for their boxes are in line with that. Rogers ones also routinely go on sale, Bell's rarely do (other than new customer service credit being advertised as a discount on the box). Shaw Direct is also in the same price area. Can't speak for non-Rogers cable companies though. | |
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| | | | Re: Rogers also wants way more then bell for the TV setup boxes said by bt:Other than for IPTV service, Bell's prices for their boxes are in line with that. Rogers ones also routinely go on sale, Bell's rarely do (other than new customer service credit being advertised as a discount on the box). Shaw Direct is also in the same price area. Can't speak for non-Rogers cable companies though. A Bell HD box is $99 and an HD PVR is $199 right now. That may be a "sale" price, but that also blows your whole "they never go on sale" theory out of the water, too.
The bill credit for new subscribers on the box is an addition $50 on top of those prices I listed above or something like that, so it ends up being $50/$150. | |
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join:2007-01-03
Chatham, ON
kudos:2 | 640k Is more than anybody will ever need. | |
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| Gami00
join:2010-03-11
Mississauga, ON | Re: 640k is that Dollars? a year?
I'll agree with the above. | |
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join:2009-06-15
START&Cogeco
kudos:6 | Re: 640k I always believed that the 640K saying was coined by an exec at IBM (also at around 1981), but hey, can anyone remember any IBM execs' names ? | |
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
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| Not surprising... While I agree that those caps are pretty ridiculous, it's not a mystery why they're making their economy and super-economy tiers seem less attractive. Households who use their internet very heavily can't cheap out and get the $30 (or whatever the cheap tier is) for "just a little slower, yet unlimited" access.
If ISPs are determined to go down this cap road, at the very least they should be scaling the caps to reward people who are willing to pay a premium for more Mbps to support their heavy use. | |
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| | | Re: Not surprising... said by jester121:While I agree that those caps are pretty ridiculous, it's not a mystery why they're making their economy and super-economy tiers seem less attractive. Households who use their internet very heavily can't cheap out and get the $30 (or whatever the cheap tier is) for "just a little slower, yet unlimited" access. If ISPs are determined to go down this cap road, at the very least they should be scaling the caps to reward people who are willing to pay a premium for more Mbps to support their heavy use. Cable companies have 80% profit margins. Even at $30/month they'd be making a healthy profit. On average a GB costs them between 3-7 cents. | |
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| | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Re: Not surprising... said by sonicmerlin:said by jester121:While I agree that those caps are pretty ridiculous, it's not a .. Cable companies have 80% profit margins. Even at $30/month they'd be making a healthy profit. On average a GB costs them between 3-7 cents. what source are you quoting? | |
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| | | | | Re: Not surprising... Roger's own corprate website broke down their profits. It was all over the news up here last year (I left Rogers for a time but due to restrictve practices I eventually returned for lack of a reasonable alternative.)
Unfortunately I can't find the document, but during a time of unprecedented profit (they had made the most profit in their history as a company and only their print division was not showing year over year profit,) they were complaining that they didn't want to pass on profit to local broadcasters which they carried and made a profit from despite being available over the air free because "it would cause them to loose massive amounts of money" so they passed it on to consumers. Also they took so long to move to the latest docsys update because of "cost" knowing people in NOC I know for a fact the only cost would have been a couple hours over time as the hardware was ready it was just a simple update.
Rogers is all that is wrong with corporate greed sadly it's main competition Bell is not much better. I wish I still had that document, and believe me, I'm a former employee of Rogers who left due to being unwilling to lie to customers so I speak with first hand knowledge that this company is raking in the cash and bilking customers. | |
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Lake Zurich, IL | You make up over 90% of the statistics you quote, right on the spot.
See what I did there? | |
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The end result is a spineless, impotent regulator who cares more about appeasing the big telcos than looking out for the interests of Canadians. Robbers/Bellus gets to do pretty much what it wants and we subscribers take it up the pooper.
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 Simba7I Void Warranties
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Billings, MT | Rogers getting their cap ideas from.. at&t? 2GB a month is all we'll ever need.. If people go over, we'll (over)charge them to the point of bankruptcy.
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Mississauga, ON | Re: Rogers getting their cap ideas from.. at&t? they are partnered with AT&T to provide wireless when rogers' users are in the states. | |
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Calgary, AB
kudos:1 | Rogers != Canada Just because Rogers is lowering their caps, doesn't mean it's Canadian ISP's. It's a single ISP of many up here.
Shaw just *increased* their cap:
»Re: Wish Shaw would increase their High-Speed Lite monthly limit
And hasn't charged overages (yet) that I've heard (and is supported in this recent thread: »Cost per Gigabyte? )
There are quite a few smaller ISP's that also either have an "unlimited" tier or don't have tiers. (Teksavvy for example) | |
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| Re: Rogers != Canada said by stolen:Just because Rogers is lowering their caps, doesn't mean it's Canadian ISP's. It's a single ISP of many up here. Shaw just *increased* their cap: » Re: Wish Shaw would increase their High-Speed Lite monthly limitAnd hasn't charged overages (yet) that I've heard (and is supported in this recent thread: » Cost per Gigabyte? ) There are quite a few smaller ISP's that also either have an "unlimited" tier or don't have tiers. (Teksavvy for example) Except Canada is pretty much a duopoly for internet. The DSL vs. the Cable company. In Ontario is bell vs. rogers. In the west is Telus vs. Shaw. Yes there are resellers, but recent CRTC rulings is making it very difficult for resellers to offered alternative services (IE bell was allowed the throttle teksavvy customers and impose usage restrictions).
Luckily I'm on telus, who seem to be pretty lax with the caps, but I'd hate to be living in Ontario. Bell vs. Rogers or a crippled teksavvy? (except where teksavvy now offeres cable internet). Not alot of options. you can go to acanac but I think there speeds are slow? | |
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| Re: Rogers != Canada said by zod5000:said by stolen:Just because Rogers is lowering their caps, doesn't mean it's Canadian ISP's. It's a single ISP of many up here. Shaw just *increased* their cap: » Re: Wish Shaw would increase their High-Speed Lite monthly limitAnd hasn't charged overages (yet) that I've heard (and is supported in this recent thread: » Cost per Gigabyte? ) There are quite a few smaller ISP's that also either have an "unlimited" tier or don't have tiers. (Teksavvy for example) Except Canada is pretty much a duopoly for internet. The DSL vs. the Cable company. In Ontario is bell vs. rogers. In the west is Telus vs. Shaw. Yes there are resellers, but recent CRTC rulings is making it very difficult for resellers to offered alternative services (IE bell was allowed the throttle teksavvy customers and impose usage restrictions). Luckily I'm on telus, who seem to be pretty lax with the caps, but I'd hate to be living in Ontario. Bell vs. Rogers or a crippled teksavvy? (except where teksavvy now offeres cable internet). Not alot of options. you can go to acanac but I think there speeds are slow? Depends on where you are in Ontario. I'm on 20Mbit ADSL2+, no cap.
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Most caps now, with the higher speeds, can be hit within a day or two if you try hard enough.
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| Re: Disgusting. said by Pashune:That's what these new caps are. The previous ones were just bland... but these just make me sick to my stomach. Excuse me while I hug my CableOne bill.  Dear God, I feel sorry for you guys on Robber's. Here's hoping Teksavvy becomes more and more available to Robber's customers. Not sure about your's but the part of Gautier I am in, Cable One goes out every time it rains
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1 edit | Doubt it's because of Netflix I still really, REALLY doubt this has anything to do with the Netflix announcement. If it were, I don't think we would have seen these changes being live in less than 48 hours from said announcement.
I think it's far more likely that this is "just" a regular screw-the-customer change, without Netflix being even a remote factor in the decision making behind this change. Rogers has more than enough disdain for their customers to make this change without having to add in a conspiracy theory.
Though I will admit that picturing this decision being made with the type of boardroom scene you'd see with Dr Evil in Austin Powers is far more amusing.
Edit: Not that I'm saying that this makes their actions any better - the end result is still the same either way. I just don't think Netflix was a reason they considered. | |
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| fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | Re: Doubt it's because of Netflix I have to agree with you.
I doubt that an ISP is going to revamp its whole model over NetFlix alone anyway.. they have many other reasons, what ever they may be, to pull something like this.
On the surface, it's pretty clear that it gets cheaper to provider internet as time goes on, so on the surface, such a major drop in the caps is just not logical.
Second, it's a pretty well established notion that cable operators aren't able to do ANYTHING that quickly -so it's likely that this was already in the works for a while now. | |
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 newviewEx .. Ex .. ExactlyPremium
join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD
kudos:1
·Vonage
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| The FCC needs to look at this trend I realize this is a Canadian ISP here, but the FCC needs to look at these recent trends and expand their definition of what constitutes Broadband Service in the United States. Download and upload speeds are only part of what people buy broadband for, and ISPs are now setting caps that totally negate the value of higher tier services, all the while marketing the high speeds without revealing the low caps except in small print or hidden in the AUP/TOS.
If caps are going to exist, which it looks like they are, then I'd like to at least see a data cap under which an ISP's service CANNOT be advertised as Broadband, along with a minimum upload and download speeds.
I'd hate to see home broadband service degenerate into a clone of mobile phone access with ridiculous data caps and exorbitant overage fees. | |
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ErikRP
join:2004-11-06
Winnipeg, MB Reviews:
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|  Time For a Protest
I suggest every last Rogers customer, even if they only use 1GB/month, send an email complaining about this to both Rogers, the CRTC, and their MP. I'd hate other ISPs to think that if Rogers can get away with it, they should try, too.
Rogers tends to lead - downward - and for the sake of all Canadians it should be nipped in the bud. | |
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| | Yak Just switched from Robbers to Yak last month.
crappier speed.
crappy tech support.
crappy installation.
loving the unlimited bandwidth.
just DIE Robbers, DIE....
oh my thats abit harsh. | |
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join:2010-07-05
North York, ON | Re: Yak Teksavvy has better speed and VERY GOOD tech support.
I recommend the switch!
As far as the whole rogers thing goes, I was a customer of theirs for years and when they started capping I found Teksavvy and NEVER looked back! | |
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Canadian laws written for big business. Unless the law in Canada has changed an employee of a company cannot leave an employer and open a competitive business for one year after they leave. The founders of Mitel a Canadian Company that manufactures telephone systems, manufactured lawn mowers for at least a year after the company opened. They then began offering PABX Systems.
