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Comments on news posted 2010-09-07 14:59:08: A new report from Analysys Mason argues that telcos considering fiber to the home should instead take a conservative approach and explore technologies allowing them to nurse last-mile copper (aka VDSL2) instead. ..

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daisyshuttle

join:2010-09-02

RE Analysys Mason: Copper's Good enough

I do not know Copper, thanks for provide this information that give me some knowledge.
daisyshuttle

join:2010-09-02

Re: Copper's Good enough

I do not know Copper, thanks for provide this information that give me some knowledge. May be it is too dear. Can somebody provide some cheaper one? Thanks.
qworster

join:2001-11-25
Bryn Mawr, PA
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Something the lot of you aren't thinking about...

...short distance high speed wireless...

I'm sure that AT&T is thinking about it, which is why all those V-Rads are so big. Fiber to the neighborhood and then short range high speed wireless to the home! THAT'S the future!!

The bottom line is this: The single highest cost of FiOS, cable, etc. is the home install (aka: the truck roll). For Verizon to put FiOS in here would require them to run almost 300 feet of fiber-THEN they would still have to wire my house. How many hundreds of dollars would THAT cost them up front?

What if they simply had to ship boxes to me pre-configured and then I could plug them into my TV and computer and have them work? That's what wireless to the home from the neighborhood fiber can do. And if I move down the street or across town? One phone call and the boxes move with me-and just work when I get there. The frequencies can literally be re-used a few blocks away.
scross

join:2002-09-13
Cordova, TN

Re: Something the lot of you aren't thinking about...

This is precisely my line of thinking, as I mentioned earlier. It seems to make a lot of sense from a technology perspective, especially if the unit could act as a mini-cell tower (the home units could also act as micro-cell towers, for that matter). But I could also see them running into a lot of non-technical obstacles - zoning restrictions, neighborhood association restrictions, unfounded (?) complaints from neighbors about how "that wireless is making me sick", and so on.
Cloneman

join:2002-08-29
Montreal

vdsl2

vdsl2 is a legitamate substitute for next gen broadband, at least in terms of what it's potential is.

Home users don't need more than 5mbps upstream....
Bob61571

join:2008-08-08
Washington, IL
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How does Rupert Wood explain ...

the hundreds of small independent telcos that are installing FTTH throughout rural US? Everyone realizes that copper POTS must be replaced with fiber. The only questions are how, and when?

It might be that these companies are frequently privately held, and do not have publicly traded stock. Different animal than big public telcos.

see this from the FTTH Council on how many small telcos have already installed FTTH(and how many want to !!)
»www.ftthcouncil.org/en/newsroom/···iber-net

Oh, and does Wood understand Moore's Law and its implication for the cost of technology? We have decades of experience with it. Also, I remember tech guys telling me in the mid 70's that fiber was the next great tech innovation, and to invest in it.
kmcheng

join:2002-02-12
Elmhurst, NY
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the ultimate problem is ALWAYS bandwidth

I ain't too much worried about "too much bandwidth" and no way to use them.
Don't kid yourself, there will only be the issue of not enough bandwidth to use. If they provide 10, 20, 30mb and up download, there will be features and software that have a good use of it, download an upload alike.
I don't know what kind of "future" this analysis talks about, but the need for more bandwidth will ONLY be increasing, and increasing fast. Consider just a 1min full HD video is already 100MB is size.

Dutch

@direct-adsl.nl

Analysys Mason looks at it as a shareholder

"Phone companies that decide to not pay begin upgrading to last mile fiber now will wind up simply paying later, and potentially in more ways than one."

Correct conclusion of the author and this is exactly what is currently happening in The Netherlands with a 100% coax covering by the monopolistic cable companies. Current speed is up to 120 Mbps over coax (shared) and KPN is loosing customers with ADSL/VDSL. The focus on shareholder value resulted in delayed investments in the past years. Blame it on the CEO that is now leaving with his options and bonus...
sbcretired

join:2006-01-07
Scottville, MI

Re: Analysys Mason looks at it as a shareholder

Ok, I am retired. But I dont care how I get my HS internet or TV. But I have a budget. $40 mo tv, $30 HS internet. Thats tops.
I will take what I get for that price. Raise the price too high, and I disconnect.
jwichman

join:2008-04-28
Emden, MO
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Re: Analysys Mason looks at it as a shareholder

said by sbcretired:

Ok, I am retired. But I dont care how I get my HS internet or TV. But I have a budget. $40 mo tv, $30 HS internet. Thats tops.
I will take what I get for that price. Raise the price too high, and I disconnect.
Yep. I agree with that.

I imagine that most telcos would be leery of FTTP after all of the companies - especially in metropolitan areas went wild and laid fiber for ATM and whatever else people were going to be using and didn't.
I imagine there's still - if not a glut - at least a fair bit of dark fiber laying around. And people think they're going to run it to every house?

Only way I see that happening is it they roll up the copper at the same time and sell it. If copper prices go way up!

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