  BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | copper=fiber? That's like telling you a horse and buggy is basically the same thing as a car. | |
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|  HB
@adelphia.net | Horse and buggy worked for hundreds of years why change? Change is scarry (and expensive) and cars are works of witchcraft  | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: copper=fiber? said by HB :Horse and buggy worked for hundreds of years why change? Change is scarry (and expensive) and cars are works of witchcraft Cars were made by the devil to test your faith in God. | |
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| | | | | Re: copper=fiber? I see god every time I drive my AMG C63  | |
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join:2010-08-10
Aromas, CA | Re: copper=fiber? ehhh. I guess cars make the man. | |
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join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR | Re: copper=fiber? quote:
Frontier doesn't offer fiber to the home anywhere, outside of the 100,000 or so Verizon FiOS customers they acquired in the Pacific Northwest
Frontier says that's a lie in their follow-up response:
We do offer Fiber-to-the-Home or premise in cases of businesses in a number of our communities. Prior to the acquisition close we had about 10,000 locations with FTTH capabilities in the 8 West Region states we serve. We offer high speed internet and voice services over the network under our Frontier brand name. In all our new neighborhood development projects (green field locations) we build with FTTH capabilities. ... Here are a few examples that are both suburban markets like Beaverton and Hillsboro and very rural markets like some of the communities in Eastern Oregon and along Hwy 101. Communities with FTTH: Elk Grove, CA; outside of Minneapolis, MN; Mohave County Arizona (Bullhead, Lake Havasu, Kingman) and White Mountains Arizona (Show Low, Arizona) and some very rural locations like Williams, CA; Myrtle Creek, OR; Cave Junction, OR (one of first FTTH neighborhoods was in Cave Junction 3.5 years ago); Palo Cedro, CA and Patterson, CA. | |
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| | | |  spewakR.I.P DadkinsPremium
join:2001-08-07
Elk Grove, CA
kudos:1 | Lucky... | |
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| | NormanSPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
kudos:4 | said by HB :
Change is scarry ...
It is also rather scary.
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| |  R4M0NBrazilian Soccer Ownz Joo
join:2000-10-04
Glen Allen, VA | Re: copper=fiber? Everyone can... as long as they have a can of flammable liquid and a match....
Please get the horse off the buggy before burning it out though. | |
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|  RacerbobPremium
join:2001-06-24
Webster, NY | Re: No surprise What an idiot. | |
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2 edits | She's clueless-that's all. It's obvious that she's (yet) another CEO that has no clue what her company actually does...
The problem is that these days she's becoming the RULE, not the exception!
Take the head of a food company and make him the head of Home Depot, a building supplies company. When he fails miserably, give him a 25 million dollar golden parachute and watch him become head of Chrysler, a car company. What do food, building supplies and cars have in common?
Him-and nothing! | |
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| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: She's clueless-that's all. said by qworster:Take the head of a food company and make him the head of Home Depot, a building supplies company. When he fails miserably, give him a 25 million dollar golden parachute and watch him become head of Chrysler, a car company. What do food, building supplies and cars have in common? Him-and nothing! CEOs are bought for their connections, its a pure PR job to the Govt and shareholders, and for making corporate partnerships on the golf field. | |
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| | KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: She's clueless-that's all. said by patcat88:said by qworster:Take the head of a food company and make him the head of Home Depot, a building supplies company. When he fails miserably, give him a 25 million dollar golden parachute and watch him become head of Chrysler, a car company. What do food, building supplies and cars have in common? Him-and nothing! CEOs are bought for their connections, its a pure PR job to the Govt and shareholders, and for making corporate partnerships on the golf field. and someone to leave to the lions when the company does something horribly wrong. the shareholders and the board can just chuck the CEO to the Hungry Lions(news media) if they need. Maybe even urge the CEO to "Step Down"(ie self fired for good PR).
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| NormanSPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
kudos:4 | Maybe they can put Maggie in charge of Chrysler? She wouldn't be the first telco CEO to run a car company!
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| | AT&T does the same thing Their reps advertise uverse as fiber when they make sales calls. | |
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|  FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium
join:2005-03-19 | Re: AT&T does the same thing don't even put u-verse in the same category as any product offered by frontier. | |
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| | spewakR.I.P DadkinsPremium
join:2001-08-07
Elk Grove, CA
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Re: AT&T does the same thing said by FBGuy:don't even put u-verse in the same category as any product offered by frontier. True that Hoff! True that! Have another beer for that comment!
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|  ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4 | The only thing there is there are some areas that Uverse is doing FTTH, but the speeds are the same. | |
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| | | | Re: AT&T does the same thing Yes, they cap FTTH users at VDSL speeds to create a "consistent user experience." | |
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| | | | | Re: AT&T does the same thing said by Karl Bode:Yes, they cap FTTH users at VDSL speeds to create a "consistent user experience." From what I've been reading, most U-verse FTTH users actually get slower speeds than those who are on FTTN and close to the VRAD. AT&T's excuse for that is they have so many types of FTTH equipment, they haven't been able to upgrade it to support the higher speeds.
Leave it to AT&T...
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| Re: AT&T does the same thing All spin with lame excuses because they do not want to put the time and money into properly provisioning or upgrading their networks ... I know this from being a former employee of several telecoms.
As for AT&T's U-verser service, it is not actually a FTTH since no fiber optics actually reach the customer's premise. All fiber terminates at a nearby RT that then uses good `ol copper pairs to reach the customer. Fiber optic based cable service is the same, fiber to the local hub which then relies on coax to the customer.
FIOS is still the only true FTTH consumer grade fiber optic service currently available.
Most broadband services use freely use FFTH or FTTP for consumer services because they have not been challenged legal in court yet for false or misleading advertising. | |
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join:2010-03-26
kudos:3 | said by Karl Bode:to create a "consistent user experience." That was exactly the excuse twelve years ago AT&T (when it was PacBell) gave when they started using PPoE connectoids (that looked like a dial-up connection) for their DSL. | |
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|  alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA | Corporate America has gone through different generations of management, and Schools of Thought. I always thought for Tech Companies Upper Management should have a thorough understanding of their Product to succeed. Of course Upper Management makes all the decisions, and when the experts are gone the failures just magnify. | |
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join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA | Well... Maybe not ALL the way to the home, geez.  | |
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| | make the company go broke dont' wan't the product or service, don't buy it.. simplest way to get rid of the company for something better. a 100% market share to the competitor will do that nicely. | |
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| | | Re: make the company go broke said by tmc8080:dont' wan't the product or service, don't buy it.. simplest way to get rid of the company for something better. a 100% market share to the competitor will do that nicely. IF the consumer has another option.
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| | | yah that makes sense because their an ILEC and they won't go anywhere except become someone else or get $$$. | |
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| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Aslong as Frontier is the only source of the mystical "T1", it will make money hand over fist. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Comcast
| Frontier has the capacity to *not* screw this up Bonded ADSL2+ can push speeds far in excess of 15 Mbps. Try 30-40 on short loops; CenturyLink does 15-25 Mbps on their bonded ADSL2+ service. Add 1 Mbps of upload speed to that and you're competitive with the local cableco as long as your price below their DOCSIS 3 tiers.
Willing to spend a bit more? Do bonded VDSL2 in town. Call it a "beta" so users aren't as mad when they find out that they can't get VDSL2 service...and charge $200 for setup...but offer customers 50/20 speeds, which shouldn't be too terribly hard over two distinct VDSL loops at ~2500 feet, assuming the wire is good. | |
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join:2003-03-23
New Orleans, LA
kudos:2 | . quote:
We don't call it FiOS. We call it high-speed Internet.
Dee dee dee | |
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join:2000-08-16
East Puddle | wait! it's not Lisa Hook? | |
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| Bell's Fibe is far worse. Look this instance is a 1 time comment from a typical ignorant ceo who has no clue what his company is doing. Hardly surprising.
Bell Canada on the otherhand trademarked FIBE in the direct intention of making people think it's fibre. Perhaps even a slight attempt at making people who speak about fibre to look a little foolish?
FIBRE ROCKS!
Why do you add an R to Bell Canada's Fibe?
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 TamaraBQuestion The Current ParadigmPremium
join:2000-11-08
Da Bronx | Wilderotter is correct Ancient (very ancient) copper Telco wiring is wrapped with cotton fiber. She didn't say "optical fiber" now did she.
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1 edit | Re: Wilderotter is correct Nice
Almost peed my pants... um not | |
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| | Doublespeak Was Wildesnotter ever a politician? She certainly has the jive to be one. | |
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| frontier has to do something to keep customers from switchin Frontier can't just stand pat and think people will take 1.5 down and like it when comcast offers 6,8,12,16,22 and 50 mbps plus 100+ hd channels in MOST markets.
Fios offers none of that in MOST markets and I don't count satellite because frontier doesn't own directv or dish network.
I am actually hoping they go the route of att and offer uverse since I KNOW they don't want to spend the money on Fiber to the Home. | |
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join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC
1 edit | Yes Please DSL would be a dream for many of the customers Frontier acquired. My mom lives in WV, she said they were working on the junction box up the highway (Verizon never worked on anything out there unless forced). Dare I hope they are putting in a DSLAM? Nah, no way.
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| | | Yeah, Frontier owns the lines out here too. Still no DSL to speak of, and I've seen no trucks of theirs at all. It's never going to happen.
No cable either! | |
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| | Thief company stealing terms We like to pretend to be anything... | |
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| | Price Hikes They are hiding those behind "we don't offer that same service." I was on VZ dry loop and was on the 3M/768k plan for $28 per month. In comes Frontier and they say, "well, we don't offer dry loop, but if you take basic home phone service we can bundle that with DSL and drop your speed to 1.5M then charge you $58 total with taxes and fees!" Awesome deal! I almost lost control of my bladder it was so great. Needless to say, I am now a Suddenlink customer and getting 10M/1M for $30 bundled with my cable service. | |
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| | Uhm... "Oh, nonsense. We deploy fiber to the home all across the country. We don't call it FiOS"
I guess that's why they buy Google Ads that promise "FiOS From Frontier Comm." | |
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join:2009-04-29
Cortland, NY | For the record U-Verse sales lies the same way. I wanted fast connection when I called ATT and they told me they could offer me U-Verse. I told them i didn't want DSL. They told me I was wrong and that U-Verse was fiber. Fiber to the CO/RT and VRAD pretty much the same thing....
U-Verse is VDSL....so tell me how that isn't DSL? | |
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join:2001-01-25
Mechanicsville, VA | Just like their digital voice... Their website claims that POTS lines are digital. As all they advertise is "Digital voice" service. No digital at all across that last mile to the CO.
These folks need a good investigation from the FTC. | |
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|  rcdaileyDragoonflyPremium
join:2005-03-29
Rialto, CA
1 edit | Re: Just like their digital voice... Well, if the telephones you connect to the line have push buttons and you use your fingers (digits) to press those buttons, then they are "digital" in nature.
Oh, wait, if you have a dial phone that you use your finger to dial, then that's digital, too.
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| | | said by ropeguru:Their website claims that POTS lines are digital. As all they advertise is "Digital voice" service. No digital at all across that last mile to the CO. These folks need a good investigation from the FTC. Well, the only part of a POTS line that is analog is the copper from you to the CO, it's coverted to digital right there in the CO, it's been this way for years.
You might as well say that DSL isn't digital either, since it is an analog carrier until it gets to your DSL modem. Or that digital cable isn't digital, because it's analog until the digital settop turns it back into 1's and 0's. | |
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| Karl, slight correction in your commentary.... "Frontier doesn't offer fiber to the home anywhere, outside of the 100,000 or so Verizon FiOS customers they acquired in the Pacific Northwest. "
They are some former Verizon FiOS customers in the Fort Wayne, Indiana area. Also, Myrtle Beach, South Carolina area has FiOS, but without the TV option.
Oh, and doesn't Frontier still call it FiOS, as of now? (But, won't they eventually change the name to something else, like FrontieriOS?) | |
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|  Smith6612Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:21 | Re: Karl, slight correction in your commentary.... I might also add, there's a user in the Frontier forum who has approached me for help with bridging an SE567 for a PS3, and he has a Frontier Fiber install (20Mbps/2Mbps speeds I believe). He was handed an Ethernet cable for his service. | |
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