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@#$@#Thanks Cheney, your twin tower blessing has truely screwed this country up in the long run |
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Really? You really believe that? There isn't much I can post to your statement that won't get deleted by a mod. |
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ropeguru Premium Member join:2001-01-25 Mechanicsville, VA |
ropeguru
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2010-Sep-27 8:45 am
And we wonder why this country is in soooo much trouble. |
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bigstick to decifal7
Anon
2010-Sep-27 9:15 am
to decifal7
nah,its ok.its dems now huh. |
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ParogadiWhat? Stop Looking At Me Like That Premium Member join:2003-03-31 Racine, WI |
to battleop
In Soviet America TV watches you.
Quick, someone hook up some leads to the founding father's graves! We just solved the energy crisis! |
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Lost my VoteIf this keeps going forward he's lost my vote. The damning thing about this is that both major parties would still force this through in the name of national security, but I can't vote for anyone who wants this in good conscience. |
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Fritz Owl
Anon
2010-Sep-27 9:04 am
VPNs One thing the government certainly cannot restrict is VPNs, lest they want to raise the ire of big business
People will simply go to offshore VPN providers there are a number of the around
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Murdoc49 Premium Member join:2009-02-08 Manitowoc, WI |
Murdoc49
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2010-Sep-27 9:17 am
Another way to silence free speech huh?Smugglers? That's the reason? Must mean to track down them free thinkers speaking out against crap like this. |
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FFH5 Premium Member join:2002-03-03 Tavistock NJ 3 edits |
FFH5
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2010-Sep-27 9:18 am
ISP's can do this - ask RIMRIM has already done the things being asked for their Blackberry phones in various countries in order to stay in business. So while some will claim technically undoable, or too costly, if mandated by gov't it can be done. Here is what is being asked for: ¶ Communications services that encrypt messages must have a way to unscramble them. ¶ Foreign-based providers that do business inside the United States must install a domestic office capable of performing intercepts. ¶ Developers of software that enables peer-to-peer communication must redesign their service to allow interception. The smaller ISP's will find it difficult but the FBI had already set aside millions to assist them for the 1994 CALEA law. This new law will just be more penalizing for non-compliance. But the requirements already exist in the law and have withstood court challenges. » www.fcc.gov/calea/ |
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RidiculousThis is pathetic, we can't get anything else done as a nation except budding into everyone's privacy. |
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hgh to decifal7
Anon
2010-Sep-27 10:17 am
to decifal7
Re: @#$@#said by decifal7:Thanks Cheney, your twin tower blessing has truely screwed this country up in the long run Actually you should thank Clinton. This isn't a Patriot Act thing it's a Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act thing. » www.askcalea.net/» en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co ··· ment_Act"We're not talking expanding authority," FBI general counsel Valerie Caproni told the Times. "We're talking about preserving our ability to execute our existing authority in order to protect the public safety and national security." Internet and phone networks are already required to have eavesdropping abilities thanks to a 1994 law called the Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act, but the mandate does not apply to communication service providers -- like Research in Motion, maker of BlackBerry devices. |
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ParogadiWhat? Stop Looking At Me Like That Premium Member join:2003-03-31 Racine, WI |
to Fritz Owl
Re: VPNsAnd when all public devices are backdoored and they force IPv6? The general public has no idea what a VPN is, and you'll be caught up for trying to Google it. |
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Murdoc49 Premium Member join:2009-02-08 Manitowoc, WI |
Murdoc49
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2010-Sep-27 9:45 am
Is there any groups out there fighting against this?Where do I find them at? And whos for this bill? |
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to Halfdead14
Re: Ridiculoussaid by Halfdead14:This is pathetic, we can't get anything else done as a nation except budding into everyone's privacy. Tongue firmly in cheek! And what are you hiding you worry about needs of privacy? I mean didn't you know that the govt analizes even the crap that is flushed down the toilet for possible leads into drug rings and other nefarious plots?! |
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dib22 join:2002-01-27 Kansas City, MO |
dib22
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2010-Sep-27 9:48 am
it's ok... they are good guys...As you know they would never bypass warrants (or general 3rd party/judicial oversight) since that's one of our rights as a citizen! ... and even if they did say for some very important reason (that they couldn't tell us)... everything would get sorted out properly... they would never grant blanket immunity for said law breakers... come on... you guys worry too much |
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encryption illegalSo PGP is now illegal just as it was 15 years ago?
I'm waiting for it to be revealed that the FBI and CIA have Verisigns and Thwate and Equifax and Geotrusts private key and can spoof anyone in the world. Also Intel has a list of all the TPM endorsement key in all the TPM chips in the world ready to be subpoenaed. |
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tiredtired99
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2010-Sep-27 10:01 am
planted traditional bugs"because smugglers used peer-to-peer software" to communicate -- forcing the agents to use traditional bugs.
So they had to get off their fat arses and get in a car and drive down to the subjects location and actually look at them and spy on them like they are supposed to do in the first place? Sounds like more fat old guys that don't want to work. Hey if we hire some of those smugglers to work in the old guys govt jobs we can pay them less and they will probably do the job as it was meant to be done instead of sitting in front of a computer all day.
If the fuzz can't tail someone successfully then the fuzz lost fair and square. That alone should be the thrill of the job for them but no they have to be control freaks these days. Gotta know everything without working hard to know it in the first place. Sounds like they have been taking some lessons from our greedy american bashing CEOs that do nothing while getting millions and keeping their job too. |
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Re: Lost my Votesaid by chimera4:If this keeps going forward he's lost my vote. The damning thing about this is that both major parties would still force this through in the name of national security, but I can't vote for anyone who wants this in good conscience. then he should have already lost your vote. Obama has not only continued the same policies Bush had in place, but has actively worked to increase the capability for illegal wiretapping. now they are using the state secrets claim to prevent any ruling on whether or not the U.S. govt can kill a U.S. citizen with no judicial process. make no mistake: there is absolutely no difference between the two administrations in this area and if anything, Obama has been more aggressive in defending and expanding executive power in the name of the 'war on terror'. this is just the latest in an ongoing process. |
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swhx7 Premium Member join:2006-07-23 Elbonia
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to decifal7
Re: @#$@#said by decifal7:Thanks Cheney, your twin tower blessing has truely screwed this country up in the long run It started with the rise of corporations in the 19th century (selling defective equipment to both sides in the civil war). Once they took over the government, we were headed for fascism. This is a late stage. |
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Re: Lost my VoteThere is some hope: » news.cnet.com/8301-31921 ··· 281.html : "a federal appeals court has ruled that encryption code is protected by the First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of speech, meaning that open-source developers may be able to continue to produce secure software." |
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koamPink Pecker Premium Member join:2000-08-16 East Puddle
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koam
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2010-Sep-27 10:41 am
Headline2 Years ago the headline here would have read "Bush & Cheney Want Easier Internet Wiretapping".
Uncle Sam is now Obama & Holder. The real Uncle Sam wouldn't go for this shit. |
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en102Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA |
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Re: @#$@#Bingo |
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Better story next time.This story sucks on dslreports, I found a couple different news websites to have more detail on this issue. |
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old_dawg"I Know Noting..." join:2001-09-22 Westminster, MD |
Hope & Change?WHAT?, Bush didn't do it? I thought this was all hope and change, stop the seas from rising, transparent gummint?. |
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N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" Guano Premium Member join:2003-11-11 Philly burbs
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N3OGH to swhx7
Premium Member
2010-Sep-27 12:24 pm
to swhx7
Re: @#$@#Blame this one, blame that one.
No wonder things are in the shitter, and circling the bowl. People fall into the political spinster's blame games and screw us while we fight out here amongst ourselves.
They all suck, people. All the politicians are out for themselves and they only care about their own families, their major contributors, and the money.
So, to blame Cheney, to blame Bush, to Blame Clinton, to blame Obama is pointless.
BLAME THEM ALL! |
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ArrayListDevOps Premium Member join:2005-03-19 Mullica Hill, NJ |
to swhx7
Re: Lost my VoteI'd like to see them stopped. If I knew how to program I'd be writing encryption software myself... regardless of what uncle sam says. |
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ultimate powerOnce G.W. Bush gave the CIA and FBI and police ultimate power after 9/11, it is something that they will never release hold of. So unless future governments openly restrict powers that the CIA and FBI were given, except the governments will then appear weak in mandating the restrictions.
So publicize the original perpetrator of the acts against law abiding people and don't make it the blame game against anyone who follows the original war monger that removed your Rights and Freedoms under the guise of your neighbor being the biggest terrorist in the world, even that she is 94 years old and white. Once your Rights and Freedoms have been taken away via "security" and "safety", it takes many years to get it back in some very small form.
Why is the digital world of communications not protected by the Law? Well actually it is. But since the wording is not exact, we are all convicted criminals, subject to monitoring at the whim of someone who doesn't care about our Rights and Freedoms. |
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dforan join:2000-12-09 Willoughby, OH |
dforan
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2010-Sep-27 1:08 pm
This might be GOOD Ha HaWhat will Uncls Sam do with all the spam.. Maybe the Uncle Sam can figure that one out HA |
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nyc guy
Anon
2010-Sep-27 1:27 pm
Encrypt it.Just start to encrypt everything, email, turn it on for P2P, whole drive encryption, etc etc. Encryption is the one thing the NSA/CIA dread, and they have tried and failed in the past to outlaw such software. It is the one thing they cant defeat on a large scale as to data mine mass amounts of info. Imaging if all traffic was encrypted, I can see there grumpy long faces now. |
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BelinrahsI have an ego the size of a small planet Premium Member join:2007-09-07 Nashville, MI
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RidiculousFull disclosure: I consider myself a Dem. However requiring all devices and services to be wiretap-ready is a bit too much and I would not be in support of that in any way! If this bill were to pass, I would say hasta la vista, "by the people, for the people" when 90%+ of the people would be strongly against such a measure. |
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