1 edit | Perhaps there really is some competition? One can only hope.. smart decision though. I hope AT&T realizes they made a blunder once all those people that would rather not worry about overages head to VZW.
EDIT * This was before the update was posted. It turns out that both ATT and VZW are going to continue scratching each other's backs. Business as usual. | |
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Fullerton, CA | Re: Perhaps there really is some competition? said by Lotheron:One can only hope.. smart decision though. I hope AT&T realizes they made a blunder once all those people that would rather not worry about overages head to VZW.
Yeah. AT&T is going to have to step up, or they'll have an exodus to deal with.
AT&T execs are probably soiling their knickers right about now. 
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kudos:2 | Re: Perhaps there really is some competition? I doubt it. Everyone, Karl included, seems to be ignoring McAdam's updated statement that this unlimited plan is an intro offer and that VZW will follow AT&T's lead shortly. | |
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| Re: Perhaps there really is some competition? said by openbox9:I doubt it. Everyone, Karl included, seems to be ignoring McAdam's updated statement that this unlimited plan is an intro offer and that VZW will follow AT&T's lead shortly.
I agree. Just like att had intro unlimited for ipad. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Perhaps there really is some competition? Unlimited data for the iPad lasted about 40 days... Before AT&T pulled the rug out from people, who in some cases hadn't even received their iPad 3G's yet. There is a class action lawsuit about this:
»www.lieffcabraser.com/cases.php?CaseID=316
Some breakthrough deal with AT&T Steve....
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kudos:1 | Most likely Verizon iPhone subs will be grand-fathered into the unlimited plan making the switch to Verizon much more attractive.
This is Verizon's version of AT&T's 'sticky' customers, unwilling to switch in fear of loosing their 'unlimited' status.
As the LTE version of the iPhone comes out next year they will be able to upgrade without loosing their 'unlimited' plan.
... it's going to be a bloodbath for AT&T. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Perhaps there really is some competition? said by etaadmin:As the LTE version of the iPhone comes out next year they will be able to upgrade without loosing their 'unlimited' plan. I definitely wouldn't bet on that. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Perhaps there really is some competition? Considering you won't see an LTE capable iPhone until summer 2012 at the earliest, you'll be waiting a while. Mark this post and I'll see you back here in another year or two | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Perhaps there really is some competition? said by openbox9:Considering you won't see an LTE capable iPhone until summer 2012 at the earliest, you'll be waiting a while. Mark this post and I'll see you back here in another year or two
Well in another year or two I'll upgrade to the LTE version in the mean time I'll have what I always wanted ... a Verizon iPhone. No problem here.
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kudos:1 | I would probably be saying the same thing had I not thrown down on a Droid Incredible last April. Now I'm locked in until December.
Come my upgrade time I will re evaluate. By then, Verizon should have several LTE phones and hopefully an LTE capable iPhone 5.
But, I'm pretty happy with my HTC phone. The battery life sucks a bag of Richards, but otherwise, it's light years from my previous handset (the dreaded Blackberry Storm).
It really is amazing to see how the technology has progressed across the past 3 years. There are so many capable handsets on so many carriers, the consumer is the winner in the end with all the choices they have.
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My belief is VZW wants the immediate push for iPhone's so they went unlimited. That will go away with LTE if that is on iPhone 5(As Rumored) come June(If VZW gets it like AT&T does Annually).
This will get many unhappy AT&T subscribers to Jump now because they have an Unlimited Option. It will also get People who wanted Unlimited when they option went away. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Perhaps there really is some competition? LTE iPhone won't arrive until summer 2012 at the earliest, but otherwise I agree. | |
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I'm with you. ANY change at all, and that deal will be history, never to repeat.
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not unless vzw can somehow magically find a way to allow data and voice on a call at the same time.
i work with about 10 people that have iphones and even though they admit that att's voice service is crap that are not willing to give up using data and voice at the same time. | |
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kudos:5 | said by openbox9:I doubt it. Everyone, Karl included, seems to be ignoring McAdam's updated statement that this unlimited plan is an intro offer and that VZW will follow AT&T's lead shortly.
The unlimited deal was probably part of the deal Verizon cut with Apple to get the iPhone. Get the fish good and hooked and then reel them in later after they are locked in to the Apple iPhone universe. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Perhaps there really is some competition? Yep, likely not much different than AT&T's iPad deal that IPPlanMan  is complaining about. | |
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Fullerton, CA | said by Linklist:Get the fish good and hooked and then reel them in later after they are locked in to the Apple iPhone universe.
Kinda like Big Tobacco.
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kudos:1 | Why the backpedaling by Verizon mere hours later on unlimited data?
This is incompetence. In some ways worse than what AT&T did with the iPad data plans...
Less than a day for them to pull the limited time only crap...
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kudos:2 | Re: Perhaps there really is some competition? It was the same guy within hours. My guess is that Cheng didn't push hard enough before the investor meeting and McAdam was able to squash the viral misinformation after the meeting concluded. | |
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| | | This is Verizon's bait and switch gimmic. Once on board they evenually will have the same caps AT&T has. Nothing is forever. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Perhaps there really is some competition? Except that now you know the caps are coming before you buy the iPhone. Kind of hard to bait and switch if the bait is known and the switch is imminent | |
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There isn't anyone at AT&T smart enough to realize anything meaningful. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Perhaps there really is some competition? And it's not a blunder if VZW follows T's lead. | |
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kudos:2 | And the update.... said by WSJ :Update: But you’d better act fast. Speaking later Tuesday morning, Mr. McAdam said the iPhone unlimited plan will be a temporary offer and that the carrier will follow AT&T’s move to tiered pricing in the not too distant future. | |
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kudos:5 | Re: And the update.... said by openbox9:said by WSJ :Update: But you’d better act fast. Speaking later Tuesday morning, Mr. McAdam said the iPhone unlimited plan will be a temporary offer and that the carrier will follow AT&T’s move to tiered pricing in the not too distant future. Yes, many have not seen the update. If you are getting a Verizon iPhone, I'd act quick if you want that unlimited plan. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: And the update.... How can they not? It was there before Karl linked to it and posted this story. I guess we see how many people base their opinions on Karl's words instead of reading the articles that he links to. | |
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kudos:5 | Re: And the update.... said by openbox9:How can they not? It was there before Karl linked to it and posted this story. I guess we see how many people base their opinions on Karl's words instead of reading the articles that he links to.
It has been my experience here that very few actually bother to read the source links. | |
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New Orleans, LA | Great job by Verizon...now I am interested to see what they do for future iPad's | |
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Nah, Verizon's feet does not look like bleeding swiss cheese. It is the consumers' pockets that do.
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The biggest owners of VZ/T debt (therefore, the ones that REALLY call the shots) are *institutional investors* (by and large, union and other pension plans, such as CalPERS). Those same pension plans need higher rates of return (due to increasing numbers of retirees) and they need them yesterday. It is precisely this sort of investor that is coining terms like *jobless recovery* and *squeezing blood from a stone*. Chances of anything realistically being done about it - none. | |
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Schaumburg, IL | Will it be Limited Unlimited But, any information on whether it will be the typical 'slow down to dial-up speeds beyond 5G' type Unlimited? | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Will it be Limited Unlimited VZW doesn't do that now, so I don't imagine you have much to worry about. | |
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kudos:1 | And if you call right now! An unlimited plan for a limited time only... Wow...  | |
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| | | Re: years and yrs said by MalibuMaxx:how about a little love for current customers locked into a contract... mmm no verizon don't care about current customers... as does the rest of the wireless providers...
I just talked to Verizon Wireless customer service, and they told me that next year when they get rid of unlimited data, people on unlimited should be grandfathered in, and when you renew (aka upgrade to a new phone) you should retain the unlimited data.
That basically means we're stuck with Verizon for the rest of our eternal lives because every other carrier will likely follow in their footsteps.  | |
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Tulsa, OK | Re: years and yrs said by wizkid6:I just talked to Verizon Wireless customer service, and they told me that next year when they get rid of unlimited data, people on unlimited should be grandfathered in, and when you renew (aka upgrade to a new phone) you should retain the unlimited data. Key word there is "should." I'd get that in writing, or you can forget about it.
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Verizon will find itself having to rescind the plan quickly.
Apparently they didn't study their main rival, or learn anything from Virgin, TMO, and Sprint.
So if you really think you want to commit to $2K-3K to switch for 24 months, do it now! Your "unlimited" phone will not break any speed records, but at least you'll be able to boast on DSLR that you're immune from overage charges. | |
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| Re: Good Luck With That! said by elray:Verizon's 3G footprint is already fairly taxed - EVDO data rates here are typically 200kbps.
Where is "around here"? I've been all over Verizon's footprint and I've NEVER seen performance that lousy except in fringe signal areas. In areas with good signal I've seen data rates that range from 800kbit/s to 2,500kbit/s.
I spent this last weekend in Manhattan where everybody claims that the network is overloaded and never saw my speed dip below 1,200kbit/s. When I was up late at night I was getting closer to 2,000kbit/s. | |
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kudos:1 | Good! My wife is currently still on the Unlimited Data plan from AT&T, as she got hers in April 2010 before the new data plans went into effect, so it will last till her contract ends in 2012.
If AT&T hasn't gone back to offering an unlimited plan, guess where we will be going to upgrade her 3GS to a 4?
(That is, if they still offer the unlimited in 2012 of course).
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Benton, AR | Re: Good! You get to keep that plan I had an iphone 3G and just upgraded to an iPhone 4 and i got to keep my unlimited. It's a case of if you change away from that plan you lose it and cant get it back but if you stay with it you get to keep it. | |
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| said by maartena:My wife is currently still on the Unlimited Data plan from AT&T, as she got hers in April 2010 before the new data plans went into effect, so it will last till her contract ends in 2012. If you are on unlimited now, you can upgrade to iphone 4 and retain the unlimited plan. I did this for my wife on her 3G to 4G phone back in August. | |
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None of that matters when you can't use your phone because you don't have RECEPTION. I live up the road from an ATT tower, and when I had one of their phones, I couldn't get reception IN MY OWN HOME. I was going to cancel, but I was begged by the store clerk to give it another chance after he upgraded me to their top of the line phone for free. I got ONE BAR, but yes, it did work. Other areas, I couldn't use the phone.
That's why I never went back to ATT. | |
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD |  Stupid iPhone Users
Had people stopped buying the iPhone once AT&T capped the data plans, then there would be no incentive for Verizon to consider capped plans which involve the iPhone.
Too bad the rest of us are going to be dragged down into capped data plan hell with them.
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| Re: Stupid iPhone Users Oh, so you are talking about consumers being united to bring about a change that will work in their favor??! Where in the world are you getting these outlandish ideas from?
Your thought process is counterproductive to the corporate monster being fed. Remember, corporations have to make money, too, even when they offer ridiculous plans. /sarcasm
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Stupid iPhone Users said by MyDogHsFleas:It's wrong for you to blame stupid iPhone users... the tiered/metered AT&T data plans (they are NOT capped) apply to all AT&T smartphones (and soon will be to Verizon too). Then why didn't Verizon go with capped plans prior to getting the iPhone?
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1 edit | iPhone and provider Competition I'm not disagreeing with anyone, just asking a question. Since Verizon has had for some time an unlimited data package for its Smart Phones like the Android X and for its feature phones too why should they charge more or change the terms for the iPhone. What they are proposing for the iPhone is what they all ready have for their other smart and feature phones.
Frankly with the development of more and more Android and other smart phones I don't see Apple being as big a player one year from now at least in terms of percentage of phones sold and used. They will still be very popular but the level of it will wane with more and better choices within the competition. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: iPhone and provider Competition said by TwighlightLA:why should they charge more or change the terms for the iPhone. It's an opportune time for VZW to dump the unlimited data tier. I'd imagine the change won't just be for the iPhone but other devices as well. VZW needs to be able to entice capped 3G users to go for larger capped 4G tiers...for a slight premium of course. There's minimal motivation for 3G users with an unlimited tier to pay more for a capped 4G tier otherwise.said by TwighlightLA:I don't see Apple being as big a player one year from now at least in terms of percentage of phones sold and used. iPhone interest was already waning, hence the need to open of the aperture from just AT&T to include VZW. | |
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Lakewood, OH | 4g Do we know what the 4g lte smartphone plans will be capped and priced at? | |
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kudos:2 | My guess for new smartphone tiers:
3G=5 GB/mth @ $30, $10/GB, or another 5 GB for $30
4G=10 GB/mth @$45, $10/GB, or another 10 GB for $45 | |
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kudos:22 | Don't underestimate AT&T Verizon should have kept its mouth shut and pretended unlimited would be available. End of story. 6 months later, they announce a free restructure and unlimited is gone. Perhaps the unlimited will be so short lived that lawyers called the Verizon COO and told him to issue a correction ASAP to prevent accusatiosn of false advertising.
However, this is good for Apple because by creating a sense of urgency, people will flock to get their iphone on day 1 because they fear if they arrive a few days later, unlimited will be gone. And long lines of people waiting to get tgheir iphones will be good publicity for Apple.
Hopefully Verizon will be prepared to handle this rush.
Don't understimate AT&T though. They may have sat on their laurels when they had the iphone monopoly, but now that it is gone, don't be surprise if they become competitive all of a sudden.
AT&T could selectively offer unlimited to customers who would otherwise have defected to Verizon.
And AT&T could actively try to send its heaviest users to Verizon. They woudl reduce the load on AT&T's network and cause congestion at Verizon.
A company that *appears* stupid can surprise a lot of people with very smart moves all of a sudden. | |
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| Re: Don't underestimate AT&T The only interesting topic post so far. Thanks jfmezei.
So, all the predictions that Verizon would save the day for unlimited 3G data plans and vanquish the evil AT&T are blowing away in a puff of smoke.
In a post after the Verizon iPhone announcement I said:
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We'll see where Verizon goes once they get millions of new iPhone users, whom AT&T found consumed data a lot more than the average "other" smartphone user. Also I'll point out that a majority of the AT&T iPhone users are still on the $30 unlimited plan.
Yes, if you're an outlier smartphone user who sucks down 12GB/month, you absolutely should try to find a provider who lets you do that on their standard plan. My guess is that in 2011 those will get increasingly hard to find. We'll see!
Looks like my guess was right.
Verizon has made an interesting move, though. They went to school on AT&T and are offering an initial unlimited plan, but unlike AT&T, are already saying it's for a limited time only. AT&T did not have to do that since they were the only game in town.
It looks like Verizon is trying to make it easy for current AT&T iPhone users to switch, especially those with a current grandfathered unlimited plan (which is the majority of iPhone subs at AT&T). Those people would see themselves downgrading for the sake of switching. This move eliminates that objection.
So, bottom line, Verizon is making a tactical move to get the biggest bang out of the early movers, but their strategic plan is exactly metered data plans, just like AT&T. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: Don't underestimate AT&T , but unlike AT&T, are already saying it's for a limited time only. AT&T did not have to do that since they were the only game in town.
You guys all giving AT&T no pass, yet Verizon some credit have to remember who it was that started the idea to start mixing up how people paid for the internet, including the whole "charging providers to send content to their customers".. I do believe it was Verizon.
Verizon is no saint of a company.. they stir the shit, sit back, wait for AT&T to make the move, capitalize on it, appear to be the savior and then wreck everyone's world.
Seriously, Verizon is just as much a piece of crap company as the next. | |
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| Re: Don't underestimate AT&T said by fiberguy:, but unlike AT&T, are already saying it's for a limited time only. AT&T did not have to do that since they were the only game in town.
So what was AT&T's "limited time"... several years?? .. your post sounds much like an entitled's way of thinking. That was my point. AT&T was entitled since they were the only game in town. Since Verizon is coming in second they can't play as many games. They are essentially riffing off AT&T, similar plans, with some twists to entice iPhone users to move to Verizon. | |
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| Lol.. I hope all isp's & cell meter their data... I already dropped cabel tv, internet. Next will be cell. Wow it will be nice to keep my money & not feed these freaking pigs anymore. Free at last free at last...
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