| Good news Hopefully this gets overturned for good. |
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 MerinXCrunching for CuresPremium
join:2011-02-03
kudos:1
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| Poor Poor von no clueinstein »www.cbc.ca/video/#/News/Politics···79545308
»www.cbc.ca/video/#/News/Politics···79426903
"They were gonna get a discounted rate by the big boys!"
15% off of a 10000% percent markup on customers that are not yours... yes that sounds fair and balanced much like fox news....
The clueless leading the blind... |
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| Walking papers... Time to fire Konrad von Finckenstein, and dissolve the CRTC. Enough is enough! |
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 Matt3All noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | reply to DataRiker
Re: Good news said by DataRiker:Hopefully this gets overturned for good.
Finally, something we agree on!
In all seriousness, I wouldn't have a problem with UBB if I had the opportunity to actually LOWER my bill when I used less. But as we all know, that's not going to happen. |
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| Hasn't a clue... Fire the whole lot of em!
These aging dinosaurs have haven't a clue on what they are doing. Does this guy look like someone that understands the needs any of the needs, wants, and expectations of the younger generations of Canadians that use and depend on the internet from day to day.
Wonder if this guy could even manage a smartphone, or how much he uses the internet himself. |
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| When you make a decision... ....you better be able to stand behind it. If you cannot or will not explain yourself, you have forfeited your right to defend yourself. |
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 Chris 313Come get somePremium
join:2004-07-18
Houma, LA
·Comcast
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Re: Good news said by Matt3:said by DataRiker:Hopefully this gets overturned for good.
Finally, something we agree on! In all seriousness, I wouldn't have a problem with UBB if I had the opportunity to actually LOWER my bill when I used less. But as we all know, that's not going to happen. Ha! You're right. UBB is nothing more then a money grab. They want their cake and it eat it too. While we, the consumer, take one to the shorts. I'm glad to see that like what happened in the US, the unhappy canadians made a ton of noise over this. |
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| Konrad Konrad doesn't know the first thing about computers or internet, why is he the person making ANY decisions regarding them.. It makes no sense! |
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| So how many megahertz and gigasmurfs are we allowed to download now Konrad Mein Führer? |
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 TigerLordResident pentaxianPremium,Mod
join:2002-06-09
Canada
kudos:6
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| Let me restate: ordinary users should not be forced to... bend over and take it up?
If you didn't want ordinary users to subsidize the heavy users, Bell would have dropped Internet prices so compensate for the lowering of the cap, and kept prices identical for the same cap so heavy users could use the Internet properly.
You are full of shit Finckenstein. Not only were you unable to answer the most basic questions thoroughly (such as why Bell had opted for such low caps when other countries' were so much bigger, to which you answered 'I don't know, you'd have to ask Bell).
Here's a hint, you moronic waste of taxpayer dollars: if you're the director of a commission that just passed a controversial bill and you are asked to go defend it in front of an oversight committee, you need to be prepared so you don't look like a moronic waste of taxpayer dollar.
You were obviously ignorant of the technicalities and reasons behind UBB, and you managed to convince this entire country of your uselessness.
Congratulations, I firmly believe you gave the opposing side all the ammo it needed to showcase your relevance to the World. NONE! |
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 JfromKProblem
join:2010-10-30
Cobourg, ON
kudos:1 | FAIR Market Value on Bandwidth! How many times will the CRTC and Bell compare the use of bandwidth to that of other common utilities such has hydro? They compare it time and time again saying it's fair. Pay for what you use..
YET!, If you paid $2.00 per kWh you would be PISSED OFF!
WHY!, can they get away with charging us upwards of $2 a Gigabyte when it's value is somewhere under 10¢ per gig.
FAIR MARKET VALUE, PEOPLE!
(Yes I'm an agitated Canadian)
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Atragon
join:2004-05-16
Gloucester, ON | Not quite the case... As we've noted countless times, while you certainly could have an ISP design new usage-based pricing that's fair and offers value, we haven't seen any ISPs do so yet. The pricing models we've seen emerge in Canada with the CRTC's blessing aren't designed to save light users money, as even the lowest, cheapest tiers result in significant and confusing penalties for even the lightest of use (say one HD film of the new baby for grandma). You don't reign in the use of a tiny percentage of your userbase by imposing severe penalties on the entire userbase. We've also yet to see any ISP offer raw financial or congestion data supporting the need for this pricing instead of flat-rate pricing or even straight and reasonable caps/throttling.
I'd like to take slight issue with this statement, it seems to imply that the CRTC is allowing ISPs to implement UBB-based pricing schemes, and that no ISPs have chosen to implement a fair scheme.
This isn't quite the case, the CRTC has mandated that all ISPs who are paying bell for access to their wholesale services must also pay Bell based on an absurdly priced UBB model per user, and thus the small independent ISPs seem to have had no choice but to implement a pricing scheme that nearly mirrors Bell's own retail prices.
Frankly, I'm disgusted that the CRTC allowed this to pass. |
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Re: Hasn't a clue... the guy has no clue about life period, let alone the Internet! |
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 GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:20 | reply to JfromK
Re: FAIR Market Value on Bandwidth! It's like when people say "But shouldn't people who use more pay more?" and I answer "Maybe, but Bell's prices are like paying $200 a litre for gasoline."
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 LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | reply to Speed bot
Re: Walking papers... said by Speed bot:Time to fire Konrad von Finckenstein, and dissolve the CRTC. Enough is enough!
The problem with independent gov't agencies is that they become independent of those who created them. I am naturally antagonistic to all gov't regulation. But when pols get lazy and turn loose a regulator without specific detailed rules the results are usually the worst. So, end the CRTC altogether or at least cut their independence and make them more directly responsible to the voters by proscribing their powers. |
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| I Want TO ASK BELL, TELUS, SHAW, ROGERS I WANT TO ASK BELL, TELUS, SHAW, ROGERS
when is digital going to get cheaper? as stated way back
if i recall going digital is Cheaper was one of the selling points of Broadband Internet all 4 advertised. |
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 n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY | I'd Be Annoyed Too Heck if I had to explain to politicians why I was helping my friends out and gouging people in the process, I'd be annoyed too. He really needs to tell the Canadian government to STFU and let him continue to be a servant to the companies that pay him. After all, he has to think about a future job in the private sector working for one of these companies he is so richly providing for now.
(Disclaimer: this is sarcasm for those who are humor impaired)
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| O noes Someone got caught with his hand in the cookie jar stealing cookies for bell... |
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Re: I Want TO ASK BELL, TELUS, SHAW, ROGERS I have a good laugh when I hear some of the local radio stations and TV commercials saying that Bell has the "Best network in Canada"
Rest assured, Bell, Shaw, and Rogers all say they have the best network in Canada, which is why usage based billing is so attractive to them.
How will customers ever get by knowing how they're the best unless they all charge the most. I mean really just sending them money for nothing is a privilege in itself. |
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a1_AndyPremium
join:2005-12-29
Oshawa, ON Reviews:
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Re: FAIR Market Value on Bandwidth! Its less than $0.01 per GB to $0.04 per GB for transport, example if your ISP pays for its own transit (A internet wholesaler) it would cost $0.01 a full GB for transport over bells (rented) portion of the last mile monopoly. So $2.00 would be a 200x mark up, now lets say your utility raised your prices by 200% a kw. People would freak, Keep comparing it to utility's KvF maybe we can have bell governed as a utility.
The $0.04 A GB is transport if the ISP is a Bell 'reseller' and buys its Internet connection from bell (as we know bell charges more).
Under the utility scenario it would be $50 hookup $2.00 Monthly line maintenance fee, $2 Monthly network upgrade Fee and $1 monthly modem rental. so $5 a month for internet connection add $3 for 300 GB (or $12 at the $0.04 price for 300 GB).
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