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Where is you god now wimax shills?Wimax is dead as a consumer grade mobile wireless internet standard. Its number 1 poster boy Sprint even admits it now. Its been a while since the wimax shills have been here. Wheres my cornfield wimax Clear? |
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Satellites?Im havent heard of this lightsquared that much, But the article menitons satellites. How does this work? Wont this have really bad latency? |
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My understanding is it's simply for the voice component in some rural markets. Satellite integration was required as part of conditions attached to the spectrum Lightsquared is using, though they recently got some FCC leniency on those requirements I'm still reading through... |
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As far as I remember their plan was to use satellite link for hard-to-reach rural places, where getting fiber to the tower is impossible. |
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said by Karl Bode:My understanding is it's simply for the voice component in some rural markets. Which rules it out for low latency internet access. Lightsquared's salient selling point is to eliminate the need for terrestrial upstream backhauls (PtP microwave or fiber) from the tower sites. |
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Sprint/Tmobile merger rumor is back» online.wsj.com/article/S ··· news_wsjIt's inevitable this will happen whether in 1 or 5 years if they are to compete with ATT/VZW. Sprint has to go to LTE eventually anyway - they and Tmob may as well do it together with some financial backing from DT - if the feds allow it. |
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2011-Mar-8 12:32 pm
Sprint Liberates Their 4G From ClearwireHow might this affect happy Sprint 4G WiMax subscribers like me? |
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Re: Where is you god now wimax shills?I'm still here as a WiMAX proponent. It's inevitable Sprint will have to go LTE as LTE is for the telcom industry. That hardly means WiMAX is dead as it's deployed all over the world and has better chance for global roaming.
Both will exist just as cable modem and dsl co-exist. The industries will use what is available to them. The telcom industry will use LTE, the rest who want to get into wireless will use WiMAX so that they aren't controlled by 3GPP.
Is odd that many actually want WiMAX to die. LTE is controlled by the authoritarian telcom industry - you sure you want that as the only option? |
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Re: Sprint Liberates Their 4G From ClearwireYou shouldn't notice much. The build will take time, Sprint will operate Mobile WiMax and LTE In conjunction for a while, slowly migrating people to LTE modems and smartphones. |
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GlenQuagmireGiggidy Giggidy Giggidy Goo Premium Member join:2004-02-16 Grand Rapids, MI
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WiMAXDoes Wimax really have a future. If I remember correctly some Wimax towers can be converted to LTE by just a software upgrade. |
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2011-Mar-8 12:43 pm
Still crappy frequencyI believe Lightsquared is using almost same crappy frequency range as Clear (~2.5GHz +/-) with hardly any indoor coverage so really whats the huge difference WiMax or LTE especially in coverage (most critical). Wouldn't be easier (cheaper) to switch Clear's network to LTE since they already have so much deployed rather than build a new network?
Although the thought of having additional Satellite coverage is really cool idea, I think it's just a scam to use those freqs. Even if they ever deploy a satellite, it will have capacity to cover probably 0.01% of users directly so it may be useless. Indoor coverage is critical as most people do not work in tents in open fields here in the US :P
But really, how difficult is it to make phones and devices capable of dual mode WiMax and LTE to have both? Just like the CDMA/GSM garbage ...The technologhy is there but very few phones will have both built in (Droid2 Global, etc) - why not do it for ALL phones? |
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Re: Sprint Liberates Their 4G From ClearwireIt will take several years. When it's ready perhaps they'll allow upgrades before contract expires. They allow annual upgrades already. Sprint/Tmob might merge by then as well. |
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Re: Where is you god now wimax shills?With Sprint likely migrating to LTE, I doubt mobile WiMAX has much of a future in the US. Worldwide roaming won't get you much for WiMAX in a few years because I doubt you'll find (m)any handsets with WiMAX radios if you're native to the US.
It's not so much as looking forward to WiMAX's demise, rather it's a sense of being grounded in reality. |
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I would agree that WiMAX in handsets do not have a future (unless embedded in WiFi chipsets). WiMAX as a whole will still probably be around globally long term though, including the US - but not via the traditional telcom companies. |
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Re: Sprint Liberates Their 4G From Clearwiresaid by Karl Bode:You shouldn't notice much. The build will take time, Sprint will operate Mobile WiMax and LTE In conjunction for a while, slowly migrating people to LTE modems and smartphones. Most people replace their smartphones every couple years anyway. So even if you pop for a Sprint Wimax phone now, you can switch to an LTE smartphone in 2 yrs when Sprint will be getting LTE coverage everywhere. |
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Re: Sprint/Tmobile merger rumor is backsaid by xenophon:they and Tmob may as well do it together This is getting really confusing, or perhaps I'm just being dumb. Karl's scoop is that Sprint has launched Project Freedom, which will be Sprint's "liberation" from Clearwire. But this Wall Street Journal article is saying that the Sprint-T-Mobile merger will INCLUDE Clearwire. WTF???!!! |
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Re: Sprint Liberates Their 4G From ClearwireThanks to Karl, Uncle Sam and Xenophon for their reassuring words; I appreciate it! |
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Re: Sprint/Tmobile merger rumor is backLightsquared using Sprint's network retrofit as the cornerstone of their LTE build is our scoop. Having Lightsquared as a major LTE partner could involve getting rid of Clearwire. Sprint's preparing for that possibility. The Journal story simply states there have been talks about merging T-Mobile and Sprint, which I think have been ongoing for some time (see this bit I wrote last summer). It also says the deal "could" include Clearwire, but that talks have been ongoing and nothing is happening right now. Nobody knows what happens to Clearwire amidst all this movement yet. |
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2011-Mar-8 1:32 pm
Thanks for dissecting the two takes on the situation. I appreciate the clarification. |
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said by Karl Bode:Nobody knows what happens to Clearwire amidst all this movement yet. Drowning under increasing debt load? Sprint is/was Clear's savior. If it leaves the partnership, and Clear isn't part of whatever M&A that occurs, one can almost certainly throw Clear to the history books. |
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That's my guess too, but you never know....there's some big cable names riding on that network for their "quadruple play," so a few things could happen... |
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Re: Still crappy frequencyNo, no and no. LightSquared has claim to L-Band frequencies. Supposedly some of these are in the 1400Mhz, 1600Mhz, and 2000Mhz bands. It is also stated all over the place that LightSquared's potential use of some of these frequencies could cause significant interference with GPS. There is a very likely possibility that the LightSquared network will never be built if some way to mitigate the interference isn't found.
Partnering with Sprint on modernizing their base stations, using Sprint's spectrum and maybe even Clearwire's (if you believe one poster on this forum who claims Sprint can simply take back their spectrum that was given to Clearwire whenever they want) is a HUGE HEDGE against not being able to build your own cellular network. Mix Sprint (and Clearwire) spectrum in with whatever frequencies you find that don't interfere with GPS on a single tower... now what do you have here? A whole lot of wireless bandwith, and it will be LTE to boot. |
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Re: Sprint/Tmobile merger rumor is backCorrect me if I'm wrong, but haven't those quadruple plays been fairly lackluster at best? I would expect a bigger advantage lies with partnering with a conglomerate including Lightsquare, and its rumored increasing backing, rather than going down with a sinking ship. |
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Re: Still crappy frequencysaid by cruz1 :But really, how difficult is it to make phones and devices capable of dual mode WiMax and LTE to have both? Just like the CDMA/GSM garbage ...The technologhy is there but very few phones will have both built in (Droid2 Global, etc) - why not do it for ALL phones? Size, weight, heat, power consumption, and cost are the main reasons I can think of. Consumers don't want any of those and therefore it is advantageous for equipment designers/manufacturers to streamline as much as possible. |
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Re: Sprint/Tmobile merger rumor is backYeah, not great returns so far. True. I'm sure the cable operators who have fielded re-branded Mobile WiMax are watching the next six months with great interest. |
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LTE is not nirvanaWhat most people don't realize is that LTE is not some kind of nirvana where everything is compatible. There are actually two LTE standards, LTE FDD and LTE TDD. Verizon, AT&T and MetroPCS are all using LTE FDD. Clear, on the other hand would most likely go with LTE TDD (also known as TD-LTE) because it is more compatible with the 2.5 GHz frequencies they own. TDD is time division duplex, the same technology that WiMax uses. In a way you could say that WiMax is closer to being compatible to the LTE that Clear will use than what Verizon is rolling out. It would be easier for a chip to support both TD-LTE and WiMax than Verizons LTE and WiMax. » www.radio-electronics.co ··· plex.php |
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Re: Where is you god now wimax shills?WiMax will be around. How do you think most Wireless providers are pushing faster speeds to their customers? There is actually a national WiMax provider that has been in business LONG before Clear/Sprint pushing the technology. Here is their website: » www.openrangecomm.com/De ··· ult.aspxnow tell me the technology is dead. |
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2011-Mar-8 3:17 pm
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Re: Satellites?they don't have to totally use the sat for Internet. They can easily create a LTE network for that just as Clear does using a home base modem. |
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2011-Mar-8 3:18 pm
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Re: Sprint/Tmobile merger rumor is backSprint would have to be "purchased" by TMO before DT would even give any money. They'll want controlling interest in that company. They're not stupid.
And there is really nothing stopping them from doing it now. Hell - look at a LOT of the US operating companies. They're mostly foreign owned- Lego is one of them. Their based in Denmark and still owned by the family that created them. |
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This would be a GREAT thing for TWC, Comcast and Cox to all purchase long with Google. Google would be able to launch their "open" network and offer it to resellers. Comcast has invested a lot along with the others. There is no way in hell Comcast will let their money go no where. This would also be a great way for any rural telco to move to. A total IP network and kill the last mile copper. would be a great move with backups. Run Internet and Phone without a problem. |
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