| Inexpensive and no ads... Of course they are winning...
Too bad most ISPs are trying to squeeze consumers from every angle... |
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| Squeeze is putting it diplomatically, I think I'd use gouge. Regardless, you're right. This is what consumers want,which means we won't get it. Funny how competition in a different form gets crushed with the help of the people crying for innovation.
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| Ads... Those ads are what pay for those movies and television shows... especially the television shows. |
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| And that obscene $80+ fee every single subscriber pays for cable TV every month is all for nothing, right? |
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 WiseOldNerdDe gustibus non est disputandumPremium
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TV yes---MOVIES NO! |
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Netflix should put ads and work a deal with big wiggs.
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| Netflix Isn't the Problem Look, Netflix isn't losing money, and their investors seem quite content. People are voting with their dollars and choosing Netflix, should we really be surprised? When it comes to technology companies, I don't think any company is as universally admired as Netflix. I've never heard a single complaint about them. Ever.
Netflix is largely competing with the premium movie channels, moreso than the cable networks. It's the HBO/Showtime/Starz/Cinemax of the world that are going to need to adjust their pricing models or go to entirely original programming, dropping movies. Why is any rational consumer going to pay more for linear channels with limited offerings, few HD titles (Even World-of-More Comcast systems in MD have just HBO, Starz, Cinemax, Showtime, Encore in HD), and limited on-demand selections? In addition, video enthusiasts will point out that some of these premium channels reject the original aspect ratios, causing picture loss even with HD signals. The response for these companies instead of protecting themselves against Netflix should be to find a better way to compete. That's the free market at work, right? The fall is inevitable. Netflix is acquiring their content legally, and putting up barriers to that is not changing anything for the MPAA. DVD sales are stagnant to declining still, and customers are willing to wait.
Disney, Bravo, MSG among others started as premium channels. Maybe it's time to change the model for the premium networks to survive. Granted, as a fan of many HBO and Showtime shows, I think this could be a problem for the type of show they produce as well as the writing quality, but perhaps that isn't feasible in today's marketplace. The response we're seeing with UBB doesn't do anything but serve to anger consumers.
If the ISP's and the MPAA conspire to kill Netflix, this will not build them goodwill. Customers will revolt and won't come running back to inflated prices for these premium services or to line up to buy the DVD's. |
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join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
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| Netflix has other issues coming up Such as how it's going to continue to license its streaming content.
When Netflix began to offer streaming movies as part of its online rental plan back in 2008, most people didn't seem to care much. In the intervening three years, however, streaming popularity exploded -- thanks to the proliferation of set-top boxes, multimedia phones and video game systems that could be used to view the content from the comfort of a couch (or pretty much anywhere with a smartphone) without waiting for a disc to arrive in the mail. As many as 5 million subscribers now stream their content instead of using the more traditional mail-order service.
When Netflix made their streaming deals with the studios back in 2008-2009, they were all made for a three-year period. The first wave of those partnerships expires later this year, and it's safe to say that Netflix will not be getting a sweetheart deal this time around. Studios like Starz want "pricing parity" in a new contract, which means Netflix will be paying what the pay-TV networks are charged to air the same titles. To put it in perspective, Netflix got the Starz streaming deal for $30 million. Epstein explains this was 1/20th of what someone like HBO pays. When this math is factored into all of the Netflix studio deals, it means the company is looking at paying over half a billion dollars more per year for the right to stream movies. »blog.moviefone.com/2011/03/15/ne···ntracts/ |
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| Caps will help hurt netflix AT&T is getting ready to do their part by capping |
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Re: Inexpensive and no ads... ISP's will do all they can to squeeze us now.We must all write to our elected yet corrupt reps for help we know we will never get |
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Re: Ads... That $80+ is ALSO for the cable company that pays for the channels and maintains their network. Ads are the big cash cow for television series though. |
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 BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | reply to 45612019
said by 45612019:And that obscene $80+ fee every single subscriber pays for cable TV every month is all for nothing, right?
the money from the commericals goes to the networks producing the shows. The cable companies get ZILCH of that money. Your monthly subscriptions pays so the cable company can be allows to offer you those networks. For example abut $6 of your bill goes fopr ESPN and ESPN 2 and you cable company has no chocie but to take ESPN 2 if they want to offer ESPN. Sure your cable company could refuse to pay that $6 and pass the savings on to you but then at least half their cusotmers would leave for satellite or FioS or U-verse then your cable company would probably go out of business. |
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1 edit | The net in netflix is here! Physical media is a thing of the past. It is like playing a game of a disk instead of your hard drive. We are moving to a disc-less world which is good considering the amount of waste in packaging and transport alone. Heck i would not be shocked if the next consoles are run from a cloud over IP from say microsofts HQ where they can control all the hardware and software. This would save vast amounts of costs they would not have to waste merely building an install base, not to mention the sheer amount of time a console sits unused. Innovations like these are what will be stifled not just netflix growth.
Its time for content creators to embrace the netflix model or face the fact that people will just take the content via streaming BT etc and you will make less potential profits. The netflix styled IPVOD on demand model is the only way to compete with free.... Nobody wants to sign up for fail catalogs on multiple services this is why all the crappy music services from each crappy label failed and itunes won. Instead of bogarting content like comcast will likely do in favor of its own inferior VOD service like hulu plus(pft ads when your paying nice forward thinking in net2.0 age)
UBB isn't about network congestion, it's about netflix prevention.
Also making ISPs the middle man for providing what major retailers no longer waste space on since steam/online retail and such have grown so popular. |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to espaeth
Re: Netflix has other issues coming up the more content Netflix gets the more subscibers it will get. Netlfix will have to charge more and most people are willing to pay a little more for more content. Also eventually Netflix will offer content owners more money than they can refuse. |
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to BF69
Re: Ads... said by BF69:said by 45612019:And that obscene $80+ fee every single subscriber pays for cable TV every month is all for nothing, right?
the money from the commericals goes to the networks producing the shows. The cable companies get ZILCH of that money. Your monthly subscriptions pays so the cable company can be allows to offer you those networks. For example abut $6 of your bill goes fopr ESPN and ESPN 2 and you cable company has no chocie but to take ESPN 2 if they want to offer ESPN. Sure your cable company could refuse to pay that $6 and pass the savings on to you but then at least half their cusotmers would leave for satellite or FioS or U-verse then your cable company would probably go out of business. and due to who owns ESPN and ESPN 2, they have to be on a fairly basic package if the video provider wants to carry other channels owned by the Disney Group.
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BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | said by Kearnstd:said by BF69:said by 45612019:And that obscene $80+ fee every single subscriber pays for cable TV every month is all for nothing, right?
the money from the commericals goes to the networks producing the shows. The cable companies get ZILCH of that money. Your monthly subscriptions pays so the cable company can be allows to offer you those networks. For example abut $6 of your bill goes fopr ESPN and ESPN 2 and you cable company has no chocie but to take ESPN 2 if they want to offer ESPN. Sure your cable company could refuse to pay that $6 and pass the savings on to you but then at least half their cusotmers would leave for satellite or FioS or U-verse then your cable company would probably go out of business. and due to who owns ESPN and ESPN 2, they have to be on a fairly basic package if the video provider wants to carry other channels owned by the Disney Group. Yeah and......? |
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espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
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Re: The net in netflix is here! said by MerinX:UBB isn't about network congestion, it's about netflix prevention. Netflix' own traffic volume is going to be partially responsible for Netflix prevention.
Netflix instant accounts for 20 percent of all non-mobile internet use during prime time in the United States, according to a new study.
Streaming media — real-time entertainment — accounts for 43% of peak period traffic in the U.S., according to Sandvine, which helps ISPs manage their networks and thus has access to buckets of information about usage patterns.
But Netflix alone accounts for nearly half of that between 8 and 10 p.m., and that usage comes from only 1.8 percent of the service’s subscribers. Bolding is mine. Source: »www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/10/···ith-use/
Netflix has 16 million total subscribers, so that means that about 288,000 folks streaming from Netflix are driving 20% of Internet bandwidth consumption on a nightly basis in the US. It's not hard to see why providers are getting more serious about UBB when they're starting to hit that "We're going to need a bigger boat" moment of recognition of just what they're up against. |
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Longport, NJ
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Re: Netflix has other issues coming up said by BF69:the more content Netflix gets the more subscibers it will get. Netlfix will have to charge more
And I think they will lose subscribers when their prices double. I know they will lose me.
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to espaeth
Re: The net in netflix is here! said by espaeth:said by MerinX:UBB isn't about network congestion, it's about netflix prevention. Netflix' own traffic volume is going to be partially responsible for Netflix prevention. Netflix instant accounts for 20 percent of all non-mobile internet use during prime time in the United States, according to a new study.
Streaming media — real-time entertainment — accounts for 43% of peak period traffic in the U.S., according to Sandvine, which helps ISPs manage their networks and thus has access to buckets of information about usage patterns.
But Netflix alone accounts for nearly half of that between 8 and 10 p.m., and that usage comes from only 1.8 percent of the service’s subscribers. Bolding is mine. Source: »www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/10/···ith-use/Netflix has 16 million total subscribers, so that means that about 288,000 folks streaming from Netflix are driving 20% of Internet bandwidth consumption on a nightly basis in the US. It's not hard to see why providers are getting more serious about UBB when they're starting to hit that "We're going to need a bigger boat" moment of recognition of just what they're up against. numbers are funny. they can say whatever you want them to. 20% of bandwidth consumption is NOT the same as 20% of internet CAPACITY.
If me and a friend are eating pizza at Pizza Hut and I eat 6 pieces and he eats 2. I am consuming 75% of the pizza. However I am not consuming 75% of the pizza that the Pizza Hut has available. |
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